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Rui and Vincent for Wiggins

Lakers are reportedly interested, apparently they see Wiggins as helping them this season. The Heat free up salary next summer, getting two expirings.

Isn't Wiggins expiring as well?

ReggiesKnicks wrote:Isn't Wiggins expiring as well?

no he has a PO

ReggiesKnicks wrote:Isn't Wiggins expiring as well?

No, he has an additional year.

As for the trade, it's light in value. LA has to add

Expiring probably all be interesting in sending for Wiggins. Lakers really don’t have any seconds.

I like it for the Lakers.

Is Rui not considered as good or better than current Wiggins?

zimpy27 wrote:Is Rui not considered as good or better than current Wiggins?

wiggins is more sought after archtype (guard multiple position/perimeter defender)

Godaddycurse wrote:

zimpy27 wrote:Is Rui not considered as good or better than current Wiggins?

wiggins is more sought after archtype (guard multiple position/perimeter defender)

But then the cost and years?

Feels close to me. I'd be more comfortable giving Gabe+Kleber+Knecht+Milton with some picks if it helps.

zimpy27 wrote:Is Rui not considered as good or better than current Wiggins?

By what metric ? Wiggins the better player in both ends of the court.

Easy yes for LA and could also see why MIA might consider

BBallFreak wrote:

ReggiesKnicks wrote:Isn't Wiggins expiring as well?

No, he has an additional year.

As for the trade, it's light in value. LA has to add

I looked on spotrac, It says Wiggins has +4 year $26.2mil ish?

If Lakers do this trade Rui + for Wiggins, they better be looking for centers afterwards lols.

kobe_vs_jordan wrote:

zimpy27 wrote:Is Rui not considered as good or better than current Wiggins?

By what metric ? Wiggins the better player in both ends of the court.

Scoring efficiency strongly favours Rui


Rui has had 110 TS+ in playoffs and last 2 seasons RS has been 107 TS+
Wiggins has been 98 TS+ in RS and 94 TS+ in playoffs.

Wiggins is a more versatile defender but much prefer Rui offensively.

zimpy27 wrote:

kobe_vs_jordan wrote:

zimpy27 wrote:Is Rui not considered as good or better than current Wiggins?

By what metric ? Wiggins the better player in both ends of the court.

Scoring efficiency strongly favours Rui


Rui has had 110 TS+ in playoffs and last 2 seasons RS has been 107 TS+
Wiggins has been 98 TS+ in RS and 94 TS+ in playoffs.

Wiggins is a more versatile defender but much prefer Rui offensively.

Rui take 10 shots a game playing next to LeBron with an extremely high assisted shot percentage . He should be efficient lol

Wiggins biggest downside is his contract. Think more teams would prefer a two way wing than a low volume one way player.

kobe_vs_jordan wrote:

zimpy27 wrote:

kobe_vs_jordan wrote:By what metric ? Wiggins the better player in both ends of the court.

Scoring efficiency strongly favours Rui


Rui has had 110 TS+ in playoffs and last 2 seasons RS has been 107 TS+
Wiggins has been 98 TS+ in RS and 94 TS+ in playoffs.

Wiggins is a more versatile defender but much prefer Rui offensively.

Rui take 10 shots a game playing next to LeBron with an extremely high assisted shot percentage . He should be efficient lol

Wiggins biggest downside is his contract. Think more teams would prefer a two way wing than a low volume one way player.

Right, so playing next to Curry and in the Warriors offensive system is nothing compared to the offense generated by LeBron?

I disagree, Wiggins is a poor finisher. He's always been that way.

He's a guy that you can get you below average offensive efficiency but he can get that from isolation (which has some use), his main value is his versatility.

zimpy27 wrote:

kobe_vs_jordan wrote:

zimpy27 wrote:
Scoring efficiency strongly favours Rui


Rui has had 110 TS+ in playoffs and last 2 seasons RS has been 107 TS+
Wiggins has been 98 TS+ in RS and 94 TS+ in playoffs.

Wiggins is a more versatile defender but much prefer Rui offensively.

Rui take 10 shots a game playing next to LeBron with an extremely high assisted shot percentage . He should be efficient lol

Wiggins biggest downside is his contract. Think more teams would prefer a two way wing than a low volume one way player.

Right, so playing next to Curry and in the Warriors offensive system is nothing compared to the offense generated by LeBron?

I disagree, Wiggins is a poor finisher. He's always been that way.

He's a guy that you can get you below average offensive efficiency but he can get that from isolation (which has some use), his main value is his versatility.

I don’t think curry and LeBron are in the same tier of play making. Rui was assisted on 80 percent of of his 2 pointers the last two seasons.

If we go with the idea that the play making is the same. Wiggins wasn’t a poor finisher around the goal during his time with warriors. More reason for the lakers to trade for him.

I don’t put much value in a guy efficiency who takes less than 10 shots a game. Rui the most efficient 10 shots a game player in the league. Sure. But his defense is so meh. Wiggins offensively weakness is tiers better than Rui defensively weakness.

kobe_vs_jordan wrote:

zimpy27 wrote:

kobe_vs_jordan wrote:Rui take 10 shots a game playing next to LeBron with an extremely high assisted shot percentage . He should be efficient lol

Wiggins biggest downside is his contract. Think more teams would prefer a two way wing than a low volume one way player.

Right, so playing next to Curry and in the Warriors offensive system is nothing compared to the offense generated by LeBron?

I disagree, Wiggins is a poor finisher. He's always been that way.

He's a guy that you can get you below average offensive efficiency but he can get that from isolation (which has some use), his main value is his versatility.

I don’t think curry and LeBron are in the same tier of play making. Rui was assisted on 80 percent of of his 2 pointers the last two seasons.

If we go with the idea that the play making is the same. Wiggins wasn’t a poor finisher around the goal during his time with warriors. More reason for the lakers to trade for him.

I don’t put much value in a guy efficiency who takes less than 10 shots a game. Rui the most efficient 10 shots a game player in the league. Sure. But his defense is so meh. Wiggins offensively weakness is tiers better than Rui defensively weakness.

Curry is meant to be elite at opening space for teammates, no?

Push the deal to July 1st and add Lakers 2nd that opens up.
Cap savings and offensive punch should be enough for the Heat...

Mavrelous wrote:Push the deal to July 1st and add Lakers 2nd that opens up.
Cap savings and offensive punch should be enough for the Heat...

Feels like Knecht and/or '31 FRP is too much. Kleber, Vincent, Shake, '32 SRP, and '26 pick swap for Wiggins is probably the best offer you're going to get from the Lakers.

A big part of the value for MIA here is shedding the 2nd year of Wiggins, but for 26-27, they're currently $69.9M below the tax line with Bam/Herro/Wiggins/SloMo/JJJ/Ware/Pelle signed, and SloMo can be waived for more room as his $9.6M salary is non guaranteed. I assume they'll want to keep Jovic, Highsmith and then they'll sign their 1st rounder from this past draft.

I guess if you look at it from a cap space standpoint, they're currently at about $35M before signing any of those guys above. So wiping Wiggins at $30M takes them to up to about $65M. Again, though doesn't include roster spots and re-signings from above. So still probably more like $40M in cap space to actually use.

It feels like traditional FA is kind of dead now, so if the goal is to add it might help to have Wiggins' contract to do it via trade or even S&T. And MIA doesn't seem like the team who'd ever use cap space to collect draft picks for crap players.

It just feels like for this to be something MIA would do, Wiggins would have to be a bad apple for them or their payroll would have to be murkier.