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Sorry for the typo in the title, if a mod can fix?

Good deal

Feels cheap to me. Roster is expensive. But this is good value. And there was no big money for Randle this offseason

Randle gets a player option so likely only a two year deal, Minnesota gets to run the bigs back.

Great deal for the Wolves.

Good stuff! I think that keeps him at a movable number as well in case of trade.

Seems like the right value for Randle.

Good value. This is what teams need to be trying to get weaker 2nd options/good 3rd options at price wise.

cucad8 wrote:Sorry for the typo in the title, if a mod can fix?

Done

I think we are going to see more and more deals of this $30-35 mil size for comparable players. Randle wasn’t an All Star this year (though he would have been if he played like he did to end the season, and first two playoff series!), and I think #2 options that aren’t true stars will not automatically get, or expect, the max.

Still, with the way the cap is expected to rise so quickly the next several years, this deal is pretty good. Randle wanted to stay in Minnesota, and there weren’t a lot of free agent suitors for leverage, so both sides are probably pretty happy with this one.

I would add, the Randle deal doesn’t necessarily mean NAW is gone.

As I explained in another thread, Connelly should outbid t-MLE offers and perhaps pay all the way up to the $14.1 MLE, and worry about payroll later.

shrink wrote:I would add, the Randle deal doesn’t necessarily mean NAW is gone.

As I explained in another thread, Connelly should outbid t-MLE offers and perhaps pay all the way up to the $14.1 MLE, and worry about payroll later.

I think the Dunc'd on podcast mentioned this back in Late April/Early May.

Basically all of their players (Naz/Randle/NAW) will be tradable on their new contracts. Sign them now, see where the team is in January/Early February. If they are a Top team in the NBA, maybe the owners pay this year like Cleveland and other franchises are doing. If they aren't playing at that level, they can move off of one of the deals.

I guess we can put the questions of whether the new ownership is willing to pay up to bed for a while.

Both the Naz and Randle deals are fair, but at the top end of "fair" IMO.

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

shrink wrote:I would add, the Randle deal doesn’t necessarily mean NAW is gone.

As I explained in another thread, Connelly should outbid t-MLE offers and perhaps pay all the way up to the $14.1 MLE, and worry about payroll later.

I think the Dunc'd on podcast mentioned this back in Late April/Early May.

Basically all of their players (Naz/Randle/NAW) will be tradable on their new contracts. Sign them now, see where the team is in January/Early February. If they are a Top team in the NBA, maybe the owners pay this year like Cleveland and other franchises are doing. If they aren't playing at that level, they can move off of one of the deals.

There are 3 problems with this. This reply is also for @Shrink

1. There are draft pick penalties for being in the 2nd apron for more than 2 of a 5 year period. We were a 2nd apron team in 24/25. If we go into it in 25/26 then we are either out of it the next three seasons, or taking a poison pill for our pick 7 years out.

2. Roster space is at a premium for this team. We had 15 players, remove Ingles and add Joan and we are back at 15. Even if we let go of Garza we still don’t have a PG and now have an incredible tax bill to add even a minimum PG.

3. NAW log jams the rotation. Clark and TSJ both have great potential but cannot develop stuck behind NAW and DDV. If Dilly takes the backup PG minutes that forces multiple players to share the remaining SG/SF backup minutes. Better to clean the slate and try to get assets out of a sign and trade for NAW.

winforlose wrote:

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

shrink wrote:I would add, the Randle deal doesn’t necessarily mean NAW is gone.

As I explained in another thread, Connelly should outbid t-MLE offers and perhaps pay all the way up to the $14.1 MLE, and worry about payroll later.

I think the Dunc'd on podcast mentioned this back in Late April/Early May.

Basically all of their players (Naz/Randle/NAW) will be tradable on their new contracts. Sign them now, see where the team is in January/Early February. If they are a Top team in the NBA, maybe the owners pay this year like Cleveland and other franchises are doing. If they aren't playing at that level, they can move off of one of the deals.

There are 3 problems with this. This reply is also for @Shrink

1. There are draft pick penalties for being in the 2nd apron for more than 2 of a 5 year period. We were a 2nd apron team in 24/25. If we go into it in 25/26 then we are either out of it the next three seasons, or taking a poison pill for our pick 7 years out.

2. Roster space is at a premium for this team. We had 15 players, remove Ingles and add Joan and we are back at 15. Even if we let go of Garza we still don’t have a PG and now have an incredible tax bill to add even a minimum PG.

3. NAW log jams the rotation. Clark and TSJ both have great potential but cannot develop stuck behind NAW and DDV. If Dilly takes the backup PG minutes that forces multiple players to share the remaining SG/SF backup minutes. Better to clean the slate and try to get assets out of a sign and trade for NAW.

Are we 100% that Joan is even coming over this year? Might make sense to park him in Europe for a season given the roster and tax constraints the Wolves are operating under.

gswhoops wrote:

winforlose wrote:

ReggiesKnicks wrote:
I think the Dunc'd on podcast mentioned this back in Late April/Early May.

Basically all of their players (Naz/Randle/NAW) will be tradable on their new contracts. Sign them now, see where the team is in January/Early February. If they are a Top team in the NBA, maybe the owners pay this year like Cleveland and other franchises are doing. If they aren't playing at that level, they can move off of one of the deals.

There are 3 problems with this. This reply is also for @Shrink

1. There are draft pick penalties for being in the 2nd apron for more than 2 of a 5 year period. We were a 2nd apron team in 24/25. If we go into it in 25/26 then we are either out of it the next three seasons, or taking a poison pill for our pick 7 years out.

2. Roster space is at a premium for this team. We had 15 players, remove Ingles and add Joan and we are back at 15. Even if we let go of Garza we still don’t have a PG and now have an incredible tax bill to add even a minimum PG.

3. NAW log jams the rotation. Clark and TSJ both have great potential but cannot develop stuck behind NAW and DDV. If Dilly takes the backup PG minutes that forces multiple players to share the remaining SG/SF backup minutes. Better to clean the slate and try to get assets out of a sign and trade for NAW.

Are we 100% that Joan is even coming over this year? Might make sense to park him in Europe for a season given the roster and tax constraints the Wolves are operating under.

The Wolves need a backup C. If they don’t bring him then they are gonna have the same problem they had last season. Running it back is a bad idea. Imbalance at the PG and C will cost us in the playoffs again.

winforlose wrote:

gswhoops wrote:

winforlose wrote:
There are 3 problems with this. This reply is also for @Shrink

1. There are draft pick penalties for being in the 2nd apron for more than 2 of a 5 year period. We were a 2nd apron team in 24/25. If we go into it in 25/26 then we are either out of it the next three seasons, or taking a poison pill for our pick 7 years out.

2. Roster space is at a premium for this team. We had 15 players, remove Ingles and add Joan and we are back at 15. Even if we let go of Garza we still don’t have a PG and now have an incredible tax bill to add even a minimum PG.

3. NAW log jams the rotation. Clark and TSJ both have great potential but cannot develop stuck behind NAW and DDV. If Dilly takes the backup PG minutes that forces multiple players to share the remaining SG/SF backup minutes. Better to clean the slate and try to get assets out of a sign and trade for NAW.

Are we 100% that Joan is even coming over this year? Might make sense to park him in Europe for a season given the roster and tax constraints the Wolves are operating under.

The Wolves need a backup C. If they don’t bring him then they are gonna have the same problem they had last season. Running it back is a bad idea. Imbalance at the PG and C will cost us in the playoffs again.

Not a slight on Joan as a prospect but most likely whoever you can sign for the vet min is going to give you better NBA minutes next year than he is.

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

shrink wrote:I would add, the Randle deal doesn’t necessarily mean NAW is gone.

As I explained in another thread, Connelly should outbid t-MLE offers and perhaps pay all the way up to the $14.1 MLE, and worry about payroll later.

I think the Dunc'd on podcast mentioned this back in Late April/Early May.

Basically all of their players (Naz/Randle/NAW) will be tradable on their new contracts. Sign them now, see where the team is in January/Early February. If they are a Top team in the NBA, maybe the owners pay this year like Cleveland and other franchises are doing. If they aren't playing at that level, they can move off of one of the deals.

If this is the Wolves master plan to acquire a starting point guard before the '26 playoffs, then I guess "I'm in". I guess.

winforlose wrote:

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

shrink wrote:I would add, the Randle deal doesn’t necessarily mean NAW is gone.

As I explained in another thread, Connelly should outbid t-MLE offers and perhaps pay all the way up to the $14.1 MLE, and worry about payroll later.

I think the Dunc'd on podcast mentioned this back in Late April/Early May.

Basically all of their players (Naz/Randle/NAW) will be tradable on their new contracts. Sign them now, see where the team is in January/Early February. If they are a Top team in the NBA, maybe the owners pay this year like Cleveland and other franchises are doing. If they aren't playing at that level, they can move off of one of the deals.

There are 3 problems with this. This reply is also for @Shrink

1. There are draft pick penalties for being in the 2nd apron for more than 2 of a 5 year period. We were a 2nd apron team in 24/25. If we go into it in 25/26 then we are either out of it the next three seasons, or taking a poison pill for our pick 7 years out.

This is a rule of the new CBA. It doesn't mean teams should avoid it if they are title contenders.

2. Roster space is at a premium for this team. We had 15 players, remove Ingles and add Joan and we are back at 15. Even if we let go of Garza we still don’t have a PG and now have an incredible tax bill to add even a minimum PG.

Are Dillingham/Donte/Conley not Point Guards?

Even NAW is a PG defensively as a POA defender.

3. NAW log jams the rotation. Clark and TSJ both have great potential but cannot develop stuck behind NAW and DDV. If Dilly takes the backup PG minutes that forces multiple players to share the remaining SG/SF backup minutes. Better to clean the slate and try to get assets out of a sign and trade for NAW.

If you can't develop when stuck behind players of the caliber of NAW/DDV, maybe you aren't a good basketball player.

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

3. NAW log jams the rotation. Clark and TSJ both have great potential but cannot develop stuck behind NAW and DDV. If Dilly takes the backup PG minutes that forces multiple players to share the remaining SG/SF backup minutes. Better to clean the slate and try to get assets out of a sign and trade for NAW.

If you can't develop when stuck behind players of the caliber of NAW/DDV, maybe you aren't a good basketball player.

I mean, they're both solid vets. The bigger problem is that Minnesota is clearly in win-now mode and isn't going to have the ability (or the inclination) to suffer through the growing pains when they have ready-now guys on the roster.