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Surprised. Thought he'd hold out for 3.

As expected, he's aligned with Kawhi now.

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Surprised. Thought he'd hold out for 3.

I think he is betting on himself. Shorter deal with higher AAV vs longer at a lower AAV.

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Must be nice to get $40M/year with 0 expectations.

SA37 wrote:Must be nice to get $40M/year with 0 expectations.

The expectation is he is an All-Star, like he has been the past few years when healthy.

SA37 wrote:Must be nice to get $40M/year with 0 expectations.

Is this relevant to the discussion at hand? We do have a rule about that.

Andre Roberstan wrote:

SA37 wrote:Must be nice to get $40M/year with 0 expectations.

Is this relevant to the discussion at hand? We do have a rule about that.

Unless you don't think I'm talking about his contract, yes?

He's more tradeable than PG13.

SA37 wrote:

Andre Roberstan wrote:

SA37 wrote:Must be nice to get $40M/year with 0 expectations.

Is this relevant to the discussion at hand? We do have a rule about that.

Unless you don't think I'm talking about his contract, yes?

You're not talking about the contract -- you're bashing the Clippers.

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

SA37 wrote:Must be nice to get $40M/year with 0 expectations.

The expectation is he is an All-Star, like he has been the past few years when healthy.

"When healthy" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence, although I really just question Harden's commitment to basketball. He just seems to coast through games/the season. His play dropped off significantly in the playoffs. I guess the Clippers are happy with that.

Andre Roberstan wrote:

SA37 wrote:

Andre Roberstan wrote:
Is this relevant to the discussion at hand? We do have a rule about that.

Unless you don't think I'm talking about his contract, yes?

You're not talking about the contract -- you're bashing the Clippers.

Yes. It's a bad contract, imo, for a guy who I think has a loose commitment to winning basketball.

SA37 wrote:

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

SA37 wrote:Must be nice to get $40M/year with 0 expectations.

The expectation is he is an All-Star, like he has been the past few years when healthy.

"When healthy" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence, although I really just question Harden's commitment to basketball. He just seems to coast through games/the season. His play dropped off significantly in the playoffs. I guess the Clippers are happy with that.

Heavy lifting?

Harden played 72 and 79 games the past two years. You continue to show you really don't know what you are talking about on this forum.

SA37 wrote:

Andre Roberstan wrote:

SA37 wrote:
Unless you don't think I'm talking about his contract, yes?

You're not talking about the contract -- you're bashing the Clippers.

Yes. It's a bad contract, imo, for a guy who I think has a loose commitment to winning basketball.

That's a fair take. I'm not sure I agree, but it's fair. I don't think he has the juice to be The Guy anymore.

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I think the Clips did well here though. Lining him and Leonard up was always their new plan.. Harden is going to outplay the contract this season if he’s healthy and if he and Leonard are healthy the Clips will be a nice playoff team.

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

SA37 wrote:

ReggiesKnicks wrote:
The expectation is he is an All-Star, like he has been the past few years when healthy.

"When healthy" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence, although I really just question Harden's commitment to basketball. He just seems to coast through games/the season. His play dropped off significantly in the playoffs. I guess the Clippers are happy with that.

Heavy lifting?

Harden played 72 and 79 games the past two years. You continue to show you really don't know what you are talking about on this forum.

I didn't make the claim he wasn't healthy.

You seem to like to value players in a vacuum. Harden has been a shadow of the player he was in Houston. IMO, he was neither an all-star caliber player nor an all-NBA player last year even with all the injuries to all-NBA level guys. Just my humble opinion, but we'll see what he does now over the life of this contract.

SA37 wrote:

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

SA37 wrote:
"When healthy" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence, although I really just question Harden's commitment to basketball. He just seems to coast through games/the season. His play dropped off significantly in the playoffs. I guess the Clippers are happy with that.

Heavy lifting?

Harden played 72 and 79 games the past two years. You continue to show you really don't know what you are talking about on this forum.

I didn't make the claim he wasn't healthy.

You seem to like to value players in a vacuum. Harden has been a shadow of the player he was in Houston. IMO, he was neither an all-star caliber player nor an all-NBA player last year even with all the injuries to all-NBA level guys. Just my humble opinion, but we'll see what he does now over the life of this contract.

Statistically, without cherry-picking, Harden was an All-NBA and All-Star.

Andre Roberstan wrote:

SA37 wrote:

Andre Roberstan wrote:
You're not talking about the contract -- you're bashing the Clippers.

Yes. It's a bad contract, imo, for a guy who I think has a loose commitment to winning basketball.

That's a fair take. I'm not sure I agree, but it's fair. I don't think he has the juice to be The Guy anymore.

He hasn't been The Guy since his Houston days. I thought the all-star/all-NBA selections were a gift. He hasn't been able to take good rosters with the Nets and Philly anywhere. He was totally inconsistent in the playoffs.

I don't imagine this changes, although if Kawhi can stay healthy, maybe he and Powell can makeup for Harden's blasé approach.

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

SA37 wrote:

ReggiesKnicks wrote:
Heavy lifting?

Harden played 72 and 79 games the past two years. You continue to show you really don't know what you are talking about on this forum.

I didn't make the claim he wasn't healthy.

You seem to like to value players in a vacuum. Harden has been a shadow of the player he was in Houston. IMO, he was neither an all-star caliber player nor an all-NBA player last year even with all the injuries to all-NBA level guys. Just my humble opinion, but we'll see what he does now over the life of this contract.

Statistically, without cherry-picking, Harden was an All-NBA and All-Star.

Yep. He was. Lonzo-Ball-esque eFG%

This is a overpay. There's a no non zero this get viewed a negative value contract by the trade deadline.