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Was/Den swap 2.0

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2025 7:46 pm
by BelgradeNugget
I started with really good idea by jayjaysee but modified it a little bit


Denver: Kelly Olynyk, Malcolm Brogdon (s&t $16M/3y)
Washington: Zake Nnaji, Dario Saric, Hunter Tyson, Julian Strawther, 2026 swap option (top 6 protected?), 2032 Nuggets 2nd


Denver - in jayjaysee idea it was Kispert to Denver but Nuggets need backup C more so I replaced him with Olynyk. Also added Tyson/Strawther for Brogdon s&t. Denver adds 2032 2nd to Wash for help in s&t. Strawther was Nuggets 8th player last season, Washington can rerute him to another team, since they have so many wings already


Washington - they currently have the worse of Houston/OKC pick in 2026, which projects to be 30th. This is a 4-6 spot jump, and 2032 Nuggets 2nd for players they don't need, and taking Nnaji's contract

Re: Was/Den swap 2.0

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:02 pm
by gswhoops
Denver would have to get under the first apron to take back a player via S&T and I don’t see how they can do that

Re: Was/Den swap 2.0

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:08 pm
by BelgradeNugget
gswhoops wrote:Denver would have to get under the first apron to take back a player via S&T and I don’t see how they can do that

By the explanation I got here from CBA experts, team over 1st apron can't sign and trade player (own free agent) but can recive a player signed and traded to them by team under 1st apron

Re: Was/Den swap 2.0

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:23 pm
by psman2
BelgradeNugget wrote:
gswhoops wrote:Denver would have to get under the first apron to take back a player via S&T and I don’t see how they can do that

By the explanation I got here from CBS experts, team over 1st apron can't sign and trade player (own free agent) but can recive a player signed and traded to them by team under 1st apron


CBS experts are wrong. The rules are for the receiving team.

Re: Was/Den swap 2.0

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:27 pm
by gswhoops
psman2 wrote:
BelgradeNugget wrote:
gswhoops wrote:Denver would have to get under the first apron to take back a player via S&T and I don’t see how they can do that

By the explanation I got here from CBS experts, team over 1st apron can't sign and trade player (own free agent) but can recive a player signed and traded to them by team under 1st apron


CBS experts are wrong. The rules are for the receiving team.

Yeah CBS has it backwards. Sending out a S&T = hardcapped at the second apron; receiving a S&T = hardcapped at the first apron

Re: Was/Den swap 2.0

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:29 pm
by BelgradeNugget
psman2 wrote:
BelgradeNugget wrote:
gswhoops wrote:Denver would have to get under the first apron to take back a player via S&T and I don’t see how they can do that

By the explanation I got here from CBS experts, team over 1st apron can't sign and trade player (own free agent) but can recive a player signed and traded to them by team under 1st apron


CBS experts are wrong. The rules are for the receiving team.

You sure? Does it mean team over 1st apron can sign own free agent and trade him for another player?

Re: Was/Den swap 2.0

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:29 pm
by gswhoops
BelgradeNugget wrote:
psman2 wrote:
BelgradeNugget wrote:By the explanation I got here from CBS experts, team over 1st apron can't sign and trade player (own free agent) but can recive a player signed and traded to them by team under 1st apron


CBS experts are wrong. The rules are for the receiving team.

You sure? Does it mean team over 1st apron can sign own free agent and trade him for another player?

Yes, but they would be hardcapped at the second apron

Re: Was/Den swap 2.0

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:30 pm
by gswhoops
(also this stuff is incredibly confusing, so no judgment!)

Re: Was/Den swap 2.0

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:31 pm
by BelgradeNugget
Ok, if Nuggets can't do S&T with Brogdon trade is

Denver: Kelly Olynyk
Washington: Zake Nnaji, Dario Saric, 2026 swap option (top 6 protected?)

Re: Was/Den swap 2.0

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:36 pm
by psman2
BelgradeNugget wrote:Ok, if Nuggets can't do S&T with Brogdon trade is

Denver: Kelly Olynyk
Washington: Zake Nnaji, Dario Saric, 2026 swap option (top 6 protected?)


What are the odds that swap is made 1.2%. Don't think Washington eats Nnaji for that.

Re: Was/Den swap 2.0

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:36 pm
by gswhoops
BelgradeNugget wrote:Ok, if Nuggets can't do S&T with Brogdon trade is

Denver: Kelly Olynyk
Washington: Zake Nnaji, Dario Saric, 2026 swap option (top 6 protected?)

I think this makes sense for both teams.

Re: Was/Den swap 2.0

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:37 pm
by gswhoops
psman2 wrote:
BelgradeNugget wrote:Ok, if Nuggets can't do S&T with Brogdon trade is

Denver: Kelly Olynyk
Washington: Zake Nnaji, Dario Saric, 2026 swap option (top 6 protected?)


What are the odds that swap is made 1.2%. Don't think Washington eats Nnaji for that.

Washington has the worst of HOU/OKC, I'm pretty sure that pick will be lower than DEN

Re: Was/Den swap 2.0

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:41 pm
by psman2
gswhoops wrote:
psman2 wrote:
BelgradeNugget wrote:Ok, if Nuggets can't do S&T with Brogdon trade is

Denver: Kelly Olynyk
Washington: Zake Nnaji, Dario Saric, 2026 swap option (top 6 protected?)


What are the odds that swap is made 1.2%. Don't think Washington eats Nnaji for that.

Washington has the worst of HOU/OKC, I'm pretty sure that pick will be lower than DEN


Should have read OP better. Stopped at the illegal SNT. Still not sure that is enough to dump 3 years of Nnaji making 23m.

Re: Was/Den swap 2.0

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:42 pm
by BelgradeNugget
I found this explanation:

"60-Day Waiting Period:
If the team wants to include the newly acquired player in a trade that involves other players being sent out, they must wait 60 days"


So if Denver can't be part of S&T, both teams can wait 60 days to make a trade or just do 2nd option.

Re: Was/Den swap 2.0

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:43 pm
by psman2
BelgradeNugget wrote:I found this explanation:

"60-Day Waiting Period:
If the team wants to include the newly acquired player in a trade that involves other players being sent out, they must wait 60 days"


So if Denver can't be part of S&T, both teams can wait 60 days to make a trade or just do 2nd option.


What player is newly acquired here? That means via trade not signed as a free agent.

Re: Was/Den swap 2.0

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:46 pm
by BelgradeNugget
psman2 wrote:
gswhoops wrote:
psman2 wrote:
What are the odds that swap is made 1.2%. Don't think Washington eats Nnaji for that.

Washington has the worst of HOU/OKC, I'm pretty sure that pick will be lower than DEN


Should have read OP better. Stopped at the illegal SNT. Still not sure that is enough to dump 3 years of Nnaji making 23m.

Moving up in the 1st round 5-6 spots for rebuilding team? Next season their projected payroll is $92M, with Nnaji $99M

Re: Was/Den swap 2.0

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:50 pm
by BelgradeNugget
psman2 wrote:
BelgradeNugget wrote:I found this explanation:

"60-Day Waiting Period:
If the team wants to include the newly acquired player in a trade that involves other players being sent out, they must wait 60 days"


So if Denver can't be part of S&T, both teams can wait 60 days to make a trade or just do 2nd option.


What player is newly acquired here? That means via trade not signed as a free agent.

If you sign a player, or trade for him, how much you must wait before you can trade him? It means aquire player. You can trade him after 60 days, right?
S&T means trading player signed at the time.

Re: Was/Den swap 2.0

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:51 pm
by penbeast0
I like it a bit less than the original. I think Kispert is worth more than Kelly O but Washington has a dearth of big bodies and a surplus of wings so getting more time for all our 2-3 type players was a part of the value.

Re: Was/Den swap 2.0

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:56 pm
by BelgradeNugget
penbeast0 wrote:I like it a bit less than the original. I think Kispert is worth more than Kelly O but Washington has a dearth of big bodies and a surplus of wings so getting more time for all our 2-3 type players was a part of the value.

Yes, in original Washington trades one of their wings, better for them, but in this version Denver gets what they need more - backup C

Re: Was/Den swap 2.0

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:57 pm
by psman2
BelgradeNugget wrote:
psman2 wrote:
BelgradeNugget wrote:I found this explanation:

"60-Day Waiting Period:
If the team wants to include the newly acquired player in a trade that involves other players being sent out, they must wait 60 days"


So if Denver can't be part of S&T, both teams can wait 60 days to make a trade or just do 2nd option.


What player is newly acquired here? That means via trade not signed as a free agent.

If you sign a player, or trade for him, how much you must wait before you can trade him? It means aquire player. You can trade him after 60 days, right?
S&T means trading player signed at the time.


Newly signed FA are usually trade eligible around Dec 15. FA signings are not considered acquired players.

If you trade for a player you can flip him immediately if you are not aggregating his salary...traded alone basically.