Gobert on the move to the East

[JMAC3]

The writing could be on wall for Gobert, Minnesota is set to be over the first apron this year. They just drafted two centers in the draft and paid Naz Reid and Julius Randle. They are roughly at 200 million right now with 13 players under contract- first apron 196 million.

Minnesota sends: Rudy Gobert
Charlotte sends: Grant Williams, Josh Green, Moussa Diabate, Dallas 2027 1st (top 2 protected), Miami 2027 1st (Lottery Protected, or unprotected next year) 2029 First (worst of Utah, Minnesota, Cleveland) and 3 2nds.

Charlotte has 19 guys under contract, this 3-1 is a good start. Gobert fills their biggest roster hole at the 5 spot for the next three seasons as they look to be in the mix in a down eastern conference. Also, Gobert defense first ability helps cover the defensive issues of nearly every other spot on the roster.

Minnesota saves 5.4 million and gets under the first apron and adds 6 draft picks. They also get a couple of 3D players in Green and Grant Williams to help fill out their depth. Diabate is a solid center depth piece to add to mix of Reid, Beringer and Rocco.

Conley- Dilly
Ant- Donte
McDaniels- Green
Randle- Williams
Naz- Beringer- Moussa- Rocco

[BK_2020]

I don't think the Wolves go into the season with Naz Reid at C.

[Texas Chuck]

Value seems more than fair. But Minnesota has been to b2b WCF with Gobert being their best player the first time and second best player the second time. Not sure they will want to take this kind of a step back. None of those other players you mention remotely replace what he brings.

I also think Charlotte is unlikely to be a Gobert away from anything meaningful. Not sure they should be trading 2 firsts with decent upsides plus for him at this point. But if they really really want to a be play-in team this year, maybe?

[Godaddycurse]

Add dallas. Send williams/diabate/dallas 1st for gafford to route back to minny as placeholder starting C.

Can also add chicago and send green/2 1sts for white. Gobert for gafford/white is kinda nice on paper

[Texas Chuck]

Add dallas. Send williams/diabate/dallas 1st for gafford to route back to minny as placeholder starting C

Dallas probably unwilling to take back Williams as they were desperate to ship him out in the Washington deal. They also don't need any more players best suited for PF atm as that's like half the current roster lol.

On value they should absolutely do that. But I don't think they would.

[daoneandonly]

Add dallas. Send williams/diabate/dallas 1st for gafford to route back to minny as placeholder starting C

Dallas probably unwilling to take back Williams as they were desperate to ship him out in the Washington deal. They also don't need any more players best suited for PF atm as that's like half the current roster lol.

On value they should absolutely do that. But I don't think they would.

Was going to say the same as word was Geant was not liked in the locker room. But then wondered, was ot more an issue between him and Luka? Not sure

[Astaluego]

I don't understand this for anyone (yes, for the WOLVES, if they send the value for win-now players) but especially for the HORNETS... I agree that they should spend some assets (certainly not that Dallas pick, nor any of their own) to get a starting-caliber center, but one that fits better into their timeline... be it Claxton or Kessler.

[winforlose]

The writing could be on wall for Gobert, Minnesota is set to be over the first apron this year. They just drafted two centers in the draft and paid Naz Reid and Julius Randle. They are roughly at 200 million right now with 13 players under contract- first apron 196 million.

Minnesota sends: Rudy Gobert
Charlotte sends: Grant Williams, Josh Green, Moussa Diabate, Dallas 2027 1st (top 2 protected), Miami 2027 1st (Lottery Protected, or unprotected next year) 2029 First (worst of Utah, Minnesota, Cleveland) and 3 2nds.

Charlotte has 19 guys under contract, this 3-1 is a good start. Gobert fills their biggest roster hole at the 5 spot for the next three seasons as they look to be in the mix in a down eastern conference. Also, Gobert defense first ability helps cover the defensive issues of nearly every other spot on the roster.

Minnesota saves 5.4 million and gets under the first apron and adds 6 draft picks. They also get a couple of 3D players in Green and Grant Williams to help fill out their depth. Diabate is a solid center depth piece to add to mix of Reid, Beringer and Rocco.

Conley- Dilly
Ant- Donte
McDaniels- Green
Randle- Williams
Naz- Beringer- Moussa- Rocco

Any trade involving Gobert must include a starting PG, and a starting C. If you want to loop in 3 or 4 teams and have the picks sent elsewhere that makes sense. But short of that, it is an automatic no. Ant will not tolerate a deliberate step back and the Wolves will not risk losing Ant.

[JMAC3]

Charlotte has 11 firsts over the next 7 drafts, they have 14 2nd round picks.
Have a huge hole at center.

If Charlotte wants to be a playoff team the next few years this feels like the type of move that makes sense.

[winforlose]

Charlotte has 11 firsts over the next 7 drafts, they have 14 2nd round picks.
Have a huge hole at center.

If Charlotte wants to be a playoff team the next few years this feels like the type of move that makes sense.

It very well might. But the Wolves are not obvious sellers. You want to acquire a dominant defensive big from a perennial contender, you need to offer them win now players.

[schaffy]

The writing could be on wall for Gobert, Minnesota is set to be over the first apron this year. They just drafted two centers in the draft and paid Naz Reid and Julius Randle. They are roughly at 200 million right now with 13 players under contract- first apron 196 million.

Minnesota sends: Rudy Gobert
Charlotte sends: Grant Williams, Josh Green, Moussa Diabate, Dallas 2027 1st (top 2 protected), Miami 2027 1st (Lottery Protected, or unprotected next year) 2029 First (worst of Utah, Minnesota, Cleveland) and 3 2nds.

Charlotte has 19 guys under contract, this 3-1 is a good start. Gobert fills their biggest roster hole at the 5 spot for the next three seasons as they look to be in the mix in a down eastern conference. Also, Gobert defense first ability helps cover the defensive issues of nearly every other spot on the roster.

Minnesota saves 5.4 million and gets under the first apron and adds 6 draft picks. They also get a couple of 3D players in Green and Grant Williams to help fill out their depth. Diabate is a solid center depth piece to add to mix of Reid, Beringer and Rocco.

Conley- Dilly
Ant- Donte
McDaniels- Green
Randle- Williams
Naz- Beringer- Moussa- Rocco

Any trade involving Gobert must include a starting PG, and a starting C. If you want to loop in 3 or 4 teams and have the picks sent elsewhere that makes sense. But short of that, it is an automatic no. Ant will not tolerate a deliberate step back and the Wolves will not risk losing Ant.

This feels a little over the top. I dont think they'd move Rudy right now any way because of how vitally important he is to the defense. And those 2 kids they drafted are both extremely raw and not ready for rotation time. But if they were to move Rudy, I think they'd look for a way to get a replacement level starting Center back and future flexibility of some kind. I dont think they'd have to get a starting PG back. My guess is the front office is still confident in Dilly after 1 season where he dealt with a number of ankle injuries. So they'd want other stuff to give themselves flexibility going forward, but I dont think its tied to any 1 position like that. And the draft picks this deal provides would give the front office more tools to make future deals with.

[JMAC3]

The writing could be on wall for Gobert, Minnesota is set to be over the first apron this year. They just drafted two centers in the draft and paid Naz Reid and Julius Randle. They are roughly at 200 million right now with 13 players under contract- first apron 196 million.

Minnesota sends: Rudy Gobert
Charlotte sends: Grant Williams, Josh Green, Moussa Diabate, Dallas 2027 1st (top 2 protected), Miami 2027 1st (Lottery Protected, or unprotected next year) 2029 First (worst of Utah, Minnesota, Cleveland) and 3 2nds.

Charlotte has 19 guys under contract, this 3-1 is a good start. Gobert fills their biggest roster hole at the 5 spot for the next three seasons as they look to be in the mix in a down eastern conference. Also, Gobert defense first ability helps cover the defensive issues of nearly every other spot on the roster.

Minnesota saves 5.4 million and gets under the first apron and adds 6 draft picks. They also get a couple of 3D players in Green and Grant Williams to help fill out their depth. Diabate is a solid center depth piece to add to mix of Reid, Beringer and Rocco.

Conley- Dilly
Ant- Donte
McDaniels- Green
Randle- Williams
Naz- Beringer- Moussa- Rocco

Any trade involving Gobert must include a starting PG, and a starting C. If you want to loop in 3 or 4 teams and have the picks sent elsewhere that makes sense. But short of that, it is an automatic no. Ant will not tolerate a deliberate step back and the Wolves will not risk losing Ant.

This feels a little over the top. I dont think they'd move Rudy right now any way because of how vitally important he is to the defense. And those 2 kids they drafted are both extremely raw and not ready for rotation time. But if they were to move Rudy, I think they'd look for a way to get a replacement level starting Center back and future flexibility of some kind. I dont think they'd have to get a starting PG back. My guess is the front office is still confident in Dilly after 1 season where he dealt with a number of ankle injuries. So they'd want other stuff to give themselves flexibility going forward, but I dont think its tied to any 1 position like that. And the draft picks this deal provides would give the front office more tools to make future deals with.

I would say getting 3 firsts and 3 2nds is a lot of flexibility. Short 2 year deals coming back.

[Domejandro]

Naz Reid is not a Center. He is a big forward who can poorly play Center in short stints.

[winforlose]

Naz Reid is not a Center. He is a big forward who can poorly play Center in short stints.

He was a big forward, then he changed his body to play alongside KAT and Rudy. Now he is a 3/4 hybrid who struggles to play small ball 5. Which is why our defense is so bad with Rudy on the bench.

[JMAC3]

Naz Reid is not a Center. He is a big forward who can poorly play Center in short stints.

So Minny is paying 55 million for 2 PFs. Either way they have a ton of assets invested both $$$ and draft wise into PF and C.

[jbk1234]

Charlotte has 11 firsts over the next 7 drafts, they have 14 2nd round picks.
Have a huge hole at center.

If Charlotte wants to be a playoff team the next few years this feels like the type of move that makes sense.

The question is whether they want to be a playoff team this season, or whether they want to tank for for one more year, play another year off of Bridges and Ball's contracts, and roll into next summer with lottery picks and a truck load of cap space.

They're not a single move away from a playoff run. They have not executed moves to put them in position to be a single move away. I don't think your plan is their plan.

[winforlose]

The writing could be on wall for Gobert, Minnesota is set to be over the first apron this year. They just drafted two centers in the draft and paid Naz Reid and Julius Randle. They are roughly at 200 million right now with 13 players under contract- first apron 196 million.

Minnesota sends: Rudy Gobert
Charlotte sends: Grant Williams, Josh Green, Moussa Diabate, Dallas 2027 1st (top 2 protected), Miami 2027 1st (Lottery Protected, or unprotected next year) 2029 First (worst of Utah, Minnesota, Cleveland) and 3 2nds.

Charlotte has 19 guys under contract, this 3-1 is a good start. Gobert fills their biggest roster hole at the 5 spot for the next three seasons as they look to be in the mix in a down eastern conference. Also, Gobert defense first ability helps cover the defensive issues of nearly every other spot on the roster.

Minnesota saves 5.4 million and gets under the first apron and adds 6 draft picks. They also get a couple of 3D players in Green and Grant Williams to help fill out their depth. Diabate is a solid center depth piece to add to mix of Reid, Beringer and Rocco.

Conley- Dilly
Ant- Donte
McDaniels- Green
Randle- Williams
Naz- Beringer- Moussa- Rocco

Any trade involving Gobert must include a starting PG, and a starting C. If you want to loop in 3 or 4 teams and have the picks sent elsewhere that makes sense. But short of that, it is an automatic no. Ant will not tolerate a deliberate step back and the Wolves will not risk losing Ant.

This feels a little over the top. I dont think they'd move Rudy right now any way because of how vitally important he is to the defense. And those 2 kids they drafted are both extremely raw and not ready for rotation time. But if they were to move Rudy, I think they'd look for a way to get a replacement level starting Center back and future flexibility of some kind. I dont think they'd have to get a starting PG back. My guess is the front office is still confident in Dilly after 1 season where he dealt with a number of ankle injuries. So they'd want other stuff to give themselves flexibility going forward, but I dont think its tied to any 1 position like that. And the draft picks this deal provides would give the front office more tools to make future deals with.

Sorry but strongly disagree. Mike is a 38 year old showing his age, (especially in his interior game.) Even if Dilly is a future starter, he is at least 2 probably 3 years away from being ready. You want to win a chip, trade one of Randle or Rudy for the PG who can play beside Ant now. If we move Rudy we need a C back who can rim protect and bridge the gap until Joan or Rocco are ready, (likely 3 years away or more.) The 3 1sts (one of which is basically an end of round,) and 3 2nds plus all the player talent must secure two starting quality players or the Wolves have no reason to do it.

P.S of course the starting C is not going to be as good as Rudy.

[winforlose]

Naz Reid is not a Center. He is a big forward who can poorly play Center in short stints.

So Minny is paying 55 million for 2 PFs. Either way they have a ton of assets invested both $$$ and draft wise into PF and C.

Which is why we likely trade Randle. Though I would trade both Randle and Rudy.

[Domejandro]

Naz Reid is not a Center. He is a big forward who can poorly play Center in short stints.

So Minny is paying 55 million for 2 PFs. Either way they have a ton of assets invested both $$$ and draft wise into PF and C.

The current roster structure largely makes sense as is. Ironically, Minnesota could do with a back-up Center (albeit, not as much as they need a real answer at Point-Guard).

Mike Conley / Rob Dillingham
Anthony Edwards / Donte DiVincenzo / Jaylen Clark
Jaden McDaniels / Terrence Shannon Jr.
Julius Randle / Naz Reid / Leonard Miller
Rudy Gobert / Joan Beringer / Rocco Zikarsky (2WP)

There are 96 minutes between Power-Forward and Center which will likely be largely monopolized by Naz Reid, Julius Randle, and Rudy Gobert. The eighteen year old Joan Beringer is not going to be taking up many minutes. Naz Reid is making 14% of the salary cap, which roughly makes sense for a sixth-man.

[winforlose]

Naz Reid is not a Center. He is a big forward who can poorly play Center in short stints.

So Minny is paying 55 million for 2 PFs. Either way they have a ton of assets invested both $$$ and draft wise into PF and C.

The current roster structure largely makes sense as is. Ironically, Minnesota could do with a back-up Center (albeit, not as much as they need a real answer at Point-Guard).

Mike Conley / Rob Dillingham
Anthony Edwards / Donte DiVincenzo / Jaylen Clark
Jaden McDaniels / Terrence Shannon Jr.
Julius Randle / Naz Reid / Leonard Miller
Rudy Gobert / Joan Beringer / Rocco Zikarsky (2WP)

There are 96 minutes between Power-Forward and Center which will likely be largely monopolized by Naz Reid, Julius Randle, and Rudy Gobert. The eighteen year old Joan Beringer is not going to be taking up many minutes. Naz Reid is making 14% of the salary cap, which roughly makes sense for a sixth-man.

1. Mike is not a starting quality PG anymore.

2. Dilly is not a backup quality PG on a contender. We will shoe horn him in, but that will be a problem.

3. Joan by the end of the season will likely be a capable enough backup C. His size and athleticism means we need to give him a legit chance to develop, even if it lowers our seeding.

4. Randle being traded is more likely than Rudy, but I would move both, and build a team that plays five out and focuses on creating opportunities for Ant on and off ball.