PHX/GSW/WAS - Solves Kuminga and Beal problems

[nate33]

Golden State trades: Kuminga (signed to $28M or thereabouts)
Golden State receives: Kispert, their 2030 pick back from WAS

Phoenix trades: Beal, Maluach
Phoenix receives: Kuminga, Middleton

Washington trades: Middleton, Kispert, 2030 GSW pick
Washington receives: Beal (bought out after trade), Maluach

Why for Golden State: It resolves their Kuminga situation satisfactorily. It's not a great return, but it looks like there isn't a great return out there. This is better than Kuminga on a QO. They get Kispert who should be good in their system, and they get full control of their 2030 pick. This return has been grudgingly accepted by some GSW fans in past trade proposals.

Why for Phoenix: They get off Beal without having to stretch him and eat that salary hit for the next 5 years. Middleton will help them in the short term. And they turn a project in Maluach who won't help for a while into a talented young player at a position of need who helps immediately in Kuminga.

Why for Washington: It turns their willingness to spend and the cap flexibility into Maluach. It also clears up the log jam at forward and gives the Wizards a much needed, full-sized center to complement Sarr who is more of a PF/C in the Mobley/JJJ/Chet mold.

Question: should the Wizards also include Will Riley in this to Phoenix? He was their #21 pick. That way Phoenix is only downgrading from #10 to #21 rather than just giving away the #10 completely.

[Godaddycurse]

Phoenix would be hardcapped at first apron for receiving kuminga, which they are way over

[SA37]

Aside from the issue Godaddycurse pointed out, I think this would be a good trade for all teams involved. The only other potential issue would be Beal's willingness to accept a trade to Washington. I always thought he cared way more about his off-the-court life than basketball and genuinely loved living in the DC area, so I would expect he'd be fine going back to Washington. But who knows.

[jayjaysee]

I think if Phoenix was willing to pay that to dump Beal, they would’ve found a deal that works.

If Phoenix wants Kuminga, you could probably build up a Kuminga for Allen deal once Beal is stretched.. Grayson makes more sense on Phoenix once Beal is gone, but if you believe in Kuminga it is a good deal for Phoenix? Phoenix also would have the MLE so could bring back Moody or Buddy as part of the trade to replace guard depth..

[nate33]

I think if Phoenix was willing to pay that to dump Beal, they would’ve found a deal that works.

If Phoenix wants Kuminga, you could probably build up a Kuminga for Allen deal once Beal is stretched.. Grayson makes more sense on Phoenix once Beal is gone, but if you believe in Kuminga it is a good deal for Phoenix? Phoenix also would have the MLE so could bring back Moody or Buddy as part of the trade to replace guard depth..

It would be very hard for Phoenix and Golden State to work out a Kuminga deal independently. The base year compensation rules are prohibitive.

[jayjaysee]

I think if Phoenix was willing to pay that to dump Beal, they would’ve found a deal that works.

If Phoenix wants Kuminga, you could probably build up a Kuminga for Allen deal once Beal is stretched.. Grayson makes more sense on Phoenix once Beal is gone, but if you believe in Kuminga it is a good deal for Phoenix? Phoenix also would have the MLE so could bring back Moody or Buddy as part of the trade to replace guard depth..

It would be very hard for Phoenix and Golden State to work out a Kuminga deal independently. The base year compensation rules are prohibitive.

I have not played with Phoenix’s cap situation so you might be right?

Really have no idea what number they are at but looking at Spotrac they will probably be around 190 after stretching Beal with 12 players? So 194 with two vet mins to get to 14 bodies?

Grayson and Nick Richards to GSW
Kuminga (20 mil first year) to Phoenix
Moody to Utah/Chi/Brooklyn/Wash/etc

Seems legal and no first apron hard cap for GSW?

Could be Royce to a third team, instead of Nick Richards to GSW, if you believe in Dunn/Nigel/Fleming next season behind Kuminga/Brooks more than I do.. Using Royce leaves more money for Kuminga.

Or my cap numbers could be really off?

[NW]

GS likely rather keep Kuminga at a short deal starting at $20 mil than taking Allen for him. Don’t think Phoenix has draft capital to add.

[GatherStepGuru]

With all the work WAS has done to get off Beals money, I would want them to get more than Maluach for eating another 20 million of dead money per year for the next 5 years.

[jayjaysee]

With all the work WAS has done to get off Beals money, I would want them to get more than Maluach for eating another 20 million of dead money per year for the next 5 years.

They would not be stretch waiving, just waiving.

Tanking this season, youth building the following season, Beal contract drop off and they try to add a quality vet for 2027-2028 season.

OP is probably a fair asking price for 50~ million but Phoenix is better off sticking with their current plan imo.

[xdrta+]

I like it for GS, but as others have pointed out it doesn't work for the Suns. Not only can't they receive a S&T, they can't take back more salary than they send out, nor can they aggregate players, since they are still over the 2nd Apron after the trade.

[Laimbeer]

I liked Kispert and CJ for Beal and Maluach better.

[penbeast0]

I liked Kispert and CJ for Beal and Maluach better.

Happy to use CJ instead of Middleton if it works for the receiving team. The object is to get a center for the future for pieces that aren't part of that future.

[DirtyDez]

Nobody is trading for Beal because they don’t want to be in the same situation Phoenix is in where you don’t control your own asset. I still can’t believe Washington got out of that deal with a pick swap to boot. OP’s value is reasonable though.

[GatherStepGuru]

With all the work WAS has done to get off Beals money, I would want them to get more than Maluach for eating another 20 million of dead money per year for the next 5 years.

They would not be stretch waiving, just waiving.

Tanking this season, youth building the following season, Beal contract drop off and they try to add a quality vet for 2027-2028 season.

OP is probably a fair asking price for 50~ million but Phoenix is better off sticking with their current plan imo.

Waiving, but how much is Washington eating? I may be wrong, but Wash is on the hook for the difference between his new contract and the remainder of his old deal, no? Beal could take a minimum to go somewhere and chase a ring.

Can’t see Wash agreeing to eat that much money for Maluach alone. Rather let the vets mentor for a year and have cap space to go after Maluach-level players in the future.

[nate33]

I like it for GS, but as others have pointed out it doesn't work for the Suns. Not only can't they receive a S&T, they can't take back more salary than they send out, nor can they aggregate players, since they are still over the 2nd Apron after the trade.

I played with it a bit and the trade works if Kuminga's salary is equal to or less than $21.3M in the first year of his new deal. Maluach technically wouldn't be part of the trade. He would be traded into a Wizards TPE in a second transaction.

The question is, if Kuminga agreed to that low of number, would Golden State prefer to simply resign him to that?

[nate33]

With all the work WAS has done to get off Beals money, I would want them to get more than Maluach for eating another 20 million of dead money per year for the next 5 years.

They would not be stretch waiving, just waiving.

Tanking this season, youth building the following season, Beal contract drop off and they try to add a quality vet for 2027-2028 season.

OP is probably a fair asking price for 50~ million but Phoenix is better off sticking with their current plan imo.

Waiving, but how much is Washington eating? I may be wrong, but Wash is on the hook for the difference between his new contract and the remainder of his old deal, no? Beal could take a minimum to go somewhere and chase a ring.

Can’t see Wash agreeing to eat that much money for Maluach alone. Rather let the vets mentor for a year and have cap space to go after Maluach-level players in the future.

Ideally, Beal would work out a signing with a new team before the buyout is enacted. If Beal got a team to agree to signing him for the taxpayer MLE of $9M, then he would agree to shave $9M a year off his salary as part of the buyout. So instead of owing him $53M and $57M in the next two years respectively, they would owe him $44M and $48M.

All told, the Wizards would actually save $3M in cap this year (Beal's $44M minus Middleton's $33M and Kispert's $14M). Next year, they would pay an additional $34M (Beal's $48M minus Kispert's $14M). So ultimately, they're buying Maluach at a cost of $31M over 2 years (plus the cost of his actual salary).

[nate33]

I like it for GS, but as others have pointed out it doesn't work for the Suns. Not only can't they receive a S&T, they can't take back more salary than they send out, nor can they aggregate players, since they are still over the 2nd Apron after the trade.

Are you sure about this? My understanding is that the Suns couldn't execute a S&T where they send out one of their guys in a S&T for something in return. The logic is to make it real hard to execute any transaction that increases the payroll. I don't think the First Apron restricts a team from receiving a player that was sign-and-traded by another team.

The first apron generally doesn't discourage trade activity that doesn't result in a larger team payroll.

[xdrta+]

I like it for GS, but as others have pointed out it doesn't work for the Suns. Not only can't they receive a S&T, they can't take back more salary than they send out, nor can they aggregate players, since they are still over the 2nd Apron after the trade.

Are you sure about this? My understanding is that the Suns couldn't execute a S&T where they send out one of their guys in a S&T for something in return. The logic is to make it real hard to execute any transaction that increases the payroll. I don't think the First Apron restricts a team from receiving a player that was sign-and-traded by another team.

The first apron generally doesn't discourage trade activity that doesn't result in a larger team payroll.

The first Apron prohibits a team from receiving a player in an S&T and has since the 2017 CBA.

[penbeast0]

With all the work WAS has done to get off Beals money, I would want them to get more than Maluach for eating another 20 million of dead money per year for the next 5 years.

They would not be stretch waiving, just waiving.

Tanking this season, youth building the following season, Beal contract drop off and they try to add a quality vet for 2027-2028 season.

OP is probably a fair asking price for 50~ million but Phoenix is better off sticking with their current plan imo.

Waiving, but how much is Washington eating? I may be wrong, but Wash is on the hook for the difference between his new contract and the remainder of his old deal, no? Beal could take a minimum to go somewhere and chase a ring.

Can’t see Wash agreeing to eat that much money for Maluach alone. Rather let the vets mentor for a year and have cap space to go after Maluach-level players in the future.

None of our young guys are up for renewals next year so we can afford to sell cap space. That's why we are getting all our expirings to expire together. But, selling cap for Maluach is probably worth it; doubt we get a better deal (also doubt the Suns do this).

[nate33]

I like it for GS, but as others have pointed out it doesn't work for the Suns. Not only can't they receive a S&T, they can't take back more salary than they send out, nor can they aggregate players, since they are still over the 2nd Apron after the trade.

Are you sure about this? My understanding is that the Suns couldn't execute a S&T where they send out one of their guys in a S&T for something in return. The logic is to make it real hard to execute any transaction that increases the payroll. I don't think the First Apron restricts a team from receiving a player that was sign-and-traded by another team.

The first apron generally doesn't discourage trade activity that doesn't result in a larger team payroll.

The first Apron prohibits a team from receiving a player in an S&T and has since the 2017 CBA.

Bummer. Then the only way to do it is to absorb enough salary from Phoenix to get them under the First Apron. That's doable by absorbing Royce O'Neal into a TPE, but I don't think the Wizards want O'Neal's salary on the books for the next 3 years.