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To Chicago
Joan Beringer
Rob Dillignham
Mike Conley


To Minnesota
Coby White
Jalen Smith




The bulls get two recent 1st rounders. Is they don’t like the White extension they could do a lot worse than this. Berringer/Essengue/Buzelis/Giddey is a fun start


The Wolves need to replace Conley and get offence in place of NAW. White next to Edwards is a perfect fit. This makes Minnesota 9 deep

IMO Conley, Dillingham for Coby White is cleaner

Wolves aren't interested. They aren gonna move Conley and they are really high on Rob/Beringer. Don't think they'd be thrilled having to pay White either.

This feels like a huge overvaluation of White, especially after similar caliber players this offseason had no trade value at all. His contract is more reasonable, so Dillingham and filler feels fine to me, maybe some 2nds or other marginal value.

Wow this is a weird evaluation of Coby White tier players when Sexton and Simons were traded for virtually nothing.

I think if Minnesota wanted White, they could have offered Conley + #31 on draft night. Maybe they would have included #17? But I wouldn't.

I don't see the Wolves having any interest. Having to pay White next offseason makes this a non-starter. Even if you leave out the money aspect, I think Dillingham+Beringer is way more than Minnesota would be willing pay.

We can question whether #8 pick Dillingham was worth a 2031 unprotected 1st and a 2030 unprotected swap, but even if you think that’s too steep, it would be hard for MIN GM Tim Connelly to trade him for less, before he sees the court.

He’s on my “worth more to his GM than to others” list, so tough to include in a trade.

I am a Wolves fan high on White. What about DDV for White straight up?

I'm mixed on Coby White value. On one hand, we have seen non all star level scoring guards like Simons,Sexton,and recently Powell getting viewed as negative value on the market. On the other hand, I feel White is clearly better and/or has more upside than those guys. I really can't say if this is a overpay, fair value, or a underpay. I guess it depend how Coby White is viewed. If he's viewed more as a 6th man around the NBA, this trade is a overpay. If he's viewed as more of proper 3rd or 4th option guy, then it's arguable this is a underpay.

I normally don't like trading Jalen Smith but until they trade Vucevic giving the rookie a slow start behind Collins is a good move.

Dillingham isn't as big a prize for the Bulls as they do intend on keeping Josh Giddey as the PG, they just resigned Tre Jones as the backup. Do you ever look at the Bulls roster before sending them your castoffs? For Dillinger to play in the next 3 years would really need to serve as a shooter, pushing Dosunmu and Huerter to the bench, is he that good of a shooter right now? Mike Conley barely lands at O'Hare before he gets cut.

What about White, Smith, Ayo, and Buzelis or Vuc, Buzelis, and White for Garland.

ChettheJet wrote:I normally don't like trading Jalen Smith but until they trade Vucevic giving the rookie a slow start behind Collins is a good move.

Dillingham isn't as big a prize for the Bulls as they do intend on keeping Josh Giddey as the PG, they just resigned Tre Jones as the backup. Do you ever look at the Bulls roster before sending them your castoffs? For Dillinger to play in the next 3 years would really need to serve as a shooter, pushing Dosunmu and Huerter to the bench, is he that good of a shooter right now? Mike Conley barely lands at O'Hare before he gets cut.

Calling a 2nd year PG who was drafted 8th a “cast-off” is a bit disingenuous. The Wolves traded for an extra guard (DDV) right before the season started and they had minutes issues.

Not signing up for this trade at all and he may not be as valuable to the Bulls in their situation as he may be to other teams, but Dilly isn’t a cast-off.

I don't like Dillingham for Chi. Of course, he has talent but we need bigger guards

I suggested White for #17/Conley plus Shannon. Now, seems like White's value has dropped

Being honest, I think Coby White's value is probably closer to Mike Conley, Leonard Miller (effectively filler), and a couple seconds.

Personally, I don't think that Chicago should trade him for that, but the market for that specific archetype of player - especially those who are expiring - seems a bit shaky. Prior to the NBA Draft, I would have considered Mike Conely, Josh Minott, and #17 for Coby White, though, so I could be wrong about my valuation of him.

Domejandro wrote:Being honest, I think Coby White's value is probably closer to Mike Conley, Leonard Miller (effectively filler), and a couple seconds.

Personally, I don't think that Chicago should trade him for that, but the market for that specific archetype of player - especially those who are expiring - seems a bit shaky. Prior to the NBA Draft, I would have considered Mike Conely, Josh Minott, and #17 for Coby White, though, so I could be wrong about my valuation of him.

I don’t think that’s a particularly good read of White’s value.

But Terrance Shannon and future swaps can probably bridge the gap.

Coby White isn't really a PG, just PG size.

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:

Domejandro wrote:Being honest, I think Coby White's value is probably closer to Mike Conley, Leonard Miller (effectively filler), and a couple seconds.

Personally, I don't think that Chicago should trade him for that, but the market for that specific archetype of player - especially those who are expiring - seems a bit shaky. Prior to the NBA Draft, I would have considered Mike Conely, Josh Minott, and #17 for Coby White, though, so I could be wrong about my valuation of him.

I don’t think that’s a particularly good read of White’s value.

But Terrance Shannon and future swaps can probably bridge the gap.

I guess I'm curious then what you see as the big differentiator for White's value vs what Simons, Sexton, and Powell all recently moved for. He certainly makes less at only $12.9M this year, so I can see how that might provide some additional value vs the other guys, but none of those other guys brought back even 2nd rounders. Maybe Nurkic and Collins are more useful players than Conley for this year?

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:

Domejandro wrote:Being honest, I think Coby White's value is probably closer to Mike Conley, Leonard Miller (effectively filler), and a couple seconds.

Personally, I don't think that Chicago should trade him for that, but the market for that specific archetype of player - especially those who are expiring - seems a bit shaky. Prior to the NBA Draft, I would have considered Mike Conely, Josh Minott, and #17 for Coby White, though, so I could be wrong about my valuation of him.

I don’t think that’s a particularly good read of White’s value.

But Terrance Shannon and future swaps can probably bridge the gap.

Why pay all that for a guy due an extension and is essentially neutral value at best at that point? Shannon is paid nothing for 3 more years. I’ll keep him instead, let alone adding swaps.

jscott wrote:

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:

Domejandro wrote:Being honest, I think Coby White's value is probably closer to Mike Conley, Leonard Miller (effectively filler), and a couple seconds.

Personally, I don't think that Chicago should trade him for that, but the market for that specific archetype of player - especially those who are expiring - seems a bit shaky. Prior to the NBA Draft, I would have considered Mike Conely, Josh Minott, and #17 for Coby White, though, so I could be wrong about my valuation of him.

I don’t think that’s a particularly good read of White’s value.

But Terrance Shannon and future swaps can probably bridge the gap.

Why pay all that for a guy due an extension and is essentially neutral value at best at that point? Shannon is paid nothing for 3 more years. I’ll keep him instead, let alone adding swaps.

The Wolves should keep their young, cost controlled assets vs trading for a guy that is likely going to get a hefty extension given how much salary they already have on the books, but saying Coby is neutral value at best is a gross undervalue of his talent.

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jscott wrote:

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
I don’t think that’s a particularly good read of White’s value.

But Terrance Shannon and future swaps can probably bridge the gap.

Why pay all that for a guy due an extension and is essentially neutral value at best at that point? Shannon is paid nothing for 3 more years. I’ll keep him instead, let alone adding swaps.

The Wolves should keep their young, cost controlled assets vs trading for a guy that is likely going to get a hefty extension given how much salary they already have on the books, but saying Coby is neutral value at best is a gross undervalue of his talent.

*When he signs his extension…

He’ll be neutral value at best.

You even referenced the extension on your post.

(FWIW - I don’t have him at positive value right now due to the looming extension. See the highlights section in the quote for clarification)