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1.

CLE TRADES: Garland

BKY TRADES: Sharpe

Cavs lower lux tax and clear cap for Lebron.

Nets get a PG and add some talent to their team....either to try and be competitive or flip for add. assets to rebuild.


2.

CLE TRADES: Strus, Wade


LAL TRADES: Lebron, Bronny

Cavs get Lebron without depleting the roster....Lakers move on from Lebron and start to rebuild around Luka.

The Cavs aren't trading Garland, Strus, and Wade for LBJ and Bronny. First off, they're not going to just gift the Nets a 25-year old 2X all star for cap space.

Second off trade 2 isn't legal. Even though the first trade drops them below the aprons, you still have to comply with the 125% rule and this isn't close.

There's no urgency on the part of the Cavs to gut their team, and further compromise their future, in order to pay a 40-year old LBJ $53M this season. LBJ coming home for a farewell tour is a discussion that can happen next summer.

If LeBron wants to go back home to wrap up his career, it's probably gonna happen.

It's still questionable that's what he wants, though.

Trade 1 is atleast 2-3 unprotected 1st round picks short. I don't even see the Cavaliers trading Garland in order to fit in a 40 year Lebron James anyway, but even if they wanted to, the value is simply way too light on the Nets side for the Cavaliers to consider this at all.

Trade 2 is okay from a trade value standpoint I guess, but I think Max Strus is more valuable than Lebron at this point. However this trade is not legal anyway because the Cavaliers would have to send out more salary than they're taking back since they would still be a 1st apron after the Garland trade. So this means the Cavaliers would have to send out far more players than what you trade suggested, which at point would a massive overpay for Cavaliers and simply not worth it at all.

Like I mentioned before, I don't see any path Lebron returns to Cavaliers this season, unless him and the Lakers agree to buyout before the start of season, which I don't see a way that happens, unless the relationship degrades much further than it already has.

facothomas22 wrote:Trade 1 is atleast 2-3 unprotected 1st round picks short. I don't even see the Cavaliers trading Garland in order to fit in a 40 year Lebron James anyway, but even if they wanted to, the value is simply way too light on the Nets side for the Cavaliers to consider this at all.

Trade 2 is okay from a trade value standpoint I guess, but I think Max Strus is more valuable than Lebron at this point. However this trade is not legal anyway because the Cavaliers would have to send out more salary than they're taking back since they would still be a 1st apron after the Garland trade. So this means the Cavaliers would have to send out far more players than what you trade suggested, which at point would a massive overpay for Cavaliers and simply not worth it at all.

Like I mentioned before, I don't see any path Lebron returns to Cavaliers this season, unless him and the Lakers agree to buyout before the start of season, which I don't see a way that happens, unless the relationship degrades much further than it already has.

What? Strus a, what, top 5 player in the league all of a sudden?
Now I dont think cavs should rock the boat this much yet and think they should gove it another season, but sayong strus is a better player then lebron is insane

This is what it might realistically looks like IF the Cavs were willing to give up value for LeBron:
CLE out: Garland, Hunter, Strus
CLE in: LeBron, Bronny

LAL out: LeBron, Bronny
LAL in: MPJ, Strus

Nets out: MPJ
Nets in: Garland, Hunter

Cavs can aggregate only because the trade gets them under the 2nd apron, and with enough space to sign the rest of the roster to minimums. They get LeBron and get out of the 2nd apron, for now. Mitchell-Ball-LeBron-Mobley-Allen, CPJ-Merrill-Tyson-Wade-Nance as the rotation guys. A backcourt starting spot is open for a ring-chaser if Lillard or Beal are interested. I don't think the Cavs are willing to pay this much, but it's the closest thing to realistic that they'd be willing to pay. (Bronny, Proctor, 2x vet mins as the rest of the 14-man roster.)

The Lakers don't need Garland with Luka + Reaves, so they instead grab a couple guys that can produce off-ball.

The Nets turn space into an all-star.

I think Cleveland and the Lakers both lose on value here, so the Nets owe something. Recent draftees? Claxton to LAL for Vando+Vincent? Whatever.

the_process wrote:If LeBron wants to go back home to wrap up his career, it's probably gonna happen.

It's still questionable that's what he wants, though.

Pretty much this. He clearly did not want to come home enough to give up $53M right now, which is understandable. If, as some Lakers fans have suggested, the Lakers are prepared to pay him max, or near max money until he retires, he may never want to leave. That seems like a bad bluff to me, but if I'm wrong, he may retire a Laker and collect another $100M before he does so.

facothomas22 wrote:Trade 1 is atleast 2-3 unprotected 1st round picks short. I don't even see the Cavaliers trading Garland in order to fit in a 40 year Lebron James anyway, but even if they wanted to, the value is simply way too light on the Nets side for the Cavaliers to consider this at all.

Trade 2 is okay from a trade value standpoint I guess, but I think Max Strus is more valuable than Lebron at this point. However this trade is not legal anyway because the Cavaliers would have to send out more salary than they're taking back since they would still be a 1st apron after the Garland trade. So this means the Cavaliers would have to send out far more players than what you trade suggested, which at point would a massive overpay for Cavaliers and simply not worth it at all.

Like I mentioned before, I don't see any path Lebron returns to Cavaliers this season, unless him and the Lakers agree to buyout before the start of season, which I don't see a way that happens, unless the relationship degrades much further than it already has.

Mods, there is no way the phrase above isn't trolling. Come on man. This guy does this in every single Lakers thread. It's annoying.

toooskies wrote:This is what it might realistically looks like IF the Cavs were willing to give up value for LeBron:
CLE out: Garland, Hunter, Strus
CLE in: LeBron, Bronny

LAL out: LeBron, Bronny
LAL in: MPJ, Strus

Nets out: MPJ
Nets in: Garland, Hunter

Cavs can aggregate only because the trade gets them under the 2nd apron, and with enough space to sign the rest of the roster to minimums. They get LeBron and get out of the 2nd apron, for now. Mitchell-Ball-LeBron-Mobley-Allen, CPJ-Merrill-Tyson-Wade-Nance as the rotation guys. A backcourt starting spot is open for a ring-chaser if Lillard or Beal are interested. I don't think the Cavs are willing to pay this much, but it's the closest thing to realistic that they'd be willing to pay. (Bronny, Proctor, 2x vet mins as the rest of the 14-man roster.)

The Lakers don't need Garland with Luka + Reaves, so they instead grab a couple guys that can produce off-ball.

The Nets turn space into an all-star.

I think Cleveland and the Lakers both lose on value here, so the Nets owe something. Recent draftees? Claxton to LAL for Vando+Vincent? Whatever.

Yeah, I wouldn't do anything like this and it sure doesn't sound like the Cavs would either.

However, if the Cavs were to trade Garland to Brooklyn to facilitate an LBJ trade this summer, picks, and a lot of them need to come back to Cleveland because they just further mortgaged their future while owing 4 years of draft capital to other teams.

I really don't think the Cavs F.O. entertains it though. I'm sure the door is open for a return, but I don't see it happening with him on a max deal.

Apz wrote:

facothomas22 wrote:Trade 1 is atleast 2-3 unprotected 1st round picks short. I don't even see the Cavaliers trading Garland in order to fit in a 40 year Lebron James anyway, but even if they wanted to, the value is simply way too light on the Nets side for the Cavaliers to consider this at all.

Trade 2 is okay from a trade value standpoint I guess, but I think Max Strus is more valuable than Lebron at this point. However this trade is not legal anyway because the Cavaliers would have to send out more salary than they're taking back since they would still be a 1st apron after the Garland trade. So this means the Cavaliers would have to send out far more players than what you trade suggested, which at point would a massive overpay for Cavaliers and simply not worth it at all.

Like I mentioned before, I don't see any path Lebron returns to Cavaliers this season, unless him and the Lakers agree to buyout before the start of season, which I don't see a way that happens, unless the relationship degrades much further than it already has.

What? Strus a, what, top 5 player in the league all of a sudden?
Now I dont think cavs should rock the boat this much yet and think they should gove it another season, but sayong strus is a better player then lebron is insane

In no way I'm saying Max Strus is a better player than Lebron. Not even close. Max Strus is just a role player, while Lebron is still a all NBA level player. However once you take age, contract and injury history into considering, it's arguable that Max Strus is more valuable than Lebron James. Max Strus could stick around for another 5 years, while we all know Lebron is retiring within the next 2 or at most 3 years. I would rather have Max Strus for 5 years, even more so when you consider the Cavaliers would have to trade more than him anyway just to legally match salaries than 1-3 years of Lebron.

facothomas22 wrote:

Apz wrote:

facothomas22 wrote:Trade 1 is atleast 2-3 unprotected 1st round picks short. I don't even see the Cavaliers trading Garland in order to fit in a 40 year Lebron James anyway, but even if they wanted to, the value is simply way too light on the Nets side for the Cavaliers to consider this at all.

Trade 2 is okay from a trade value standpoint I guess, but I think Max Strus is more valuable than Lebron at this point. However this trade is not legal anyway because the Cavaliers would have to send out more salary than they're taking back since they would still be a 1st apron after the Garland trade. So this means the Cavaliers would have to send out far more players than what you trade suggested, which at point would a massive overpay for Cavaliers and simply not worth it at all.

Like I mentioned before, I don't see any path Lebron returns to Cavaliers this season, unless him and the Lakers agree to buyout before the start of season, which I don't see a way that happens, unless the relationship degrades much further than it already has.

What? Strus a, what, top 5 player in the league all of a sudden?
Now I dont think cavs should rock the boat this much yet and think they should gove it another season, but sayong strus is a better player then lebron is insane

In no way I'm saying Max Strus is a better player than Lebron. Not even close. Max Strus is just a role player, while Lebron is still a all NBA level player. However once you take age, contract and injury history into considering, it's arguable that Max Strus is more valuable than Lebron James. Max Strus could stick around for another 5 years, while we all know Lebron is retiring within the next 2 or at most 3 years. I would rather have Max Strus for 5 years, even more so when you consider the Cavaliers would have to trade more than him anyway just to legally match salaries than 1-3 years of Lebron.

But you only get Max for two years and his contract's up. And if Cleveland is sitting with the same roster, they probably let him walk.

toooskies wrote:This is what it might realistically looks like IF the Cavs were willing to give up value for LeBron:
CLE out: Garland, Hunter, Strus
CLE in: LeBron, Bronny

LAL out: LeBron, Bronny
LAL in: MPJ, Strus

Nets out: MPJ
Nets in: Garland, Hunter

Cavs can aggregate only because the trade gets them under the 2nd apron, and with enough space to sign the rest of the roster to minimums. They get LeBron and get out of the 2nd apron, for now. Mitchell-Ball-LeBron-Mobley-Allen, CPJ-Merrill-Tyson-Wade-Nance as the rotation guys. A backcourt starting spot is open for a ring-chaser if Lillard or Beal are interested. I don't think the Cavs are willing to pay this much, but it's the closest thing to realistic that they'd be willing to pay. (Bronny, Proctor, 2x vet mins as the rest of the 14-man roster.)

The Lakers don't need Garland with Luka + Reaves, so they instead grab a couple guys that can produce off-ball.

The Nets turn space into an all-star.

I think Cleveland and the Lakers both lose on value here, so the Nets owe something. Recent draftees? Claxton to LAL for Vando+Vincent? Whatever.

Something like this but yeah Nets give FRP or so to Cavs.

toooskies wrote:

facothomas22 wrote:

Apz wrote:
What? Strus a, what, top 5 player in the league all of a sudden?
Now I dont think cavs should rock the boat this much yet and think they should gove it another season, but sayong strus is a better player then lebron is insane

In no way I'm saying Max Strus is a better player than Lebron. Not even close. Max Strus is just a role player, while Lebron is still a all NBA level player. However once you take age, contract and injury history into considering, it's arguable that Max Strus is more valuable than Lebron James. Max Strus could stick around for another 5 years, while we all know Lebron is retiring within the next 2 or at most 3 years. I would rather have Max Strus for 5 years, even more so when you consider the Cavaliers would have to trade more than him anyway just to legally match salaries than 1-3 years of Lebron.

But you only get Max for two years and his contract's up. And if Cleveland is sitting with the same roster, they probably let him walk.

The only way the Cavs have the exact same roster two years from this summer is if they get to the Finals next season, and then it's really hard to say who's staying and who's going.

Nets my alternative take on Brooklyn aiding Lebron to CLE:

BRK sends Mann, 4 future 2nds for Hunter, Strus, 2 future 1sts

CLE sends Garland, Hunter, Strus and a future 1st for James, James and 2 future 2nds

LAL sends James, James and a future 1st for Garland, Mann and 2 future 2nds

ecuhus1981 wrote:Nets my alternative take on Brooklyn aiding Lebron to CLE:

BRK sends Mann, 4 future 2nds for Hunter, Strus, 2 future 1sts

CLE sends Garland, Hunter, Strus and a future 1st for James, James and 2 future 2nds

LAL sends James, James and a future 1st for Garland, Mann and 2 future 2nds

What future 1st do you want from Cleveland? An unprotected 2031 pick? Why would Cleveland trade Garland, Hunter, Strus, and a 2031 unprotected 1st round pick for a 41 year old LeBron James with 1 year on his contract?

None of this makes sense for Cleveland. The Cavs won over 60 games last year. They are a clear favorite to win the East.