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combination of two separate trades:

BOS OUT: A. Simons, P. Pritchard, S. Hauser
BOS IN: J. Ivey, D. Robinson, 18 M USD CAP RELIEF
Fix the Apron issue, add a valuable young player

MIL OUT: K. Kuzma, MIL '26 FRP (TOP10 PROTECTED)
MIL IN: A. Simons
find replacement for Dame, free cap space for next year FAcy

CHI OUT: P. Williams, CHI '26 FRP (TOP15 PROTECTED)
CHI IN: K. Kuzma
get rid of PW, add more scoring ability

CHA OUT: G. Williams
CHA IN: P. Williams, CHI '26 FRP (TOP15 PROTECTED)
eat more salary but receives a compensation in terms of draft capital

DET OUT: J. Ivey, D. Robinson
DET IN: G. Williams, P. Pritchard, S. Hauser, MIL '26 FRP (TOP10 PROTECTED)
get a true PG, a cheaper shooter than D.Robinson (17 M$ VS 10 M$ of Hauser), draft compensation for extra money received in incoming salary

Is Kuzma going to be the 3 or the 4? Because Buzelis is going to be the 4 and I seriously doubt the Bulls want Kuzma taking shots from him for 2 years and then time from Essengue in year two. That's ignoring that they sure don't want to give even a potential pick to do it while giving up their best front court defensive player. Just leave the Bulls out of this

Bulls are getting hosed the worst here. Even with getting off PWill for a 1st, they’re forced to take Kuz for free.

As for Detroit, I don’t think moving Ivey for parts (and taking on Grant Williams) is the plan. I see the reasoning, but I don’t think it happens.

So much about this scenario is wrong but let's start with Payton Pritchard being a true point guard.

CHI overpaying to shed PWillians but take on Kuzma. Their long term cap sheet is too clean to pay this to save future money. And while PWilliams has a pretty inconspicuous game, Kuzma plays the kind of style that takes away from other players. If the cost was some 2nds I think CHI should do it, but no where near this price.

Is MIL able to trade that pick? If so, I guess it's fair if they project it to be in the 20s, which seems fair since I believe it'd be worst of them and Atlanta. Simons fits better than Kuzma and they save a good chunk of money next year.

Seems like good value for CHA and on first glance feels fine for their cap sheet.

For DET, I kind of like it. I think DRob for Hauser would be an upgrade and cost savings. I'm not a big Ivey guy so him for Pritchard/pick even with GWilliams coming back seems like a clear win for me. If they still value Ivey as an ascending player with top 5 draft pedigree though then I think they scoff at this. Pritchard definitely isn't a "true PG" though, not that they should care since that archetype is the most overrated position on forums like this. Fans love that archetype of "true PG" but unless that player is actually a true scorer too it's terrible for your offense to give anyone the ball enough to be a "true PG".

For BOS, I don't like the value because I'm not an Ivey guy, but this does get them within duck the tax range so that value needs to be factored in. I just hope they don't go this direction, not that it would even be available to them IMO because DET will overvalue Ivey.

I'll just say this; Respectfully, this trade will look absurd by December.

Ivey is by far and away the best player listed, and he's combined with Duncan, for spare parts. Also for Grant Williams. Good grief.

tmorgan wrote:Bulls are getting hosed the worst here. Even with getting off PWill for a 1st, they’re forced to take Kuz for free.

As for Detroit, I don’t think moving Ivey for parts (and taking on Grant Williams) is the plan. I see the reasoning, but I don’t think it happens.

Agree on Bulls. They turn Williams into Kuzma at the cost of a FRP. I think you pull that pick out and have Bucks send a second to Charlotte.

zeebneeb wrote:I'll just say this; Respectfully, this trade will look absurd by December.

Ivey is by far and away the best player listed, and he's combined with Duncan, for spare parts. Also for Grant Williams. Good grief.

It looks absurd now.

zeebneeb wrote:I'll just say this; Respectfully, this trade will look absurd by December.

Ivey is by far and away the best player listed, and he's combined with Duncan, for spare parts. Also for Grant Williams. Good grief.

You said it Zeeb. The rest of the league forgot about Ivey after he broke his leg. He’ll be back 100% and make this trade look silly.

Also, Pistons had a chance already to pick up Hauser for nothing. They chose Robinson instead. There’s a reason for that - Robinson is a better player.

Lastly, Pistons already have a true PG

theBigLip wrote:

zeebneeb wrote:I'll just say this; Respectfully, this trade will look absurd by December.

Ivey is by far and away the best player listed, and he's combined with Duncan, for spare parts. Also for Grant Williams. Good grief.

You said it Zeeb. The rest of the league forgot about Ivey after he broke his leg. He’ll be back 100% and make this trade look silly.

Also, Pistons had a chance already to pick up Hauser for nothing. They chose Robinson instead. There’s a reason for that - Robinson is a better player.

Lastly, Pistons already have a true PG

What are you talking about “Hauser for nothing?” When could they have done that? Robinson also isn’t a better player, there isn’t a single metric that supports that. The rest of the league also didn’t forget, they remember the first two years in the league more so than a thirty game sample.

zeebneeb wrote:I'll just say this; Respectfully, this trade will look absurd by December.

Ivey is by far and away the best player listed, and he's combined with Duncan, for spare parts. Also for Grant Williams. Good grief.

Spare parts is a odd way to describe someone coming off a sixth man of the year award. Even if healthy and continued the same play Ivey wouldn’t have come close to sniffing the eight and a half plus win share that Pritchard posted last season. Ivey has done nothing so far in the league to warrant that hype. Besides the fact he coming back from a broken leg in a contract year.

pass on being stuck with a second more expensive Josh Green on 3x the contract

Patsfan1081 wrote:

zeebneeb wrote:I'll just say this; Respectfully, this trade will look absurd by December.

Ivey is by far and away the best player listed, and he's combined with Duncan, for spare parts. Also for Grant Williams. Good grief.

Spare parts is a odd way to describe someone coming off a sixth man of the year award. Even if healthy and continued the same play Ivey wouldn’t have come close to sniffing the eight and a half plus win share that Pritchard posted last season. Ivey has done nothing so far in the league to warrant that hype. Besides the fact he coming back from a broken leg in a contract year.

Ivey will be coming back just fine. Broken leg is a simple injury, not an ACL or achilles. Just keep pritchard. And make sure to bring up this thread during the season so we can see who was right

Boston is not giving up anything, warranting getting Ivey and dumping SImons.

I think gambling on Ivey's upside makes more sense for Detroit than selling him off like this.

Kalamazoo317 wrote:I think gambling on Ivey's upside makes more sense for Detroit than selling him off like this.

I think the current value of Ivey is higher than what the Pistons are receiving. If the Pistons move Ivey, it’s in a trade up for a player of greater impact. This deal doesn’t do it. Trading Ivey for lesser parts, no real value able draft compensation and taking on bad salary makes zero sense.

DetroitDon15 wrote:

Kalamazoo317 wrote:I think gambling on Ivey's upside makes more sense for Detroit than selling him off like this.

I think the current value of Ivey is higher than what the Pistons are receiving. If the Pistons move Ivey, it’s in a trade up for a player of greater impact. This deal doesn’t do it. Trading Ivey for lesser parts, no real value able draft compensation and taking on bad salary makes zero sense.

Pritchard and a pick is not enough value for Ivey?
That’s insane thinking to me.
How is Ivey any better than Pritchard?
He is 4 years younger than her so there is that upside that is worth some value, but the pick more than makes up for that imo.
I get that you might want to include Ivey and picks for a player of higher impact, but this is great value for Ivey. You could turn this package around for a player of higher impact.

Bucks get the worst pick out of a swap between New Orleans and Atlanta, likely that's still in the 20s. Not really interested in attaching a pick to Kuzma to dump him tho, Bucks need an athletic wing player way more than a small guard that likes to shoot. Bucks at the 1 signed Kevin Porter Jr, Ryan Rollins, and Cole Anthony this offseason. At the 2 there is AJ Green and Gary Trent Jr and a lot of people want undersized Trent to play more 3.

Warspite wrote:

zeebneeb wrote:I'll just say this; Respectfully, this trade will look absurd by December.

Ivey is by far and away the best player listed, and he's combined with Duncan, for spare parts. Also for Grant Williams. Good grief.

It looks absurd now.

Agreed, why is Boston trading good players for Ivey when they already have the 4 year older version in Simons?

brackdan70 wrote:

DetroitDon15 wrote:

Kalamazoo317 wrote:I think gambling on Ivey's upside makes more sense for Detroit than selling him off like this.

I think the current value of Ivey is higher than what the Pistons are receiving. If the Pistons move Ivey, it’s in a trade up for a player of greater impact. This deal doesn’t do it. Trading Ivey for lesser parts, no real value able draft compensation and taking on bad salary makes zero sense.

Pritchard and a pick is not enough value for Ivey?
That’s insane thinking to me.
How is Ivey any better than Pritchard?
He is 4 years younger than her so there is that upside that is worth some value, but the pick more than makes up for that imo.
I get that you might want to include Ivey and picks for a player of higher impact, but this is great value for Ivey. You could turn this package around for a player of higher impact.

Ivey is one of the best athletes in the league. He had a wasted year w a historically bad coach, followed up w 30 great games and then the broken leg. This year will be his coming out party. His ceiling is so much higher than Pritchard’s.