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Blazers(stay serious after adding Dame & Jrue to Avdija in successive offseasons)
Lauri

Jazz (deepen tank after subtracting Sexton & Collins)
J. Grant
Camara
2028 Magic 1st (unprotected)
2030 Blazers/Bucks (more favorable) 1st
J. Green
2026 Magic 1st via Charlotte (24 on Tankathon)

Hornets (get a starting C)
RW III

Pass for POR.

Too rich for Lauri.

No no no. Horrible for Portland. I’m already worried about what bringing Dame back does to the defense. Swapping Camara (and Grant) for Lauri just makes the defense way worse.

I don’t do Camara by himself for Lauri.
I don’t do the more favorable pick of 2030 alone for Lauri.

Grant, RWIII and the Magic pick is about the highest I go, and I add a top 4 protection to that pick in case things go crazy.

Myth wrote:No no no. Horrible for Portland. I’m already worried about what bringing Dame back does to the defense. Swapping Camara (and Grant) for Lauri just makes the defense way worse.

I don’t do Camara by himself for Lauri.
I don’t do the more favorable pick of 2030 alone for Lauri.

Grant, RWIII and the Magic pick is about the highest I go, and I add a top 4 protection to that pick in case things go crazy.

I guess I'd want to add firepower to Dame given Jrue - Avdija - Clingan are excellent defensively. That trio doesn't carry enough gravity on offense.

MasterIchiro wrote:

Myth wrote:No no no. Horrible for Portland. I’m already worried about what bringing Dame back does to the defense. Swapping Camara (and Grant) for Lauri just makes the defense way worse.

I don’t do Camara by himself for Lauri.
I don’t do the more favorable pick of 2030 alone for Lauri.

Grant, RWIII and the Magic pick is about the highest I go, and I add a top 4 protection to that pick in case things go crazy.

I guess I'd want to add firepower to Dame given Jrue - Avdija - Clingan are excellent defensively. That trio doesn't carry enough gravity on offense.

If a team isn’t balanced on both offense and defense (e.g., 2024 Celtics), I’m a much bigger believer in a defensive team carried by a little offense (Rose’s Bulls) than an offensive team with only a couple defenders. This was how I think Blazers failed Lillard in his prime. He needed more defenders around him, not help on offense. Sharpe is also an offense only player. We can’t survive with just a few defenders picking up the slack of multiple bad (some atrocious) defenders. If that was the goal, we could have just kept Simons.

And this is before we get to I think the value is also off.

Myth wrote:

MasterIchiro wrote:

Myth wrote:No no no. Horrible for Portland. I’m already worried about what bringing Dame back does to the defense. Swapping Camara (and Grant) for Lauri just makes the defense way worse.

I don’t do Camara by himself for Lauri.
I don’t do the more favorable pick of 2030 alone for Lauri.

Grant, RWIII and the Magic pick is about the highest I go, and I add a top 4 protection to that pick in case things go crazy.

I guess I'd want to add firepower to Dame given Jrue - Avdija - Clingan are excellent defensively. That trio doesn't carry enough gravity on offense.

If a team isn’t balanced on both offense and defense (e.g., 2024 Celtics), I’m a much bigger believer in a defensive team carried by a little offense (Rose’s Bulls) than an offensive team with only a couple defenders. This was how I think Blazers failed Lillard in his prime. He needed more defenders around him, not help on offense. Sharpe is also an offense only player. We can’t survive with just a few defenders picking up the slack of multiple bad (some atrocious) defenders. If that was the goal, we could have just kept Simons.

And this is before we get to I think the value is also off.

I'd say Jazz need 1 first for taking Grant alone.

Then 1 prospect (Camara) + 1 first for Lauri to become #2 scoring option after Dame in the starting lineup.

3 of 5 starters can defend.

MasterIchiro wrote:

Myth wrote:

MasterIchiro wrote:
I guess I'd want to add firepower to Dame given Jrue - Avdija - Clingan are excellent defensively. That trio doesn't carry enough gravity on offense.

If a team isn’t balanced on both offense and defense (e.g., 2024 Celtics), I’m a much bigger believer in a defensive team carried by a little offense (Rose’s Bulls) than an offensive team with only a couple defenders. This was how I think Blazers failed Lillard in his prime. He needed more defenders around him, not help on offense. Sharpe is also an offense only player. We can’t survive with just a few defenders picking up the slack of multiple bad (some atrocious) defenders. If that was the goal, we could have just kept Simons.

And this is before we get to I think the value is also off.

I'd say Jazz need 1 first for taking Grant alone.

Then 1 prospect (Camara) + 1 first for Lauri to become #2 scoring option after Dame in the starting lineup.

3 of 5 starters can defend.

No offense to you, but I don't believe you know anything about Camara if you're assuming he's some prospect to throw into a deal. That guy is the real deal, and you could make an argument he will be Portland's best player next season.

Considering contract, age and overall impact, I probably wouldn't trade Camara for Markkanen straight up.

BigGargamel wrote:

MasterIchiro wrote:

Myth wrote:If a team isn’t balanced on both offense and defense (e.g., 2024 Celtics), I’m a much bigger believer in a defensive team carried by a little offense (Rose’s Bulls) than an offensive team with only a couple defenders. This was how I think Blazers failed Lillard in his prime. He needed more defenders around him, not help on offense. Sharpe is also an offense only player. We can’t survive with just a few defenders picking up the slack of multiple bad (some atrocious) defenders. If that was the goal, we could have just kept Simons.

And this is before we get to I think the value is also off.

I'd say Jazz need 1 first for taking Grant alone.

Then 1 prospect (Camara) + 1 first for Lauri to become #2 scoring option after Dame in the starting lineup.

3 of 5 starters can defend.

No offense to you, but I don't believe you know anything about Camara if you're assuming he's some prospect to throw into a deal. That guy is the real deal, and you could make an argument he will be Portland's best player next season.

Considering contract, age and overall impact, I probably wouldn't trade Camara for Markkanen straight up.

No offense taken.

I'm assuming Ainge is well aware of Camara's value so Danny is insisting on a legit prospect for Lauri in addition to an unprotected 1st.

The other 1st in the proposal is value he might demand for taking Grant.

MasterIchiro wrote:

BigGargamel wrote:

MasterIchiro wrote:
I'd say Jazz need 1 first for taking Grant alone.

Then 1 prospect (Camara) + 1 first for Lauri to become #2 scoring option after Dame in the starting lineup.

3 of 5 starters can defend.

No offense to you, but I don't believe you know anything about Camara if you're assuming he's some prospect to throw into a deal. That guy is the real deal, and you could make an argument he will be Portland's best player next season.

Considering contract, age and overall impact, I probably wouldn't trade Camara for Markkanen straight up.

No offense taken.

I'm assuming Ainge is well aware of Camara's value so Danny is insisting on a legit prospect for Lauri in addition to an unprotected 1st.

The other 1st in the proposal is value he might demand for taking Grant.

I consider Lauri a neutral at best on that contract, but arguably negative on that contract. He’s a productive player, coming off an inefficient season, who is overpaid. Grant is a productive player, but less so than Lauri, also coming off an efficient season, who is overpaid, but owed less than Lauri. The most value I add is the 1 1st to swap the 2 and then matching salary filler. The difference between Grant and Lauri on their contracts is not Camara and 3 unprotected 1sts. That is a massive overpay.

Markannen makes 50ish mil... Shoots 42.3% from 2 and 34.6% from 3 and is a suck defender

Camara makes 1.8 million... Shoots 45.8% from 2 and 38.5% from 3 and is one of the best defenders in the league

Then the blazers are sending out an expiring in rw3 two 1sts one of which will be a lotto pick and Grant who has a similarly bad contract to Markannen

This just does not look like good team or asset management to me

Uhhh Utah gotta send 1sts out to get rid of Markkanen's contract....

Lol Camara and 3 firsts to swap Lauri for Grant? That seems so unbelievably far off.

I know it’s all about Portland overpaying.. but who has Timelord worth a late first and cap space? Feel like CLT is owed a decent 2nd here at least…

That first is probanly really late and has very low upside, but if Paolo or Franz miss a lot of time - it could easily be in the late teens.

Yeah, I love TL more than most but no way he is bringing back a 1st. I'm still happy to keep him despite him not having any value (similar to Thybulle), as I personally find value in having those players in the rotation but they aren't trade assets.

I think Camara should be taken out of this, as should the RWill piece. The problem is, I think Lauri is more than two firsts valuable than Grant, so the RWill piece really filled the gap.

I'll echo the Camara for Lauri piece is DOA, so this deal is DOA.

I'd rather pay Camara. I'd rather play Camara as well.

Wow this is disgusting for Portland, no offense.

Camara is untouchable. Lauri is worth a mid to late first.

I like this a lot more without Camera. A productive player on a rough contract, plus a couple mystery picks feels about right

MasterIchiro wrote:Blazers(stay serious after adding Dame & Jrue to Avdija in successive offseasons)
Lauri

Jazz (deepen tank after subtracting Sexton & Collins)
J. Grant
Camara
2028 Magic 1st (unprotected)
2030 Blazers/Bucks (more favorable) 1st
J. Green
2026 Magic 1st via Charlotte (24 on Tankathon)

Hornets (get a starting C)
RW III

Absolutely not. Not even in the realm of being close.

Lauri for Grant + RWIII is the most that Id consider

Lauri & Grant have similar value. Both are massively overpaid for what they bring. Lauri is a better player, but he also makes 50% more