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Jazz
Kyle Anderson (2x$9m)
For
Gabe Vincent & Maxi Kleber
+ 2032 LAL 2nd & 2032 MEM 2nd

Utah adds to their current payroll to get out of Anderson's deal next year, & pick up some small assets for the downgrade in skill

The fit:
George / Vincent / Bailey / Markkannen / Kleber

Grizzlies
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope (2x$22m) + 2nd
For
Kyle Anderson

Memphis gains additional caproom to perhaps make a play at one of the RFAs, or just set themselves up better financially going forward
They also bring back an old friend who had success there

The fit:
Morant / Jerome / Wells / Anderson / Jackson Jr

Lakers
Gabe Vincent (1x$11m) & Maxi Kleber (1x$11m) + 2nd
For
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope

Los Angeles sacrifices some flexibilty going forward for their old boy, who they're rumored to be interested in again lately

The fit:
Doncic / Reaves / Caldwell-Pope / James / Ayton

Vincent and Kleber would be two of the worst players on our roster, there is zero chance they would start. I'm not opposed to Anderson + an expiring + 2nds, or getting some 2nds for absorbing expiring money into our TPE, but I think we are owed value both for the on-court downgrade (Anderson is, IMO, worth his deal) and the cap flexibility we are creating here. It isn't anything insurmountable, probably a 2nd or two more. I like it for Los Angeles, I think that Memphis actually needs KCP, though.

Andersons 2nd year is a TO. Jazz is owed more for taking on so much more money

Op beat me too it, this is most likely outcome, especially if the talks are real that Lakers have interest in KCP.

Lakers probably asking this.

Take Utah out

Godaddycurse wrote:Andersons 2nd year is a TO. Jazz is owed more for taking on so much more money

Missed that
In that case, Charlotte with Grant Williams/Josh Green, or the Wizards with Kispert can be subbed in for Utah

Of course that's if the Grizz see value in the savings or in either of them

Lakers do it

Lakers will ask for more to take on KCP's 2nd year; potentially draft compensation (which can also be used to trade him next year if he exercises his option). They are not trading away flexibility in 26/27. It may in a vacuum work value wise but not when considering future plans. The same people asking for premium to trade him will then demand draft compensation for us to dump his salary.

KCP is feeling kinda washed and he's owed a good amount of money over the next 2 years. If the Lakers were willing to dip into their 26-27 cap space, they'd have extended DFS for much less per year (essentially 2 yrs/25mil guaranteed) and made the requisite moves to dump salary to get access to the full NTMLE to sign Ayton and Laravia. KCP simply makes too much to want to take the risk that he just had a down year instead of just being washed. Dont feel like the Lakers want to take that risk and deplete their 2026 cap for KCP, even if you take out the SRP sweetener from LAL.

AmusingFiddle wrote:Lakers will ask for more to take on KCP's 2nd year; potentially draft compensation (which can also be used to trade him next year if he exercises his option). They are not trading away flexibility in 26/27. It may in a vacuum work value wise but not when considering future plans. The same people asking for premium to trade him will then demand draft compensation for us to dump his salary.

I'm confused. Aren't the Lakers the ones calling? The reporting is that they want KCP.

jbk1234 wrote:

AmusingFiddle wrote:Lakers will ask for more to take on KCP's 2nd year; potentially draft compensation (which can also be used to trade him next year if he exercises his option). They are not trading away flexibility in 26/27. It may in a vacuum work value wise but not when considering future plans. The same people asking for premium to trade him will then demand draft compensation for us to dump his salary.

I'm confused. Aren't the Lakers the ones calling? The reporting is that they want KCP.

You're correct

lol Grizz say no, if we want Kyle we can just trade Konchar/2nd. No need to move KCP we are in good position under the luxury tax. Also KCP and our GM are excited about the fit here in Memphis.

These Lakers offers are becoming legendary…

Maxi Kleber and Gabe Vincent are fair value for KCP, if the Grizzlies want to keep him at the 2 then Lakers shouldn't offer more.
He was just traded a month ago, and a lot of people considered part of the price was for taking on his deal, we shouldn't pretend like expiring for him is a laughable offer, yet here we are...
At the deadline, if Grizzlies aren't competetive and Lakers are, I think this is a very realistic deal (w/o the Jazz who aren't getting paid enough for taking on salary).

Only way this would work is if memphis want to upgrade their wing and 3rd team prefers expiring instead of KCP.

Godaddycurse wrote:Only way this would work is if memphis want to upgrade their wing and 3rd team prefers expiring instead of KCP.

Or Memphis wants to clear salary next year, they are 14M below tax with 2 picks incoming...

Do the Grizzlies need more cap room at this point?

Feels like Utah isn't needed here. Just do the LAL expiring package for KCP. LAL possibly adding 2nds or, IMO, even getting 2nds for the extra year. That's up to MEM to haggle over based on how they're prioritizing on-court vs. cap sheet implications.

jbk1234 wrote:

AmusingFiddle wrote:Lakers will ask for more to take on KCP's 2nd year; potentially draft compensation (which can also be used to trade him next year if he exercises his option). They are not trading away flexibility in 26/27. It may in a vacuum work value wise but not when considering future plans. The same people asking for premium to trade him will then demand draft compensation for us to dump his salary.

I'm confused. Aren't the Lakers the ones calling? The reporting is that they want KCP.

Yes at the right price. Making calls doesn't mean Pelinka will over pay.

GMs look at other team structures or hear things from agents/players that may insinuate that a team may trade a player. Hence, a call is initiated.

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Mavrelous wrote:Maxi Kleber and Gabe Vincent are fair value for KCP, if the Grizzlies want to keep him at the 2 then Lakers shouldn't offer more.
He was just traded a month ago, and a lot of people considered part of the price was for taking on his deal, we shouldn't pretend like expiring for him is a laughable offer, yet here we are...
At the deadline, if Grizzlies aren't competetive and Lakers are, I think this is a very realistic deal (w/o the Jazz who aren't getting paid enough for taking on salary).

I see Memphis shopping around with the LA offer and willing to accept anything similar or even slightly worse just to screw the Lakers to return the favour for the DFS trade.I just don’t see any normal trade between these two franchises.

AmusingFiddle wrote:

jbk1234 wrote:

AmusingFiddle wrote:Lakers will ask for more to take on KCP's 2nd year; potentially draft compensation (which can also be used to trade him next year if he exercises his option). They are not trading away flexibility in 26/27. It may in a vacuum work value wise but not when considering future plans. The same people asking for premium to trade him will then demand draft compensation for us to dump his salary.

I'm confused. Aren't the Lakers the ones calling? The reporting is that they want KCP.

Yes at the right price. Making calls doesn't mean Pelinka will over pay.

GMs look at other team structures or hear things from agents/players that may insinuate that a team may trade a player. Hence, a call is initiated.

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I'm sure there are teams that call about a player and ask to be compensated for taking him, but I can't imagine those are long or productive conversations.

The Lakers need defensive help on the perimeter. This is likely LBJ's last season in L.A., perhaps Reaves as well, so I don't know that future cap space is as important as balancing the roster. I suspect they're offering expiring contracts of players who will barely be in the rotation.

Mavrelous wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:Only way this would work is if memphis want to upgrade their wing and 3rd team prefers expiring instead of KCP.

Or Memphis wants to clear salary next year, they are 14M below tax with 2 picks incoming...

I don't think expirings for KCP is a bad offer, but the reality of the situation is Memphis needs KCP likely more than anyone else in the NBA right now including the Lakers and clearing KCPs contract to get worse this year just so we can maybe have the full MLE or more tax breathing room to work with next offseason is not really a big draw. Better to gamble on a return to his Denver days and if not then we retain the tradable salary next offseason to work with along with the expiring Clarke and Konchar.

So as a standalone trade I don't think we would be interested in a Kleber/Vincent offer, but looping the Lakers in if we need the expirings for a 3rd team could make sense.