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Is there anything else of significance that will take place prior to the season besides Kuminga signing? Are rosters mostly finalized at this point?

Well there's also Giddey, Grimes and Thomas but they're likely to end up with their current teams one way or another (granted I expect that for Kuminga at this point as well).

GS may look for follow-up moves, but have a hard time as everyone else is kind of set.

Otherwise I'm sure there will be 15th man camp battles and such.

Apparently teams are waiting to see where Ben Simmons goes before Westbrook gets to sign somewhere. That is a real sentence paraphrased from what I’ve seen online

giberish wrote:Well there's also Giddey, Grimes and Thomas but they're likely to end up with their current teams one way or another (granted I expect that for Kuminga at this point as well).

GS may look for follow-up moves, but have a hard time as everyone else is kind of set.

Otherwise I'm sure there will be 15th man camp battles and such.

Yeah I think the most likely outcome at this point is that JK signs the rumored 2 year $40m offer with the tacit understanding that GS will look to move him at the deadline or next offseason

It looks like Horford, Seth and Melton will sign with GSW.

Brogdon may sign with the Wolves.

Cam Thomas could go in a sign and trade deal. Or getting the QO.

Monk and Vuk are been offered around.

Dallas is going to use cash and to get someone to take Prosper off their hands to clear roster spot/2nd apron room to complete the Exum deal. World-beating stuff I know.

Texas Chuck wrote:Dallas is going to use cash and to get someone to take Prosper off their hands to clear roster spot/2nd apron room to complete the Exum deal. World-beating stuff I know.

I know that’s all it is going to be.. but I was hoping for some consolidation trade. Lowered my standards all the way down to just combining Caleb other bench pieces to upgrade the 7th man..

Or for it to at least Powell and we can keep pretending Prosper will develop into a 3/d forward..

jayjaysee wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:Dallas is going to use cash and to get someone to take Prosper off their hands to clear roster spot/2nd apron room to complete the Exum deal. World-beating stuff I know.

I know that’s all it is going to be.. but I was hoping for some consolidation trade. Lowered my standards all the way down to just combining Caleb other bench pieces to upgrade the 7th man..

Or for it to at least Powell and we can keep pretending Prosper will develop into a 3/d forward..

Prosper squeezes into Utah's PJ Tucker TE (Powell doesn't quite). I don't know that cash alone gets it done, but would the Mavs give up the 2030 PHI SRP to move him?

jayjaysee wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:Dallas is going to use cash and to get someone to take Prosper off their hands to clear roster spot/2nd apron room to complete the Exum deal. World-beating stuff I know.

I know that’s all it is going to be.. but I was hoping for some consolidation trade. Lowered my standards all the way down to just combining Caleb other bench pieces to upgrade the 7th man..

Or for it to at least Powell and we can keep pretending Prosper will develop into a 3/d forward..

What do you think about a possible multi-team trade including the Bucks and Kings?

Mavs end up with Malik Monk or Devin Carter.

Kings get Kuzma (and maybe Prosper or something else) after giving up on Kuminga.

Bucks get a wing/s from Mavs and take on extra salary — can do up to the $6M in this kind of deal — and a roster spot or two.

The Bulls resign Giddey and move Vucevic. That could be part of a big money player trade where his contract is needed and the Bulls get some assets for putting him in the mix, or his agent finds a team that wants him and the Bulls buy him out. He's just not part of the future or present

SkyHook wrote:

jayjaysee wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:Dallas is going to use cash and to get someone to take Prosper off their hands to clear roster spot/2nd apron room to complete the Exum deal. World-beating stuff I know.

I know that’s all it is going to be.. but I was hoping for some consolidation trade. Lowered my standards all the way down to just combining Caleb other bench pieces to upgrade the 7th man..

Or for it to at least Powell and we can keep pretending Prosper will develop into a 3/d forward..

Prosper squeezes into Utah's PJ Tucker TE (Powell doesn't quite). I don't know that cash alone gets it done, but would the Mavs give up the 2030 PHI SRP to move him?

He barely makes more than a vet min. I would certainly hope it doesn't actually cost a 2nd to dump that little money. If it does, it does, but there are worse players/prospects making more money taking up roster spots--including in Utah already....

ChettheJet wrote:The Bulls resign Giddey and move Vucevic. That could be part of a big money player trade where his contract is needed and the Bulls get some assets for putting him in the mix, or his agent finds a team that wants him and the Bulls buy him out. He's just not part of the future or present

Buyout seems unlikely imo. Who that can sign him got the room and want him?

SkyHook wrote:

jayjaysee wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:Dallas is going to use cash and to get someone to take Prosper off their hands to clear roster spot/2nd apron room to complete the Exum deal. World-beating stuff I know.

I know that’s all it is going to be.. but I was hoping for some consolidation trade. Lowered my standards all the way down to just combining Caleb other bench pieces to upgrade the 7th man..

Or for it to at least Powell and we can keep pretending Prosper will develop into a 3/d forward..

Prosper squeezes into Utah's PJ Tucker TE (Powell doesn't quite). I don't know that cash alone gets it done, but would the Mavs give up the 2030 PHI SRP to move him?

If it costs a second to dump Prosper, I hope the team uses the same second to dump Powell instead. That feels like a really easy choice. If the flashes of 3point shooting or defense actually materialize this season, Prosper will be a nice cheap 5th forward for someone…

But if Spotrac (and my finger math) is right, Dallas doesn’t even need to dump all of Prospers money.. exchanging him for a true vet min and buying that player out is good enough.. just have to find the worst player in league making 2.22ish. Push real close to second apron, but have 15 bodies and some easily moved contracts if a consolidation deal became available..

Texas Chuck wrote:

SkyHook wrote:

jayjaysee wrote:
I know that’s all it is going to be.. but I was hoping for some consolidation trade. Lowered my standards all the way down to just combining Caleb other bench pieces to upgrade the 7th man..

Or for it to at least Powell and we can keep pretending Prosper will develop into a 3/d forward..

Prosper squeezes into Utah's PJ Tucker TE (Powell doesn't quite). I don't know that cash alone gets it done, but would the Mavs give up the 2030 PHI SRP to move him?

He barely makes more than a vet min. I would certainly hope it doesn't actually cost a 2nd to dump that little money. If it does, it does, but there are worse players/prospects making more money taking up roster spots--including in Utah already....

I get that. And maybe you're right that cash alone would get it done. Brooklyn still needs to spend to get to the minimum payroll level, right? Much easier to take that on if they're getting paid to do something that they have to do anyway. They probably want to do something more significant with their space, but maybe a cash deal like this happens later in training camp or preseason if they strike out.

jayjaysee wrote:

SkyHook wrote:

jayjaysee wrote:
I know that’s all it is going to be.. but I was hoping for some consolidation trade. Lowered my standards all the way down to just combining Caleb other bench pieces to upgrade the 7th man..

Or for it to at least Powell and we can keep pretending Prosper will develop into a 3/d forward..

Prosper squeezes into Utah's PJ Tucker TE (Powell doesn't quite). I don't know that cash alone gets it done, but would the Mavs give up the 2030 PHI SRP to move him?

If it costs a second to dump Prosper, I hope the team uses the same second to dump Powell instead. That feels like a really easy choice. If the flashes of 3point shooting or defense actually materialize this season, Prosper will be a nice cheap 5th forward for someone…

But if Spotrac (and my finger math) is right, Dallas doesn’t even need to dump all of Prospers money.. exchanging him for a true vet min and buying that player out is good enough.. just have to find the worst player in league making 2.22ish. Push real close to second apron, but have 15 bodies and some easily move contracts if a consolidation deal became available..

That makes a lot of sense.

SkyHook wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:

SkyHook wrote:Prosper squeezes into Utah's PJ Tucker TE (Powell doesn't quite). I don't know that cash alone gets it done, but would the Mavs give up the 2030 PHI SRP to move him?

He barely makes more than a vet min. I would certainly hope it doesn't actually cost a 2nd to dump that little money. If it does, it does, but there are worse players/prospects making more money taking up roster spots--including in Utah already....

I get that. And maybe you're right that cash alone would get it done. Brooklyn still needs to spend to get to the minimum payroll level, right? Much easier to take that on if they're getting paid to do something that they have to do anyway. They probably want to do something more significant with their space, but maybe a cash deal like this happens later in training camp or preseason if they strike out.

My sense (and I could be wildly off on this) is that Brooklyn is hoping that GS or Chicago shoot themselves in the foot and they can steal Giddey or Kuminga on a short term deal (who they can feature for a season and then flip for assets)

gswhoops wrote:

SkyHook wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:
He barely makes more than a vet min. I would certainly hope it doesn't actually cost a 2nd to dump that little money. If it does, it does, but there are worse players/prospects making more money taking up roster spots--including in Utah already....

I get that. And maybe you're right that cash alone would get it done. Brooklyn still needs to spend to get to the minimum payroll level, right? Much easier to take that on if they're getting paid to do something that they have to do anyway. They probably want to do something more significant with their space, but maybe a cash deal like this happens later in training camp or preseason if they strike out.

My sense (and I could be wildly off on this) is that Brooklyn is hoping that GS or Chicago shoot themselves in the foot and they can steal Giddey or Kuminga on a short term deal (who they can feature for a season and then flip for assets)

Yes, this is just what I'm thinking as well. Those plus Cam Thomas seem like stalemates that are going to linger into camp and beyond. I'm getting Shabazz Muhammed overinflated ego vibes with Kuminga and Thomas in particular. https://www.the-sun.com/sport/9275464/im-a-forgotten-nba-star-rejected-a-40m-contract/

gswhoops wrote:

giberish wrote:Well there's also Giddey, Grimes and Thomas but they're likely to end up with their current teams one way or another (granted I expect that for Kuminga at this point as well).

GS may look for follow-up moves, but have a hard time as everyone else is kind of set.

Otherwise I'm sure there will be 15th man camp battles and such.

Yeah I think the most likely outcome at this point is that JK signs the rumored 2 year $40m offer with the tacit understanding that GS will look to move him at the deadline or next offseason

So was that a 1+1 deal or 2 years guaranteed and an player option. I could see him wanting to take a shot at UFA next year but it would give him a nice guarantee in the event of an injury like what happened with Haliburton and Tatum.

basketballwacko2 wrote:

gswhoops wrote:

giberish wrote:Well there's also Giddey, Grimes and Thomas but they're likely to end up with their current teams one way or another (granted I expect that for Kuminga at this point as well).

GS may look for follow-up moves, but have a hard time as everyone else is kind of set.

Otherwise I'm sure there will be 15th man camp battles and such.

Yeah I think the most likely outcome at this point is that JK signs the rumored 2 year $40m offer with the tacit understanding that GS will look to move him at the deadline or next offseason

So was that a 1+1 deal or 2 years guaranteed and a player option. I could see him wanting to take a shot at UFA next year but it would give him a nice guarantee in the event of an injury like what happened with Haliburton and Tatum.

I think it’s got to be at least 2 years of team control, otherwise why offer him anything more than the qualifying offer.

My gut says it’s straight 2 years rather than 2+PO because our FO has very intentionally lined up Steph, Jimmy, and Draymond to all expire in 2 years

We will probably see a big name or two moved on the eve of training camp, like Lillard and Towns the past couple of years.