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Wondering if this has any legs, and where tweaks may be needed if so

Charlotte gets: Daniel Gafford, OMax
Sacramento gets: Tidjane Salaun, Caleb Martin (or Jaden Hardy), 2nds from Cha?
Dallas gets: Malik Monk, Sion James

The idea is that Charlotte fills a gaping hole at the 5, who would be a nice lob threat for Ball and a rim protector for a team without much perimeter D. Sacramento has a glut of 2Gs, which gives them some more wings/forwards. They take a chance on Salaun after a disastrous rookie season to see if he has any potential to build on. Their fans have been receptive to getting Martin. Dallas gets a 2G while undersized, should fit well with a Flagg/AD/Lively frontcourt. Dallas can then use Hardy or Naji to trade for a backup 5 (maybe Goga?) to replace Gaff. Sion can be taken out if Cha likes him, just thought I'd include him to make Coop happy

Thoughts? What else may be needed? Does it favor one team too much?

I'd do it from Charlotte's perspective, we need a serious center badly

I like it for the Mavs also, I'm not sold on Martin at all.

not sold on this for sacramento unless they can turn salaun and those 2nds into another forward

Godaddycurse wrote:not sold on this for sacramento unless they can turn salaun and those 2nds into another forward

Replace Martin with Naji and send the 2nds to Dallas.

Charlotte gets: Daniel Gafford, OMax
Sacramento gets: Josh Green, Naji Marshall
Dallas gets: Malik Monk, Sion James

Mavrelous wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:not sold on this for sacramento unless they can turn salaun and those 2nds into another forward

Replace Martin with Naji and send the 2nds to Dallas.

Charlotte gets: Daniel Gafford, OMax
Sacramento gets: Josh Green, Naji Marshall
Dallas gets: Malik Monk, Sion James

Read my mind Khalil, I was wondering if that would tip the scales to make it more fair, or if its too much for Dallas to give up? But I'd still do it. Then maybe Dallas can send Martin or Hardy for Goga and have a pretty nice, well rounded team.

daoneandonly wrote:

Mavrelous wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:not sold on this for sacramento unless they can turn salaun and those 2nds into another forward

Replace Martin with Naji and send the 2nds to Dallas.

Charlotte gets: Daniel Gafford, OMax
Sacramento gets: Josh Green, Naji Marshall
Dallas gets: Malik Monk, Sion James

Read my mind Khalil, I was wondering if that would tip the scales to make it more fair, or if its too much for Dallas to give up? But I'd still do it. Then maybe Dallas can send Martin or Hardy for Goga and have a pretty nice, well rounded team.

Before this offseason, I would have said this is fair value, but seems like undersized SG just got massive downgrade in value out of the blue.
Hornets definitely owe value here, multiple 2nds or the worst of 1st they have next year.

If you have any faith in Salaun, I think you cut out Sac? I don’t have any faith in him, but you could mostly redshirt him a season behind AD/PJ/Flagg (still trade one of Naji/Martin) and you might end up with your long term starter next to Flagg.. Salaun was supposed to be a decent defensive prospect with good range and is still young enough to figure it out..

As for OP - since I don’t believe in Salaun, I can’t see Sac accepting it with just seconds and Martin.

Mavrelous wrote:

daoneandonly wrote:

Mavrelous wrote:Replace Martin with Naji and send the 2nds to Dallas.

Charlotte gets: Daniel Gafford, OMax
Sacramento gets: Josh Green, Naji Marshall
Dallas gets: Malik Monk, Sion James

Read my mind Khalil, I was wondering if that would tip the scales to make it more fair, or if its too much for Dallas to give up? But I'd still do it. Then maybe Dallas can send Martin or Hardy for Goga and have a pretty nice, well rounded team.

Before this offseason, I would have said this is fair value, but seems like undersized SG just got massive downgrade in value out of the blue.
Hornets definitely owe value here, multiple 2nds or the worst of 1st they have next year.

Maybe Dallas can get their '27 first back? Or at the least favorable as you mentioned

jayjaysee wrote:If you have any faith in Salaun, I think you cut out Sac? I don’t have any faith in him, but you could mostly redshirt him a season behind AD/PJ/Flagg (still trade one of Naji/Martin) and you might end up with your long term starter next to Flagg.. Saluan was supposed to be a decent defensive prospect with good range..

As for OP - since I don’t believe in Salaun, I can’t see Sac accepting it with just seconds and Martin.

Well Mavrelous proved while he's smarter than I am, what about his counterproposal? Think that works for all involved? I think Dallas could potentially get a FRP from Cha or McNeely instead of Sion.

I have a hard time with the idea that the Mavs handed Gafford that extension just to turn around and trade him. It doesn't make a lot of sense. He would've had more trade value on an expiring deal and then a team like Hornets could've decided how much to offer after they auditioned him in a starting role.

I also don't buy that the Hornets F.O. is all that interested in winning this season. I know their fans don't want to hear that, but trying to achieve escape velocity next summer is the smart play.

daoneandonly wrote:

jayjaysee wrote:If you have any faith in Salaun, I think you cut out Sac? I don’t have any faith in him, but you could mostly redshirt him a season behind AD/PJ/Flagg (still trade one of Naji/Martin) and you might end up with your long term starter next to Flagg.. Saluan was supposed to be a decent defensive prospect with good range..

As for OP - since I don’t believe in Salaun, I can’t see Sac accepting it with just seconds and Martin.

Well Mavrelous proved while he's smarter than I am, what about his counterproposal? Think that works for all involved? I think Dallas could potentially get a FRP from Cha or McNeely instead of Sion.

i think his counter proposal is worse for sacramento. Green is dead weight after his surgery until proven otherwise.

daoneandonly wrote:
Well Mavrelous proved while he's smarter than I am, what about his counterproposal? Think that works for all involved? I think Dallas could potentially get a FRP from Cha or McNeely instead of Sion.

I think losing Naji is understandable, especially if the team can actually extend PJ. Considering, Dallas will likely have minutes with Klay or Christie at the 3.. Martin is a fine lower minute fourth forward - and playing bigger minutes with AD misses time..

I do think CLT is the best destination for Gafford though. I don’t think Josh Green version is the best. to me he’s a negative asset, especially til he plays after his shoulder surgery.. And CLT has no tax issues, so shouldn’t add additional value to dump money. They can use Connaughton or Salaun to match Gafford and it be more neutral.

No idea how to value McNeely or James. The boring answer is teams typically value their own draft picks higher than other teams. But CLT should trade either for Gafford imo?

Can’t see Sac settling for Green/Naji for Monk right now.

What about..

Monk, Salaun to Dallas
Naji and Martin to Sac
Gafford to CLT

And CLT seconds get split between Dallas/Sac?

Sac gets two forwards for Monk?

CLT gets a center.

Dallas has to turn Powell/Prosper/Hardy into a decent backup center... But they get Monk and take the long shot on Salaun?

jayjaysee wrote:

daoneandonly wrote:
Well Mavrelous proved while he's smarter than I am, what about his counterproposal? Think that works for all involved? I think Dallas could potentially get a FRP from Cha or McNeely instead of Sion.

I think losing Naji is understandable, especially if the team can actually extend PJ. Considering, Dallas will likely have minutes with Klay or Christie at the 3.. Martin is a fine lower minute fourth forward - and playing bigger minutes with AD misses time..

I do think CLT is the best destination for Gafford though. I don’t think Josh Green version is the best. to me he’s a negative asset, especially til he plays after his shoulder surgery.. And CLT has no tax issues, so shouldn’t add additional value to dump money. They can use Connaughton or Salaun to match Gafford and it be more neutral.

No idea how to value McNeely or James. The boring answer is teams typically value their own draft picks higher than other teams. But CLT should trade either for Gafford imo?

Can’t see Sac settling for Green/Naji for Monk right now.

Godaddycurse wrote:

daoneandonly wrote:

jayjaysee wrote:If you have any faith in Salaun, I think you cut out Sac? I don’t have any faith in him, but you could mostly redshirt him a season behind AD/PJ/Flagg (still trade one of Naji/Martin) and you might end up with your long term starter next to Flagg.. Saluan was supposed to be a decent defensive prospect with good range..

As for OP - since I don’t believe in Salaun, I can’t see Sac accepting it with just seconds and Martin.

Well Mavrelous proved while he's smarter than I am, what about his counterproposal? Think that works for all involved? I think Dallas could potentially get a FRP from Cha or McNeely instead of Sion.

i think his counter proposal is worse for sacramento. Green is dead weight after his surgery until proven otherwise.

Can I just take a minute to gloat about when of the very few things I was right about? Josh Green. I'm wrong 99 times out of 100 when it comes to basketball, well maybe life too if im honest. But I saw right through Josh Green the moment he was drafted, straight up bum

daoneandonly wrote:
Can I just take a minute to gloat about when of the very few things I was right about? Josh Green. I'm wrong 99 times out of 100 when it comes to basketball, well maybe life too if im honest. But I saw right through Josh Green the moment he was drafted, straight up bum

Sorry.. still disagree here.

It’s not his fault there were better guards around him and Dallas drafted him. He was a late teens pick and plays like one imo. Handful of guys drafted around him probably aren’t in the league anymore..

Also not his fault that Dallas tried to be the smartest one in the room (again) and extend him early..

Those are things to look at Dallas over. Green is still a fine low ceiling 18th pick.

He is injured right now and teams shouldn’t want to commit to his two year salary until you see his shooting.. filler

Josh Green had shoulder surgery, not torn Achillis, Gafford was extended at 10% of the cap, not sure why this is considered worse than expiring.
3&D guard in Green and good backup forward for Monk are fair value IMO.

Mavrelous wrote:Josh Green had shoulder surgery, not torn Achillis, Gafford was extended at 10% of the cap, not sure why this is considered worse than expiring.
3&D guard in Green and good backup forward for Monk are fair value IMO.

when you are out indefinitely and no timetable is provided i think its a red flag

Godaddycurse wrote:

Mavrelous wrote:Josh Green had shoulder surgery, not torn Achillis, Gafford was extended at 10% of the cap, not sure why this is considered worse than expiring.
3&D guard in Green and good backup forward for Monk are fair value IMO.

when you are out indefinitely and no timetable is provided i think its a red flag

Meh, doubt it's anything serious, Inadded him because he makes more sense, but he can be switched back for Salaun.

jayjaysee wrote:

daoneandonly wrote:
Can I just take a minute to gloat about when of the very few things I was right about? Josh Green. I'm wrong 99 times out of 100 when it comes to basketball, well maybe life too if im honest. But I saw right through Josh Green the moment he was drafted, straight up bum

Sorry.. still disagree here.

It’s not his fault there were better guards around him and Dallas drafted him. He was a late teens pick and plays like one imo. Handful of guys drafted around him probably aren’t in the league anymore..

Also not his fault that Dallas tried to be the smartest one in the room (again) and extend him early..

Those are things to look at Dallas over. Green is still a fine low ceiling 18th pick.

He is injured right now and teams shouldn’t want to commit to his two year salary until you see his shooting.. filler

Agree somewhat, disagree other aspects.

While not his fault, the other guys are much, much better, it is his fault Desmond Bane called him out as a DNP guy and then the next games instead of using it as bulletin board material, he just let Bane treat him as a whipping boy

The contract—oh, he absolutely deserves some hate. If you recall, he had a really good stretch right around the time his draft class was extension eligible, and then after the ink was dry, he went back to being the same old Josh. I don't believe in coincidences.

This one is not his fault, this is the FO, but I hate him as a result. Imagine some of what could have been avoided or done if this team drafted Bane or Maxey instead. Brunson would have likely been traded for assets instead of being lost for nothing. Then no need for Kyrie so they'd still have the 2029 pick. Lots of snow ball what ifs if a FO in Dallas just simply drafted the guy from Dallas or who played at nearby TCU.