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Houston trade: Eason
Philadelphia trade: McCain

Houston has too many PF's and Phily has too many SG's. Think this swap balances both teams out quite well. McCain has more years of control but is the less valuable archtype.. who is worth more?

Im thinking McCain is worth more. I know there's an argument that Landry Shamet looked solid as a rook and look at him now, but I think McCain has more upside than Tari and Houston owes.

As a fan of neither team this feels pretty close to me. On the other hand, I'd expect both teams to prefer their guy and decline.

Love Tari. Both good and fun. But the Sixers just aren't in a position as a franchise to trade star equity for certainty. Nor is Morey on solid enough ground to keep his job if McCain does keep playing like he did somewhere else.

Shamet was never good. That was people being fooled by naked shooting with nothing else. McCain scaled shockingly well with NBA spacing both on and off the ball. And of course the sample size was small, so no one will trade for him as if that's assumed. So I just don't see how anyone pays enough to dislodge him until/unless he does it again.

I get the roster balance value added and Eason is a really good fit..

But McCain has two extra years of rookie contract and looked really good in that small balance. The two extra years are worth a lot, especially to the team paying Joel/PG/Maxey..

Can’t see Philly taking it

jayjaysee wrote:I get the roster balance value added and Eason is a really good fit..

But McCain has two extra years of rookie contract and looked really good in that small balance. The two extra years are worth a lot, especially to the team paying Joel/PG/Maxey..

Can’t see Philly taking it

i think eason will contribute more to winning now, mccain moreso to future success (if they rebuild and move on from maxey). If Embiid is not retiring then i would think hard about this swap.

Rockets don't need more prospects, we are now a win now team.

We have high upside prospect at PG already, in Reed Sheppard.

Not sure I see the star equity Jojo sees in McCain? But I do agree with jay that the two extra rookie years feel really important here. I'd ask for more value as Philly to entertain this.

LarsV8 wrote:Rockets don't need more prospects, we are now a win now team.

We have high upside prospect at PG already, in Reed Sheppard.

McCain > Sheppard last year. He would be an upgrade at the guard spot imo

McCain's more an undersized SG, 2.5 assists in 26 minutes isn't exactly strong playmaking. He's a fine shooter, that's his sell point. Houston can talk to Boston about Simons, Washington about McCollum, or a few others if that's what they need; those type players are going cheap this offseason.

Godaddycurse wrote:

jayjaysee wrote:I get the roster balance value added and Eason is a really good fit..

But McCain has two extra years of rookie contract and looked really good in that small balance. The two extra years are worth a lot, especially to the team paying Joel/PG/Maxey..

Can’t see Philly taking it

i think eason will contribute more to winning now, mccain moreso to future success (if they rebuild and move on from maxey). If Embiid is not retiring then i would think hard about this swap.

Yeah. He’s very likely an upgrade on the court and is an ideal fit.

I just don’t see Philly making anything like that kind of win now sacrifice until Joel looks like Joel again? And probably still rather keep the cheap guy and see if he can build off a very good, very short rookie season.

If Joel is back to being himself, you trade the LAC first and/or other picks for a forward.

Godaddycurse wrote:McCain > Sheppard last year. He would be an upgrade at the guard spot imo

And Eason was much better than McCain?

I don't really care how good a prospect was last year...because they are prospects.

Reed didnt really even play, and when he started in garbage games he was awesome.

penbeast0 wrote:McCain's more an undersized SG, 2.5 assists in 26 minutes isn't exactly strong playmaking. He's a fine shooter, that's his sell point. Houston can talk to Boston about Simons, Washington about McCollum, or a few others if that's what they need; those type players are going cheap this offseason.

houston is hard capped and barely any room to maneuver. who can they trade for those players? maybe if they are bought out

I have McCain as a good bit more valuable with two more rookie years after this one, while Eason is about to be a RFA.

But I also have McCain a bit more valuable irrespective of contract situation.

My gut says Eason--he's looked great every time I watched him this past season--especially if his extension is in the same ballpark as Smith's (who I'm far less high on). A little concerned about the drop in his rebounding percentages; elite 4s need to be board dominant.

I didn't get to see McCain play full games, just some clips... how is he as a defender? Multiple articles I've read mention that he's not a great on defense and quickly shift to "but look how good he is on offense." The value of the undersized scorer, meh defender archetype got taken to the woodshed this past year.

Texas Chuck wrote:Not sure I see the star equity Jojo sees in McCain?

I just want to be clear that this would be well under 10% of outcomes for me. But it's non-zero and I'm generally one to give up on those kinds of things early.

The thing is, I had McCain at zero on draft day too. But he was shockingly good in terrible situations well before the late season leaguewide decline of play that someone like Grimes preyed upon. One of his best games was against a healthy Cavs team trying to win starting alongside Oubre, Martin, Yabusele, and Lowry. Even when Embiid and PG came back, they weren't exactly helping. I think we're missing the forest for the trees quoting things like Assist Rates. The ball wasn't running through him for most of his time and he played with some extremely ball dominant players. There's no way to rack up Assists. All of the connective tissue you need to see was there within his first 5 games. All of it. Combine that with the shooting and I personally need to see that it's not there before I trade him for a proverbial Double.

I would take him 2nd in a redraft behind Buzelis right now. Those are the two guys with non-zero star equity to me until/unless we get a huge developmental outlier.

McCain has played all of 23 games in the NBA before getting injured. That's barely enough time to circulate a scouting report. You have no idea if what you're trading for is real.

Jojothewhale wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:Not sure I see the star equity Jojo sees in McCain?

I just want to be clear that this would be well under 10% of outcomes for me. But it's non-zero and I'm generally one to give up on those kinds of things early.

The thing is, I had McCain at zero on draft day too. But he was shockingly good in terrible situations well before the late season leaguewide decline of play that someone like Grimes preyed upon. One of his best games was against a healthy Cavs team trying to win starting alongside Oubre, Martin, Yabusele, and Lowry. Even when Embiid and PG came back, they weren't exactly helping. I think we're missing the forest for the trees quoting things like Assist Rates. The ball wasn't running through him for most of his time and he played with some extremely ball dominant players. There's no way to rack up Assists. All of the connective tissue you need to see was there within his first 5 games. All of it. Combine that with the shooting and I personally need to see that it's not there before I trade him for a proverbial Double.

I would take him 2nd in a redraft behind Buzelis right now. Those are the two guys with non-zero star equity to me until/unless we get a huge developmental outlier.

I can see him as a connective passer, but what little I've seen doesn't show him as anything more, nor do the numbers. Put him at the point and you better be running your offense through your frontcourt.

Eason I am sure is solid defender with some reasonable offensive skills. He can start for a lot of teams. McCain is still a question mark for me so if I'm Houston, I'm pretty iffy on this.

penbeast0 wrote:Eason I am sure is solid defender with some reasonable offensive skills. He can start for a lot of teams. McCain is still a question mark for me so if I'm Houston, I'm pretty iffy on this.

We agree. To be clear, my stance is that neither team should pursue this as a base. I’m not saying either is more valuable in a vacuum because that’s not how trades are made.

I am saying McCain should be more valuable to the Sixers because they need to sort the next iteration of their core and Eason should be more prized for Houston because they’re ready to win.

Grimes for Eason would be better value for me

Tyrese Maxey / Jared McCain / Kyle Lowry
VJ Edgecombe / Eric Gordon
Kelly Oubre / Justin Edwards / [Paul George]
Tari Eason / Trendon Watford
Johni Broome / Adem Bona / Andre Drummond / [Joel Embiid]

Fred Van Vleet / Reed Sheppard / Aaron Holliday
Quentin Grimes / Josh Okogie
Amen Thompson / Dorian Finney-Smith / Jae'Sean Tate
Kevin Durant / Jabari Smith / Jeff Green
Alperen Sengun / Steven Adams / Clint Capela