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This assumes the Bulls and Giddey can't reach an agreement, and the Wiz are interested. I think he'd be a GREAT fit with their young core
Giddey/BudC
Tre J/Kispert
Bilal/George
Sarr/Cam W
Not sure at Center, but they have time/picks/cap space to figure it out

They still have AJ Johnson, Riley, Jones, Branham, Wesley, Champaigne too, as young pieces

Could Chic get the Wiz to take on PWill as well? Not sure how to make all the salaries work, but a core of Giddey/Tre/Bilal/Sarr is VERY balanced, with lots of other young pieces.

Chi takes a step back and builds around Matas/Noa (maybe deal CobyW too?)
They could easily run this year with
TJones/Ayo/JCarter
Okoro/Huerter
Matas/Terry
JSmith/Noa
Vuc/Collins
Plus whatever they get back from the Wizards. Maybe they just get the OKC 2026 1st and their 2027 2nd back, but they'd have this going into next year
Jones/Matas/Noa/JSmith/Okoro/their 2026 top 7 pick/unlimited cap space and the Port pick (plus what they get back from the Wiz and for Coby)

What are you proposing wizards send to chicago for giddey?

Half a trade is no trade at all. What do the Bulls get besides excess WIZ baggage to balance the money?

With Giddey the Bulls at least have a right now plan to go into next summer with their pick, Matas, Gisddey, Jones, Williams, Smith and Okoro under contract, most agree resigning White then figuring out if Vucevic, Huerter, Collins, Dosunmu and Carter are worth more as expiring contracts that leave or maybe some get resigned.

They sure don't want to take back any below average players from WASH that have contacts that even go one more year to set back what they've got now.

Godaddycurse wrote:What are you proposing wizards send to chicago for giddey?

Not sure-depends how the contracts work. Would Giddey have to be BYC, where the Bulls can only absorb half of what's going out?

If it's straight contracts, let's say Middleton, Riley and the 2026 1st the Wiz own (the one that looks like the OKC pick). Bulls, of course, could send Middleton to 3rd team (Heat for JJJ/Rozier?)

I don't think RFA's have much value in deals, so not sure if this is fair

If the Wiz are willing to take on Giddey's salary at a level where he'd sign, it's hard to work directly. IF, as you say, they take on Patrick Williams's salary too (a negative contract I think you'd agree), the only return that make sense is CJ McCollum (high priced expiring), Corey Kispert (3 pt shooting wing), and AJ Johnson (last year 1st rounder that has explosion to the rim but needs to develop the rest of his game). Add the worst of 1st in too and it's a framework for a deal if Washington thinks Giddey and Williams are chances worth taking at the salaries they would be coming in at. It would cap the team so they can't get a max money FA next year which it is currently set up to do so I would be surprised to see it but from Wiz p.o.v. that's what our offer would look like.

CJ rather than Middleton because otherwise we are even more guard heavy than we already are. AJ rather than Riley because the Wiz reached for him in the draft and seem to like him much more than other teams do.

I'm not interested in taking on Pat Williams' salary.

I'd trade the OKC pick and McCollum for Giddey, if Giddey would agree to a salary no bigger than $25M. To make the deal work salary-wise, it would have to be something like:

Washington trades: McCollum + Braham + 2026 OKC pick
Chicago trades: Giddey (signed at $25M) + Zach Collins

The trade couldn't happen until September 9th because McCollum and Braham were both recently acquired by the Wizards.

It's not really a lot of incentive for Chicago though. They'd probably rather just pay Giddey $25M then trade him for just the OKC pick.

So there's no trade in this proposal? Okay...

With a new report that the Bulls/Giddey are far apart, and my understanding the BYC doesn't apply here (making salaries easier to match)
Also, let's drop the PWill part for now

Giddey/Jcarter to Wiz (Giddey and the Wiz agree to something b/w $25-27-which I think the Bulls should be willing to pay Giddey)
McCollum to Heat
Rozier/JJJ/Riley/OKC 1st to Bulls

Heat are always win-now, and McCollum is a huge upgrade to Rozier. He'd make a perfect 3rd guard with Powell/Herro
Wiz get their floor general, Carrington becomes their long term 3rd guard.

I think this would be a big mistake for the Bulls, but if they're not willing to sign Giddey to (what I consider) a fair deal, him taking the QO would be a disaster, really setting us back.
This way the Bulls get expiring Rozier, 2 ok young prospects and a late 1st

I have a feeling he's gonna be getting a QO.

pipfan wrote:With a new report that the Bulls/Giddey are far apart, and my understanding the BYC doesn't apply here (making salaries easier to match)
Also, let's drop the PWill part for now

Giddey/Jcarter to Wiz (Giddey and the Wiz agree to something b/w $25-27-which I think the Bulls should be willing to pay Giddey)
McCollum to Heat
Rozier/JJJ/Riley/OKC 1st to Bulls

Heat are always win-now, and McCollum is a huge upgrade to Rozier. He'd make a perfect 3rd guard with Powell/Herro
Wiz get their floor general, Carrington becomes their long term 3rd guard.

I think this would be a big mistake for the Bulls, but if they're not willing to sign Giddey to (what I consider) a fair deal, him taking the QO would be a disaster, really setting us back.
This way the Bulls get expiring Rozier, 2 ok young prospects and a late 1st

He won't take the risk of the QO, this is all just posturing from both sides and they'll come to an agreement before training camp.

That offer is woeful by the way.

Wizards seem too smart to be interested in Giddey.

pipfan wrote:With a new report that the Bulls/Giddey are far apart, and my understanding the BYC doesn't apply here (making salaries easier to match)
Also, let's drop the PWill part for now

Giddey/Jcarter to Wiz (Giddey and the Wiz agree to something b/w $25-27-which I think the Bulls should be willing to pay Giddey)
McCollum to Heat
Rozier/JJJ/Riley/OKC 1st to Bulls

Heat are always win-now, and McCollum is a huge upgrade to Rozier. He'd make a perfect 3rd guard with Powell/Herro
Wiz get their floor general, Carrington becomes their long term 3rd guard.

I think this would be a big mistake for the Bulls, but if they're not willing to sign Giddey to (what I consider) a fair deal, him taking the QO would be a disaster, really setting us back.
This way the Bulls get expiring Rozier, 2 ok young prospects and a late 1st

Curious as to why you would think that BYC doesn't apply here. Giddey's contract is subject to BYC restrictions at any starting salary of $10.023MM or higher.

While the base year compensation rules have, for the most part, been adjusted and/or removed from the CBA, there’s still one situation where they apply. Teams have to take them into account when completing sign-and-trade deals.

The BYC rules apply to a player who meets all of the following criteria in a sign-and-trade:

—He is a Bird or Early Bird free agent.
—His new salary is worth more than the minimum.
—He receives a raise greater than 20%.
—His team is at or above the cap immediately after the signing.

If the player meets those criteria and is included in a sign-and-trade deal, his outgoing salary for matching purposes is considered to be his previous salary or 50% of his new salary, whichever is greater. For the team he is being signed-and-traded to, his incoming figure for matching purposes is simply his new full salary.

I don't see any world where the Bulls S&T Giddey for any sort of "meh" offer. Unless somebody goes insane and offers multiple decent picks / equivalent talent he's going to be a Bull in October.

nate33 wrote:I'm not interested in taking on Pat Williams' salary.

I'd trade the OKC pick and McCollum for Giddey, if Giddey would agree to a salary no bigger than $25M. To make the deal work salary-wise, it would have to be something like:

Washington trades: McCollum + Braham + 2026 OKC pick
Chicago trades: Giddey (signed at $25M) + Zach Collins

The trade couldn't happen until September 9th because McCollum and Braham were both recently acquired by the Wizards.

It's not really a lot of incentive for Chicago though. They'd probably rather just pay Giddey $25M then trade him for just the OKC pick.

I think that's pretty fair. Can't really expect more than expiring money and a late first in an S&T, but I don't think Giddey has become weirdly underrated. I'd rather than him than Scottie "too hottie" Barnes, independent of contract.

SkyHook wrote:

pipfan wrote:With a new report that the Bulls/Giddey are far apart, and my understanding the BYC doesn't apply here (making salaries easier to match)
Also, let's drop the PWill part for now

Giddey/Jcarter to Wiz (Giddey and the Wiz agree to something b/w $25-27-which I think the Bulls should be willing to pay Giddey)
McCollum to Heat
Rozier/JJJ/Riley/OKC 1st to Bulls

Heat are always win-now, and McCollum is a huge upgrade to Rozier. He'd make a perfect 3rd guard with Powell/Herro
Wiz get their floor general, Carrington becomes their long term 3rd guard.

I think this would be a big mistake for the Bulls, but if they're not willing to sign Giddey to (what I consider) a fair deal, him taking the QO would be a disaster, really setting us back.
This way the Bulls get expiring Rozier, 2 ok young prospects and a late 1st

Curious as to why you would think that BYC doesn't apply here. Giddey's contract is subject to BYC restrictions at any starting salary of $10.023MM or higher.

While the base year compensation rules have, for the most part, been adjusted and/or removed from the CBA, there’s still one situation where they apply. Teams have to take them into account when completing sign-and-trade deals.

The BYC rules apply to a player who meets all of the following criteria in a sign-and-trade:

—He is a Bird or Early Bird free agent.
—His new salary is worth more than the minimum.
—He receives a raise greater than 20%.
—His team is at or above the cap immediately after the signing.

If the player meets those criteria and is included in a sign-and-trade deal, his outgoing salary for matching purposes is considered to be his previous salary or 50% of his new salary, whichever is greater. For the team he is being signed-and-traded to, his incoming figure for matching purposes is simply his new full salary.

Chicago does have far more financial flexibility in a Giddey S&T than GS does with a Kuminga deal though. GS has to take back less than JK's BYC adjusted salary to avoid boing hard-capped at the 1st apron and unable to sign Horford. Chicago's payroll is much lower so this isn't an issue and they can take back several $M above the BYC adjusted salary that they're sending out (at lest $5M but perhaps more). They've also got a large TPE that can be used to take back salary in a deal.

giberish wrote:

Spoiler:

SkyHook wrote:

pipfan wrote:With a new report that the Bulls/Giddey are far apart, and my understanding the BYC doesn't apply here (making salaries easier to match)
Also, let's drop the PWill part for now

Giddey/Jcarter to Wiz (Giddey and the Wiz agree to something b/w $25-27-which I think the Bulls should be willing to pay Giddey)
McCollum to Heat
Rozier/JJJ/Riley/OKC 1st to Bulls

Heat are always win-now, and McCollum is a huge upgrade to Rozier. He'd make a perfect 3rd guard with Powell/Herro
Wiz get their floor general, Carrington becomes their long term 3rd guard.

I think this would be a big mistake for the Bulls, but if they're not willing to sign Giddey to (what I consider) a fair deal, him taking the QO would be a disaster, really setting us back.
This way the Bulls get expiring Rozier, 2 ok young prospects and a late 1st

Curious as to why you would think that BYC doesn't apply here. Giddey's contract is subject to BYC restrictions at any starting salary of $10.023MM or higher.

While the base year compensation rules have, for the most part, been adjusted and/or removed from the CBA, there’s still one situation where they apply. Teams have to take them into account when completing sign-and-trade deals.

The BYC rules apply to a player who meets all of the following criteria in a sign-and-trade:

—He is a Bird or Early Bird free agent.
—His new salary is worth more than the minimum.
—He receives a raise greater than 20%.
—His team is at or above the cap immediately after the signing.

If the player meets those criteria and is included in a sign-and-trade deal, his outgoing salary for matching purposes is considered to be his previous salary or 50% of his new salary, whichever is greater. For the team he is being signed-and-traded to, his incoming figure for matching purposes is simply his new full salary.

Chicago does have far more financial flexibility in a Giddey S&T than GS does with a Kuminga deal though. GS has to take back less than JK's BYC adjusted salary to avoid boing hard-capped at the 1st apron and unable to sign Horford. Chicago's payroll is much lower so this isn't an issue and they can take back several $M above the BYC adjusted salary that they're sending out (at lest $5M but perhaps more). They've also got a large TPE that can be used to take back salary in a deal.

If CHI still had the entire Lavine $17+MM TPE it would be simple. Per Spotrac, they have less than $6.2MM left after the Okoro deal. Not large, but not nothing. They do have the full NTMLE.

SkyHook wrote:

giberish wrote:

Spoiler:

SkyHook wrote:Curious as to why you would think that BYC doesn't apply here. Giddey's contract is subject to BYC restrictions at any starting salary of $10.023MM or higher.

While the base year compensation rules have, for the most part, been adjusted and/or removed from the CBA, there’s still one situation where they apply. Teams have to take them into account when completing sign-and-trade deals.

The BYC rules apply to a player who meets all of the following criteria in a sign-and-trade:

—He is a Bird or Early Bird free agent.
—His new salary is worth more than the minimum.
—He receives a raise greater than 20%.
—His team is at or above the cap immediately after the signing.

If the player meets those criteria and is included in a sign-and-trade deal, his outgoing salary for matching purposes is considered to be his previous salary or 50% of his new salary, whichever is greater. For the team he is being signed-and-traded to, his incoming figure for matching purposes is simply his new full salary.

Chicago does have far more financial flexibility in a Giddey S&T than GS does with a Kuminga deal though. GS has to take back less than JK's BYC adjusted salary to avoid boing hard-capped at the 1st apron and unable to sign Horford. Chicago's payroll is much lower so this isn't an issue and they can take back several $M above the BYC adjusted salary that they're sending out (at lest $5M but perhaps more). They've also got a large TPE that can be used to take back salary in a deal.

If CHI still had the entire Lavine $17+MM TPE it would be simple. Per Spotrac, they have less than $6.2MM left after the Okoro deal. Not large, but not nothing. They do have the full NTMLE.

Weird that Spotrac shows that, but didn’t create a Lonzo Ball TPE.

If Okoro went into TPE, then there’s a 10mil Ball TPE. Makes some sense to reset it a year..