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Who has more trade value right now? Scottie Barnes or Toumani Camara?

Camara.

Not a knock on Barnes. Camara brings a skill set that works anywhere on a rookie contract.

Barnes is a bit of an odd fit; needs the ball in his hands but not good enough to justify it.

JRoy wrote:Camara.

Not a knock on Barnes. Camara brings a skill set that works anywhere on a rookie contract.

Barnes is a bit of an odd fit; needs the ball in his hands but not good enough to justify it.

Camara is a good fifth option/starter on a cheap deal. Barnes is projected to be a 2nd/3rd option like Green.

The latter is more valuable

Godaddycurse wrote:

JRoy wrote:Camara.

Not a knock on Barnes. Camara brings a skill set that works anywhere on a rookie contract.

Barnes is a bit of an odd fit; needs the ball in his hands but not good enough to justify it.

Camara is a good fifth option/starter on a cheap deal. Barnes is projected to be a 2nd/3rd option like Green.

The latter is more valuable

Which Green is this?

One_and_Done wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:

JRoy wrote:Camara.

Not a knock on Barnes. Camara brings a skill set that works anywhere on a rookie contract.

Barnes is a bit of an odd fit; needs the ball in his hands but not good enough to justify it.

Camara is a good fifth option/starter on a cheap deal. Barnes is projected to be a 2nd/3rd option like Green.

The latter is more valuable

Which Green is this?

Draymond

Godaddycurse wrote:

One_and_Done wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:
Camara is a good fifth option/starter on a cheap deal. Barnes is projected to be a 2nd/3rd option like Green.

The latter is more valuable

Which Green is this?

Draymond

Draymond has never been a 2nd option on offense. He isn't really a 3rd option on offense either, rather he's a connective tissue player.

Draymond has been the 2nd or 3rd best player on multiple title teams of course, but that's due primarily to being a historical defender. Barnes has not shown anything close to that. Draymond also is one of the most cerebral players to ever play, and has legit point guard passing from when he used to play that position in school.

This is the reason prospects should not be compared to one of one outliers like Draymond, Barkley, Magic, etc. If a one of one outlier is your comp, then you're going to fail.

Embarrassing thread. You need to log off bro. Take a couple of weeks off and enjoy the rest of summer.

One_and_Done wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:

One_and_Done wrote:Which Green is this?

Draymond

Draymond has never been a 2nd option on offense. He isn't really a 3rd option on offense either, rather he's a connective tissue player.

Draymond has been the 2nd or 3rd best player on multiple title teams of course, but that's due primarily to being a historical defender. Barnes has not shown anything close to that. Draymond also is one of the most cerebral players to ever play, and has legit point guard passing from when he used to play that position in school.

This is the reason prospects should not be compared to one of one outliers like Draymond, Barkley, Magic, etc. If a one of one outlier is your comp, then you're going to fail.

Barnes was 14th in DEPM to Draymond's 8th last year. He took a leap defensively amidst his poor offensive year

Both are best suited as connective tissue player but barnes has a bit more in his offensive bag. He is still young and on a more competitive team/not pigeonholed into a 1st option he will look alot better next year (or so we hope).

Godaddycurse wrote:

One_and_Done wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:
Draymond

Draymond has never been a 2nd option on offense. He isn't really a 3rd option on offense either, rather he's a connective tissue player.

Draymond has been the 2nd or 3rd best player on multiple title teams of course, but that's due primarily to being a historical defender. Barnes has not shown anything close to that. Draymond also is one of the most cerebral players to ever play, and has legit point guard passing from when he used to play that position in school.

This is the reason prospects should not be compared to one of one outliers like Draymond, Barkley, Magic, etc. If a one of one outlier is your comp, then you're going to fail.

Barnes was 14th in DEPM to Draymond's 8th last year. He took a leap defensively amidst his poor offensive year

Both are best suited as connective tissue player but barnes has a bit more in his offensive bag. He is still young and on a more competitive team/not pigeonholed into a 1st option he will look alot better next year (or so we hope).

Advanced stats, especially defensive ones, aren't very persuasive to me. Barnes is nowhere on the same planet as Draymond defensively

I *think* it is Barnes, but given contracts I could see the Camara argument. I'd love to have either lol

Barnes should cost more in trade assets to sign and probably will get more in contract if both is a free agent.

More teams would be easily persuaded to build a package for camara though. He’s easier to fit on a team.

For OKC we would love to have Camara on the team .

JRoy wrote:Camara.

Not a knock on Barnes. Camara brings a skill set that works anywhere on a rookie contract.

Barnes is a bit of an odd fit; needs the ball in his hands but not good enough to justify it.

Camara isn't on a 1st round rookie contract though. He is going to be a UFA in 2027-2028.

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

JRoy wrote:Camara.

Not a knock on Barnes. Camara brings a skill set that works anywhere on a rookie contract.

Barnes is a bit of an odd fit; needs the ball in his hands but not good enough to justify it.

Camara isn't on a 1st round rookie contract though. He is going to be a UFA in 2027-2028.

Gotta lock that young man up.

JRoy wrote:

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

JRoy wrote:Camara.

Not a knock on Barnes. Camara brings a skill set that works anywhere on a rookie contract.

Barnes is a bit of an odd fit; needs the ball in his hands but not good enough to justify it.

Camara isn't on a 1st round rookie contract though. He is going to be a UFA in 2027-2028.

Gotta lock that young man up.

Well it is difficult to do so and there isn't a right answer to the situation.

We (Indiana) decided to not let Nembhard hit UFA status, but it cost us Myles Turner.

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

JRoy wrote:Camara.

Not a knock on Barnes. Camara brings a skill set that works anywhere on a rookie contract.

Barnes is a bit of an odd fit; needs the ball in his hands but not good enough to justify it.

Camara isn't on a 1st round rookie contract though. He is going to be a UFA in 2027-2028.

Portland can waive that year and make him a RFA the year prior.

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

JRoy wrote:

ReggiesKnicks wrote:
Camara isn't on a 1st round rookie contract though. He is going to be a UFA in 2027-2028.

Gotta lock that young man up.

Well it is difficult to do so and there isn't a right answer to the situation.

We (Indiana) decided to not let Nembhard hit UFA status, but it cost us Myles Turner.

No, being cheap cost Indy Myles Turner. Indy was completely capable of paying both players under the rules.

Barnes is a better player at this point but since he is on a big contract vs Camara on a small rookie contract with a team option, Camara has more trade value. It’s hard to compare though because of the large difference.
Camara would be a positive asset added to a trade and Barnes would be the main piece in a large trade needing an asset/s added.

babyjax13 wrote:I *think* it is Barnes, but given contracts I could see the Camara argument. I'd love to have either lol

cucad8 wrote:

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

JRoy wrote:Camara.

Not a knock on Barnes. Camara brings a skill set that works anywhere on a rookie contract.

Barnes is a bit of an odd fit; needs the ball in his hands but not good enough to justify it.

Camara isn't on a 1st round rookie contract though. He is going to be a UFA in 2027-2028.

Portland can waive that year and make him a RFA the year prior.

Yeah, realistically, this is Camara's last "cheap" year. Most likely, Portland declines his club option for next year so that he's a restricted free agent, but that means that he's more likely a $24+m player next year, rather than a $2.4m player, affecting his value quite a bit. They could keep him cheap next year, but then he'd be unrestricted entering 27/28, which they shouldn't allow to happen.

Obviously, a good problem to have. Better to have good players you wish to keep than to have bad players you're trying to dump, etc.

cucad8 wrote:

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

JRoy wrote:Camara.

Not a knock on Barnes. Camara brings a skill set that works anywhere on a rookie contract.

Barnes is a bit of an odd fit; needs the ball in his hands but not good enough to justify it.

Camara isn't on a 1st round rookie contract though. He is going to be a UFA in 2027-2028.

Portland can waive that year and make him a RFA the year prior.

They can, which means Camara will only have 1 more year left (this season) at a reasonable number.

One_and_Done wrote:

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

JRoy wrote:
Gotta lock that young man up.

Well it is difficult to do so and there isn't a right answer to the situation.

We (Indiana) decided to not let Nembhard hit UFA status, but it cost us Myles Turner.

No, being cheap cost Indy Myles Turner. Indy was completely capable of paying both players under the rules.

Indiana's GM knew the owner was cheap. Indiana was operating under the knowledge of how cheap their ownership is and was.

It is correct that we lost Turner because we are cheap. However, we could have retained Turner if Nembhard was on a cheap deal 1 additional year, but that means we would have to pay Nembhard upwards of 30 Million AAV in 2026-2027 rather than 19 Million.

Ultimately, if our ownership is going to navigate as they did and are, they made the right decision. We aren't title contenders without Haliburton.