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Just another random bad idea. Probably did it before? Maybe Dallas doesn’t get Jalen and has to take Connaughton back instead?

Dallas: Gafford, Klay, 2026 swap (top 4 protected), 2032 2nd
Dallas: Coby and Jalen

Dallas trades a first that will likely convey in the late lottery for a scoring guard while downgrading their backup big. Likely going from 10-12 to 22-24? Maybe even worse if AD misses enough time.. Maybe win the lottery and keep the pick..

Lively/AD/Jalen
AD/PJ
Flagg/Naji
Coby/Christie
Kyrie/DLO/Exum

CLT: Connaughton and the 2026 worst of Orlando/Mem/Phx first
CLT: Gafford

CLT brings in an NBA center for a late first.

Chicago: Coby and Jalen
Chicago: Klay, Connaughton, 2026 first (better of Dallas/Orlando), 2032 2nd

Chicago gets a late lottery pick for Coby, Klay is expensive for two years and they have Huerter.. But shooters around Matas/Giddey should be seen as a good thing? Or at least an acceptable one.

I really like the idea here. I think Charlotte is probably owed some 2nds, though? Plus, it seems like they actually want to take a year to see what they have in some of these players and get another lottery pick, so I imagine they roll with what they (don't) have at center.

babyjax13 wrote:I really like the idea here. I think Charlotte is probably owed some 2nds, though? Plus, it seems like they actually want to take a year to see what they have in some of these players and get another lottery pick, so I imagine they roll with what they (don't) have at center.

I think that first is bad enough, that Gafford should be worth it.

But I also have to agree that what they’ve left at center suggests they are going for the top of the lottery again. Just don’t like that idea for them.

let us offload green instead of Pat C, and done

babyjax13 wrote:I really like the idea here. I think Charlotte is probably owed some 2nds, though? Plus, it seems like they actually want to take a year to see what they have in some of these players and get another lottery pick, so I imagine they roll with what they (don't) have at center.

I dont think Cha is owed anything tbh, Pat C is not even serviceable anymore, thy got 2nds just for taking him. Using him to upgrade their biggest need at the expense of just one of their many firsts is fair imo

daoneandonly wrote:

babyjax13 wrote:I really like the idea here. I think Charlotte is probably owed some 2nds, though? Plus, it seems like they actually want to take a year to see what they have in some of these players and get another lottery pick, so I imagine they roll with what they (don't) have at center.

I dont think Cha is owed anything tbh, Pat C is not even serviceable anymore, thy got 2nds just for taking him. Using him to upgrade their biggest need at the expense of just one of their many firsts is fair imo

Pat is expiring and the money needs to be matched somehow. I don't think there is much value owed to take him as matching salary, but YMMV.

HornetJail wrote:let us offload green instead of Pat C, and done

How much does Chicago think shorting Dallas is worth after helping them address their biggest need? I have no idea how much White would actually help, but I feel like its enough to make Dallas a top 8-9 in the West and with the West being stronger than the East, its hard to project that pick being any better than late lottery. Are they willing to give up White and take on the extra year of both Klay and Green for a pick in this range?

They probably should as they should be in asset collection mode and since they like to play for 10th well both Klay and Green can be in your rotation as you strive for that. But I'd say the value is bad for Chicago.

But if AD misses a bunch of games, then maybe Dallas does fall apart and you get a mid lotto pick? But Dallas should be willing to kick in a 2nd and if Charlotte would as well (and they should) then the value becomes fine with Green.

This is pretty convoluted, but if the swap is the worst of the Dallas/Magic, it's likely to be the Magic's pick.

So my read is that the Bulls get bad salary in exchange for two late firsts while sending out Jalen and White, which they might do in season if the decide to wave the white flag, but would be unlikely to do before the season even began

jbk1234 wrote:A swap goes out here and doesn't appear to land anywhere.

i assume they are sending the rights to swap their pick for the 2026 worst of ORL/PHX/MEM/WAS 1st from Charlotte. with the better of those picks going to Chicago

HornetJail wrote:

jbk1234 wrote:A swap goes out here and doesn't appear to land anywhere.

i assume they are sending the rights to swap their pick for the 2026 worst of ORL/PHX/MEM/WAS 1st from Charlotte. with the better of those picks going to Chicago

Then I'm not sure it's doable as structured as the Magic pick could theoretically get conveyed to two separate teams. However, even if you get past that, then the pick compensation is way too contingent here for the Bulls.

I think Cha would value Klay more than Chi. Kon has mentioned Klay is who he most modeled his game after, and Klay called him after his summer league honors.

The big problem here is that Charlotte still appears to be in tank/rebuild mode. A team like that isn't going to give up a 1st round pick for a veteran upgrade.

If Charlotte were trying then giving up a later 1st to sill their massive center hole with an acceptable starter would make sense, but they're not.

daoneandonly wrote:I think Cha would value Klay more than Chi. Kon has mentioned Klay is who he most modeled his game after, and Klay called him after his summer league honors.

Why would a team with Melo, Bridges, Sexton, three prospects it's seeking to develop, and in desperate need of defense, value Klay?

Klay is a salary dump unless you're taking back equal questionable salary.

jbk1234 wrote:

HornetJail wrote:

jbk1234 wrote:A swap goes out here and doesn't appear to land anywhere.

i assume they are sending the rights to swap their pick for the 2026 worst of ORL/PHX/MEM/WAS 1st from Charlotte. with the better of those picks going to Chicago

Then I'm not sure it's doable as structured as the Magic pick could theoretically get conveyed to two separate teams. However, even if you get past that, then the pick compensation is way too contingent here for the Bulls.

It is legal and is not that complicated, once you get passed the pick CLT owns.. Maybe I should not have short handed it. But that pick takes a lot of typing to spell out and I see Orlando as a different tier than Memphis, and the other two teams are pretty far down the list?

Chicago would be getting the better of “Dallas top 4 protected” or “worse of Phoenix, Washington, Orlando or Memphis”

CLT pays a very low upside first for a respectable starter at a position of need.

Dallas offers a pretty nice swap for a respectable starter at a position of need.

I don’t see Coby worth a pick that very likely conveys in the late lottery, so taking on Klay makes sense.

I don’t think Chicago does it with Charlotte also demanding to dump Green though.

You could make it legal with Dallas keeping Klay and sending out Hardy/Powell instead? I’d have to check math on Dallas staying under second apron, but seems fine. Chicago getting Green/Hardy/Powell instead of Klay - feels worse as someone who has watched a lot of all three guards.. But maybe close enough. Or maybe CLT adds a second or so.

Think CLT does the OP though. Unless they’re just tanking again.

I'm pretty sure the Bulls could get more for Coby tbh

That's maybe a late lottery pick but only maybe. ORL and DAL especially both aren't that far from the play in at least.

But that hardly matters because there's no way the Bulls want to take back a 35 year old Klay for 2 years and a 33 year old Connaughton for even one year. They're in the middle of resetting to a younger roster that can play at a faster pace that Billy D wants. You've also got them giving up bckup C Smith so if Vucevic remains as an expiring and Collins expirting they have absolutely no centers under contract.

The Bulls are better off for the next 2-3 years forgetting about that pick because they have their own going forward, maybe that PORT pick if it's just out of the lottery, keeping Smith and resigning White.

jayjaysee wrote:

jbk1234 wrote:

HornetJail wrote:i assume they are sending the rights to swap their pick for the 2026 worst of ORL/PHX/MEM/WAS 1st from Charlotte. with the better of those picks going to Chicago

Then I'm not sure it's doable as structured as the Magic pick could theoretically get conveyed to two separate teams. However, even if you get past that, then the pick compensation is way too contingent here for the Bulls.

It is legal and is not that complicated, once you get passed the pick CLT owns.. Maybe I should not have short handed it. But that pick takes a lot of typing to spell out and I see Orlando as a different tier than Memphis, and the other two teams are pretty far down the list?

Chicago would be getting the better of “Dallas top 4 protected” or “worse of Phoenix, Washington, Orlando or Memphis”

CLT pays a very low upside first for a respectable starter at a position of need.

Dallas offers a pretty nice swap for a respectable starter at a position of need.

So if Orlando finishes with a better record than everyone except Dallas, then the Bulls get the Dallas first with the Orlando first going back to Dallas (unless Dallas finishes bottom 4 then the Bulls get the Orlando pick and Dallas pays nothing).

I'd pass as the Bulls, at least right now. They're getting the two worst contracts, they still haven't come to terms with Giddey, and they started to put something together at the end of last season. This is giving up on the upcoming season before it begins and saddling themselves with Klay’s deal next summer.

HornetJail wrote:let us offload green instead of Pat C, and done

I'd do it under either scenario

I'd rather just take Gafford than that deal.

Tetlak wrote:I'm pretty sure the Bulls could get more for Coby tbh

Yeah. Bulls ain’t touching that.