AD Harper Risacher

[daoneandonly]

Worked on spotrac, would this have any legs?

Atl gets: Anthony Davis
Dallas gets: Dylan Harper, Kristpas Porzingis
SA gets: Zachary Risacher, Brandon WIlliams

Atlanta goes all in. The East is as wide open as ever, and the Hawks are already looking like a playoff team, and I think this puts them as the favorites. AD and Trae should fit like skinny jeans with a little wiggle room. SA has a buttload of guards, and they just paid Fox a ton. Wemby gets his fellow #1 pick Frenchmen to form a scary frontcourt for the now but especially the future. Dallas does the obvious thing and pivots, the future would be Flagg and Harper, and vets like Kyrie-Klay-PJ still make them competitive so its still fun basketball to watch. If petty Nico still wants to stick it to Luka, getting KP back for the guy you traded him for is up his alley.

[tcheco]

Spurs didnt use their pick to get a star, but will trade him for Risacher? Seems hard to believe that anything changed this last weeks since the draft. Fox extension was a certain thing when they drafted Harper already too. I do like the fit, but seems unlikely, and a big bet on the Spurs side for no reason at all

[Bornstellar]

This is a terrible return for Dallas. AD is worth a lot more than that. And Spurs are not trading Harper for Risacher

[jayjaysee]

IMO SAS either takes AD and tries to win a title or keeps Harper and believes they will win multiple titles. I think you keep Harper there and see what happens, but no involving Atlanta either way imo. Harper is too good a prospect to trade for roster fit.

Seems like a better conversation with Castle though?

I do like AD in Atlanta but can’t see the actual deal working now that they’ve filled their roster so close to the tax..

Don’t see Atlanta going over the tax this season though which would mean trading one of their MLE level contracts later on (and adding a bit more salary to the OP to stay under the first apron).. It is possible, but just seems unlikely. OO/Jalen’s cheap contracts would make carrying AD’s max semi-affordable. And the three bigs would be a tough matchup for most teams.

[longfellow44]

San antonio are getting screwed here
Atlanta does well
Dallas is getting a dream deal, no way is AD worth that much.

[BK_2020]

San antonio are getting screwed here
Atlanta does well
Dallas is getting a dream deal, no way is AD worth that much.

AD was worth a Luka Doncic just a few months ago.

[daoneandonly]

Interesting spectrum here, from Dallas is getting too much to a terrible return for Dallas. Is the truth somewhere in the middle?

[jayjaysee]

I still think there should be a two team Castle/AD based deal without a ton of extra needed. SAS has some salary filler to make the deal easy. Fox/Harper/AD/Wemby would be affordable for two full seasons and you can pivot after the 2027 season.. That looks like a really ideal way to bring Victor/Carter/Harper into the league.

And the defensive potential with Castle/Flagg/Lively is exciting for Nico, while the tank could lead to Peterson or AJ.. PJ/Kyrie kept around to ease the pick debt..

[daoneandonly]

I still think there should be a two team Castle/AD based deal without a ton of extra needed. SAS has some salary filler to make the deal easy. Fox/Harper/AD/Wemby would be affordable for two full seasons and you can pivot after the 2027 season.. That looks like a really ideal way to bring Victor/Carter/Harper into the league.

And the defensive potential with Castle/Flagg/Lively is exciting for Nico, while the tank could lead to Peterson or AJ.. PJ/Kyrie kept around to ease the pick debt..

The question is what would the filler be though? And wouldn't SA owe Dal at least a pick or two?

[jayjaysee]

I still think there should be a two team Castle/AD based deal without a ton of extra needed. SAS has some salary filler to make the deal easy. Fox/Harper/AD/Wemby would be affordable for two full seasons and you can pivot after the 2027 season.. That looks like a really ideal way to bring Victor/Carter/Harper into the league.

And the defensive potential with Castle/Flagg/Lively is exciting for Nico, while the tank could lead to Peterson or AJ.. PJ/Kyrie kept around to ease the pick debt..

The question is what would the filler be though? And wouldn't SA owe Dal at least a pick or two?

The filler wouldn’t matter much to me honestly, since AD makes so much.

Assume SAS would keep Vassell with Castle leaving so in a week you could do..

Keldon, Barnes, Olynyk, Castle for AD, Williams, Hardy, Powell.. Which keeps SAS out of the tax this season. It’s not a perfect swap for SAS, but I just wanted to try the 4/4..

I think it works better as Keldon, Barnes, Kelly, Castle for AD, Naji, Williams. And Dallas finds a team that is semi interested in Olynyk, or uses a second to dump Powell. That gives SAS a useful two way forward (since they’re trading two rotation forwards) and leaves them just under 2 mil for their 14th roster spot to stay under the tax.

Powell dumped means Dallas is under first apron. If you can dump Olynyk into Charlotte’s MLE, you are under the tax.. No idea if that’s a realistic leg, but would seem to be one..

As for extra, yeah. I think Dallas is owed with/without Naji. But I don’t think SAS considers moving Harper and should move Castle.

[daoneandonly]

I still think there should be a two team Castle/AD based deal without a ton of extra needed. SAS has some salary filler to make the deal easy. Fox/Harper/AD/Wemby would be affordable for two full seasons and you can pivot after the 2027 season.. That looks like a really ideal way to bring Victor/Carter/Harper into the league.

And the defensive potential with Castle/Flagg/Lively is exciting for Nico, while the tank could lead to Peterson or AJ.. PJ/Kyrie kept around to ease the pick debt..

The question is what would the filler be though? And wouldn't SA owe Dal at least a pick or two?

The filler wouldn’t matter much to me honestly, since AD makes so much.

Assume SAS would keep Vassell with Castle leaving so in a week you could do..

Keldon, Barnes, Olynyk, Castle for AD, Williams, Hardy, Powell.. Which keeps SAS out of the tax this season. It’s not a perfect swap for SAS, but I just wanted to try the 4/4..

I think it works better as Keldon, Barnes, Kelly, Castle for AD, Naji, Williams. And Dallas finds a team that is semi interested in Olynyk, or uses a second to dump Powell. That gives SAS a useful two way forward (since they’re trading two rotation forwards) and leaves them just under 2 mil for their 14th roster spot to stay under the tax.

Powell dumped means Dallas is under first apron. If you can dump Olynyk into Charlotte’s MLE, you are under the tax.. No idea if that’s a realistic leg, but would seem to be one..

As for extra, yeah. I think Dallas is owed with/without Naji. But I don’t think SAS considers moving Harper and should move Castle.

Yeah, Harper would be the dream target, but I'd be okay with Castle, provided some draft capital came to Dallas with him, since he likely won't have the Harper level potential, and we'd have to take on Mr. Irrelevant Keldon Johnson. I'd keep Naji in any AD deal as he can and should be the primary backup 4, and look to move Barnes and/or KO to a contender at a later time.

[jayjaysee]

Yeah, Harper would be the dream target, but I'd be okay with Castle, provided some draft capital came to Dallas with him, since he likely won't have the Harper level potential, and we'd have to take on Mr. Irrelevant Keldon Johnson. I'd keep Naji in any AD deal as he can and should be the primary backup 4, and look to move Barnes and/or KO to a contender at a later time.

I’d like to keep Naji as well, but he wouldn’t be a deal breaker if SAS added extra for him. And I think they’d add some minor value as their forward depth gets sent out and Naji is a safe vet.. Dallas depth chart looks fine as…

PF - PJ “28”/ Barnes “15” Flagg “5”
SF - Flagg 25 / Martin and Keldon however splitting the rest

By the time you flip Barnes, you’ll shake up the roster and find a new small minute back up four for the rest of the season..

DLO, Castle and Flagg getting to lead the offense for a year should result in Dallas finishing in the bottom 6 and then the team looks completely different.

[longfellow44]

San antonio are getting screwed here
Atlanta does well
Dallas is getting a dream deal, no way is AD worth that much.

AD was worth a Luka Doncic just a few months ago.

No he wasn't.

Mavs just got scarred of paying the supermax, panicked and made a bad deal.

[One_and_Done]

Absolutely horrendous for the Spurs. Harper's trade value is more than everything else in this deal.

[Wolveswin]

I think it should be direct between Mavs and Hawks.

Risacher/KP for Davis

Hawks add those sexy NOP 1sts owed. One for sure maybe both.

Mavs can choose to send KP to another team, same with other vets. But the Davis trade is simple direct with Hawks.

[Domejandro]

I guess my confusion is "Why wouldn't San Antonio just directly trade for Anthony Davis, if they are trading Dylan Harper?"

[One_and_Done]

I guess my confusion is "Why wouldn't San Antonio just directly trade for Anthony Davis, if they are trading Dylan Harper?"

Because their franchise player already plays the 5? Because Harper is worth much more than AD? Because AD is 33 yrs old and injury prone? I can keep going on all the reasons this is horrible for the Spurs.

If the OP wants to move AD, can I suggest they try moving him to a more desperate team? Maybe the Blazers or Bulls would be good partners?

[dms269]

I think it should be direct between Mavs and Hawks.

Risacher/KP for Davis

Hawks add those sexy NOP 1sts owed. One for sure maybe both.

Mavs can choose to send KP to another team, same with other vets. But the Davis trade is simple direct with Hawks.

I can't imagine Atlanta would be willing to do this at all considering AD's salary, health issues, age, and positional problems with Atlanta's already established team.

[schaffy]

The return for San Antonio is short. By quite a bit. I dont know that anyone valued Harper and Risacher as similar ceiling prospects. Plus Harper has 1 extra year of team control. I dont think an unguaranteed, expiring contract of a 25 yr old backup PG comes close to bridging that gap.

The direction for Atlanta also feels weird, and I doubt they do it. But if they would, its way easier as a 2 team deal between Dallas and Atlanta. And since you seem to be valuing Harper and Risacher at the same value, that should be fine.

[jayjaysee]

I guess my confusion is "Why wouldn't San Antonio just directly trade for Anthony Davis, if they are trading Dylan Harper?"

Because their franchise player already plays the 5? Because Harper is worth much more than AD? Because AD is 33 yrs old and injury prone? I can keep going on all the reasons this is horrible for the Spurs.

If the OP wants to move AD, can I suggest they try moving him to a more desperate team? Maybe the Blazers or Bulls would be good partners?

You responded to a question stating “if they are trading Dylan Harper” seems like that’s more comparing Risacher to AD for SAS? Maybe I read that post wrong but that was my take. Maybe you just needed to get that rant out though?

they should not trade Harper here.

But “if they are trading Dylan Harper” they should take the guy that maybe helps win a title in the next 2-3 years versus the guy that’s a good fit.

AD would not be a full time five in SAS, just like he’s not a full time five in Dallas. If he were, Dallas probably doesn’t have two other starting centers on their roster.. AD could play 18-20 mpg with Victor and be the main backup center in games that matter..