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UTA trades: Jusuf Nurkic
in: DeMar DeRozan (bought out), 2026 CHA 2nd (if 31-55), 2026 NOP/POR/NYK/MIN 2nd (most favorable), $7.5 million cash
Utah gets what is likely two high second round picks in next year's draft - which looks both incredibly deep and well above average up top.

BOS trades: Anfernee Simons, 2026 NOP/POR/NYK/MIN 2nd (most favorable)
in: Jusuf Nurkic
Boston drops salary and gets front court depth. It isn't good front court depth.

SAC trades: DeMar DeRozan, 2026 CHA 2nd (if 31-55), $7.5 million cash
in: Anfernee Simons
Sacramento flips DeRozan for a combo guard who can light it up. I think they can experiment and see if Schroeder or Simons work better with Sabonis. I suspect Anfernee will.

I would do it, but I can't imagine our trash owner would.

I'd probably even cut out Boston and just take Nurkic while adding another 2nd from our end.

LightTheBeam wrote:I would do it, but I can't imagine our trash owner would.

I'd probably even cut out Boston and just take Nurkic while adding another 2nd from our end.

I actually think Simons would be a fun fit on the team.

Simons - LaVine - Ellis(?) - Murray - Sabonis

That will be a fun offense.

I think BOS does it. Would probably flip Nurk later to really duck the tax, if this is the route they go. Maybe haggle over worst vs best of the 2nds.

babyjax13 wrote:UTA trades: Jusuf Nurkic
in: DeMar DeRozan (bought out), 2026 CHA 2nd (if 31-55), 2026 NOP/POR/NYK/MIN 2nd (most favorable), $7.5 million cash
Utah gets what is likely two high second round picks in next year's draft - which looks both incredibly deep and well above average up top.

BOS trades: Anfernee Simons, 2026 NOP/POR/NYK/MIN 2nd (most favorable)
in: Jusuf Nurkic
Boston drops salary and gets front court depth. It isn't good front court depth.

SAC trades: DeMar DeRozan, 2026 CHA 2nd (if 31-55), $7.5 million cash
in: Anfernee Simons
Sacramento flips DeRozan for a combo guard who can light it up. I think they can experiment and see if Schroeder or Simons work better with Sabonis. I suspect Anfernee will.

Everybody passes imo

Celtics do not duck the tax, and the tax savings in itself isn't worth giving up assets
Utah doesn't buy out Derozen's next yr's salary, just too rich -- not for this assets incoming
Sacramento isn't going to send out this amount of cash, and just acquired Shroder and Nique looked good in SL, they arent going to want to bury those guys behind Simons.

everybody passes... sorry to be excessively negative, but i am not seeing it from any team's perspective

redslastlaugh wrote:

babyjax13 wrote:UTA trades: Jusuf Nurkic
in: DeMar DeRozan (bought out), 2026 CHA 2nd (if 31-55), 2026 NOP/POR/NYK/MIN 2nd (most favorable), $7.5 million cash
Utah gets what is likely two high second round picks in next year's draft - which looks both incredibly deep and well above average up top.

BOS trades: Anfernee Simons, 2026 NOP/POR/NYK/MIN 2nd (most favorable)
in: Jusuf Nurkic
Boston drops salary and gets front court depth. It isn't good front court depth.

SAC trades: DeMar DeRozan, 2026 CHA 2nd (if 31-55), $7.5 million cash
in: Anfernee Simons
Sacramento flips DeRozan for a combo guard who can light it up. I think they can experiment and see if Schroeder or Simons work better with Sabonis. I suspect Anfernee will.

Everybody passes imo

Celtics do not duck the tax, and the tax savings in itself isn't worth giving up assets
Utah doesn't buy out Derozen's next yr's salary, just too rich -- not for this assets incoming
Sacramento isn't going to send out this amount of cash, and just acquired Shroder and Nique looked good in SL, they arent going to want to bury those guys behind Simons.

everybody passes... sorry to be excessively negative, but i am not seeing it from any team's perspective

It gets BOS pretty dang close, esp if we add X to UTAH and go with 14. Down to $1.2M over, which you could easily handle at\by the deadline.

babyjax13 wrote:

LightTheBeam wrote:I would do it, but I can't imagine our trash owner would.

I'd probably even cut out Boston and just take Nurkic while adding another 2nd from our end.

I actually think Simons would be a fun fit on the team.

Simons - LaVine - Ellis(?) - Murray - Sabonis

That will be a fun offense.

Do you think that simons is a better point guard than Monk? Because if he isn't then I would rather stick with Schroeder at point guard, I'm not sure why the kings would be targeting another score first combo guard.

The value seems fine but I'm not sure that the fit makes any sense

djFan71 wrote:It gets BOS pretty dang close, esp if we add X to UTAH and go with 14. Down to $1.2M over, which you could easily handle at\by the deadline.

Yea maybe, Nurk is $19.4 on hoopshype and one big drawback is he's cooked. Simons has a chance at looking really good and being worth something closer to the trade deadline. Nurk is done as positive value. Plus Nurkic is one of the dirtier players and seems like a high chance at becoming a lockerroom malcontent

If you move Simons and Tillman and take back just Nurk, you still need to add a 14th guy. So it seems you are still $3 or $4 over, and then you are probably paying another draft asset to move Nurk later in the year.

I think Brad would pass on Nurkic. Maybe closer to the deadline in a pure financial engineering type of trade, where Nurkic never even reports to Boston and then is rerouted ... but don't see that possibility at this point, not now in September imo

longfellow44 wrote:

babyjax13 wrote:

LightTheBeam wrote:I would do it, but I can't imagine our trash owner would.

I'd probably even cut out Boston and just take Nurkic while adding another 2nd from our end.

I actually think Simons would be a fun fit on the team.

Simons - LaVine - Ellis(?) - Murray - Sabonis

That will be a fun offense.

Do you think that simons is a better point guard than Monk? Because if he isn't then I would rather stick with Schroeder at point guard, I'm not sure why the kings would be targeting another score first combo guard.

The value seems fine but I'm not sure that the fit makes any sense

I do think he is better at the 1 than Monk. I'll just be very transparent here and say that I think Schroder is a terrible starting point guard and every team he has been on has moved on as fast as possible. I think that is because he isn't really a starter, but he also has a reputation of being a dick.

Boston should wait for a deal to dump at least $20 million.

babyjax13 wrote:

LightTheBeam wrote:I would do it, but I can't imagine our trash owner would.

I'd probably even cut out Boston and just take Nurkic while adding another 2nd from our end.

I actually think Simons would be a fun fit on the team.

Simons - LaVine - Ellis(?) - Murray - Sabonis

That will be a fun offense.

What does Simons provide that Monk doesnt? We already have enough guys who want the ball in their hands.

babyjax13 wrote:

longfellow44 wrote:

babyjax13 wrote:I actually think Simons would be a fun fit on the team.

Simons - LaVine - Ellis(?) - Murray - Sabonis

That will be a fun offense.

Do you think that simons is a better point guard than Monk? Because if he isn't then I would rather stick with Schroeder at point guard, I'm not sure why the kings would be targeting another score first combo guard.

The value seems fine but I'm not sure that the fit makes any sense

I do think he is better at the 1 than Monk. I'll just be very transparent here and say that I think Schroder is a terrible starting point guard and every team he has been on has moved on as fast as possible. I think that is because he isn't really a starter, but he also has a reputation of being a dick.

I'm not a huge Schroder fan, but this doesn't really seem accurate.
Good in OKC
Good in LA (enough so they went back and got him again, then offered a large contract)
Good in Brooklyn, and was overachieving there so they had to trade him..
Sucked in GS playing out of position
Detroit absolutely loved him.

Had a few other short stops along the way, and I won't argue he was the perfect fit there. I think hes a medicore starting pg that teams typically target as a stop gap, then get value trading him when they realize its time to tank. Kings probably going to wind up in that same boat, but I can promise you Simons isn't a better option nor will he change the inevitable incoming trash Kings season.

LightTheBeam wrote:

babyjax13 wrote:

LightTheBeam wrote:I would do it, but I can't imagine our trash owner would.

I'd probably even cut out Boston and just take Nurkic while adding another 2nd from our end.

I actually think Simons would be a fun fit on the team.

Simons - LaVine - Ellis(?) - Murray - Sabonis

That will be a fun offense.

What does Simons provide that Monk doesnt? We already have enough guys who want the ball in their hands.

Higher volume scoring on better efficiency, of late. Younger, can operate on and off ball, has a bit more ability to create his own shot with the ball, and I think he is a bit better as a secondary creator (albeit Monk had a lot of assists this year). I don't think it is some huge difference, though.

babyjax13 wrote:

LightTheBeam wrote:

babyjax13 wrote:I actually think Simons would be a fun fit on the team.

Simons - LaVine - Ellis(?) - Murray - Sabonis

That will be a fun offense.

What does Simons provide that Monk doesnt? We already have enough guys who want the ball in their hands.

Higher volume scoring on better efficiency, of late. Younger, can operate on and off ball, has a bit more ability to create his own shot with the ball, and I think he is a bit better as a secondary creator (albeit Monk had a lot of assists this year). I don't think it is some huge difference, though.

One by one -
Higher volume scoring on better efficiency - I'd love to find out where those touches come from. Even with removing DeRozan, we already have Schroder, laVine, Monk, Murray, Sabonis, who need touches, and Keon, Nique, Carter who we'd love to find touches for. I'm not seeing higher volume scoring as a plus. As for the efficiency, TS% and EFG% are minimal differences between the two.

Younger - Doesn't feel relevant at all. One is 27, the other is 26. You damn sure don't want to be tied to both long term.

Can operate off ball - Monk was at his best operating offball next to Fox. This was very clear and obvious the minute Fox left. The next best lineup was when we had Monk-Keon-Derozan and he also primarily functioned off ball next to DeRozan. He was clearly worse when he shared with LaVine, and was forced to be the primary on ball player. Usage Rated are almost identical.

Has a bit more ability to create his own shot with the ball - Disagree. Not sure what stats back this up. They both are capable here.

Better as secondary creator - Again disagree. Monks assist % and raw assists both were higher. He excels in the pick and role, and was always a catalyst to unlocking Sabonis offense. Again any difference here is minimal, but Id clearly lean towards Monk.

Your last statement is really all that matters. There's not some huge difference. Both are undersized shooting guards with some secondary play making ability and best served as a 6th man. Kings should not want two of them, and based on reports id question they even want the first one.

I think moving Demar for Nurkic makes sense as we are lacking a true backup C, and it clears money for next year. Moving him for Simons is just moving one of the only 6'7+ guys we have for another 6'2 score first guard. I'd do it just to buy out Simons, but would have less than zero interest seeing Simons put on a Kings uniform.

BK_2020 wrote:Boston should wait for a deal to dump at least $20 million.

Which team has the capability to eat 20 million of Simons deal?

LightTheBeam wrote:

BK_2020 wrote:Boston should wait for a deal to dump at least $20 million.

Which team has the capability to eat 20 million of Simons deal?

this trade would actually be an example of one because the Celtics can waive and stretch Nurkic for $5.5-6.5 M/year (depending on any other NBA team picking him up and offsets his current salary by a minimum)

Pass for Sac and I honestly don’t think the other teams see enough benefit to do it either.

Simons is overpriced and a terrible fit. Yet another score first combo guard? No thanks. We need to clear the backcourt glut of those now and cannot get rid of them.

LightTheBeam wrote:

BK_2020 wrote:Boston should wait for a deal to dump at least $20 million.

Which team has the capability to eat 20 million of Simons deal?

The Jazz

BK_2020 wrote:

LightTheBeam wrote:

BK_2020 wrote:Boston should wait for a deal to dump at least $20 million.

Which team has the capability to eat 20 million of Simons deal?

The Jazz

Boston is 12 million over the tax, why would they need to dump 20?

jayjaysee wrote:

BK_2020 wrote:

LightTheBeam wrote:
Which team has the capability to eat 20 million of Simons deal?

The Jazz

Boston is 12 million over the tax, why would they need to dump 20?

Better vibes? Bring Yam Madar over? Or just dump 12. But regardless Nurkic doesn't get them there.