Bullish Nico tries to Jazz things up

[daoneandonly]

The title may be the only decent thing about this post, but here goes nothing

Chi town gets: Daniel Gafford, Naji Marshall, Brandon Williams
Mavs gets: Ayo Dosunmu, Jalen Smith, KJ Martin
Utah gets: Jevon Carter

Chi gets an upgrade at the 5 and a solid all-around player in Naji, who can start alongside Buz until Noa is ready. Brandon Williams is a cheaper, younger guard who can replace Carter.

If Nico is insistent on keeping AD, he should at least concede his best position is starting Center with Flagg and PJ at the 3-4. Lively should be the primary backup with Smith as the 3rd center ready to play when those two inevitably miss time. Ayo can start the season with Klay and then move to a more natural two-guard position when Kyrie returns. KJ will provide more depth at the forward position with PJ moving into the starting lineup.

Utah just swaps one player for another. With Henricks coming back and Bailey on board, they are filled at the forward spots and could use another guard.

[ChettheJet]

Can't get why UT is even involved

If DAL's main goal is dropping salary I guess they do it. But they have to give up more substance to move their mistake in signing Gafford for so long.

IF and it's a BIG IF the Bulls like Gafford coming back, the other two guys aren't worth the trouble.
The older Marshall isn't going to start over Okoro or Patrick Williams probably not over Kevin Huerter and they don't want the extra year on his contract. The off season saw them resign Giddey and Jones they don't need to trade for another PG.

To me Gafford is signed for way too long for too much money for being a strictly defensive center. The Bulls still have Vucevic and Zach Collins who are both expiring, Gafford has a shooting range of 4 feet, at this point the Bulls can't really put 4 scorers/shooters on the floor to make up for his lack of scoring threat.

[SkyHook]

The title may be the only decent thing about this post, but here goes nothing

Chi town gets: Daniel Gafford, Naji Marshall, Brandon Williams
Mavs gets: Ayo Dosunmu, Jalen Smith, KJ Martin
Utah gets: Jevon Carter

Chi gets an upgrade at the 5 and a solid all-around player in Naji, who can start alongside Buz until Noa is ready. Brandon Williams is a cheaper, younger guard who can replace Carter.

If Nico is insistent on keeping AD, he should at least concede his best position is starting Center with Flagg and PJ at the 3-4. Lively should be the primary backup with Smith as the 3rd center ready to play when those two inevitably miss time. Ayo can start the season with Klay and then move to a more natural two-guard position when Kyrie returns. KJ will provide more depth at the forward position with PJ moving into the starting lineup.

Utah just swaps one player for another. With Henricks coming back and Bailey on board, they are filled at the forward spots and could use another guard.

Utah's inclusion is unnecessary. They have plenty of undersized guards already and would likely rather have Martin's unguaranteed contract than Carter's.

[babyjax13]

Yah, Utah has too many guards as it is. I actually think Carter can still be useful to the right team - probably after a buyout, though - but Utah isn't the right place. I think Dallas could actually use him, but I don't know how I feel about the value. I like Ayo a lot, so I think I have

Ayo > Gafford
Smith = Marshall
Carter < Williams

So maybe it is fine, value wise?

[daoneandonly]

Yah, Utah has too many guards as it is. I actually think Carter can still be useful to the right team - probably after a buyout, though - but Utah isn't the right place. I think Dallas could actually use him, but I don't know how I feel about the value. I like Ayo a lot, so I think I have

Ayo > Gafford
Smith = Marshall
Carter < Williams

So maybe it is fine, value wise?

Yeah Utah isnt needed, I just tried to find a team with a forward around Carter's salary and tier, but the true get for Dallas are the Chi guys. I just think it makes them much more balanced.

[jayjaysee]

I actually like the fit for Chicago and Dallas.

Utah isn’t really needed and They’d be better off just waiving KMJ.. I’d just look for the follow up trade of Carter later. Or keep him and plan on Martin with some Klay/Christie being the backup SF minutes.

[babyjax13]

I actually like the fit for Chicago and Dallas.

Utah isn’t really needed and They’d be better off just waiving KMJ.. I’d just look for the follow up trade of Carter later. Or keep him and plan on Martin with some Klay/Christie being the backup SF minutes.

I think our FO and coaching staff actually like KMJ, and we have so few players who can ... kind of ... play small forward.

[daoneandonly]

I actually like the fit for Chicago and Dallas.

Utah isn’t really needed and They’d be better off just waiving KMJ.. I’d just look for the follow up trade of Carter later. Or keep him and plan on Martin with some Klay/Christie being the backup SF minutes.

You actually inspired this OP with your comments on my Naji thread. Yeah, Utah can be taken out, and a later trade of Carter, Hardy, or Powell for a forward would surely suffice. But I really like Ayo as a starting guard and Jalen as the third center and even backup 4 at times.

[jbk1234]

Can Gafford be aggregated so soon after getting extended? Was that one of the changes to the CBA?

In any event, I don't really see Dallas doing this, and I see the Bulls very much wanting to send back an expiring Vuc.

[jayjaysee]

I actually like the fit for Chicago and Dallas.

Utah isn’t really needed and They’d be better off just waiving KMJ.. I’d just look for the follow up trade of Carter later. Or keep him and plan on Martin with some Klay/Christie being the backup SF minutes.

You actually inspired this OP with your comments on my Naji thread. Yeah, Utah can be taken out, and a later trade of Carter, Hardy, or Powell for a forward would surely suffice. But I really like Ayo as a starting guard and Jalen as the third center and even backup 4 at times.

Yeah, I have tried a bunch of Ayo to Dallas deals before/after Luka.

I think with Okoro/Patrick and Noa it’s probably tough to still pitch Naji there. I’d rather have Naji than all those guys, but understand they already have pieces.. But with the guard “depth” Chicago has, I would think Ayo is available.

Maybe..

Saric “ and a Sac vet min” with 2 Sac seconds and a Dallas one to Chicago
Naji to Sac
Ayo to Dallas

Don’t know/care which vet min Chicago takes, but it keeps Sac under the tax..

[jayjaysee]

Can Gafford be aggregated so soon after getting extended? Was that one of the changes to the CBA?

In any event, I don't really see Dallas doing this, and I see the Bulls very much wanting to send back an expiring Vuc.

Dallas extended him to exactly 120%.. which is the new line for keeping extended players trade eligible..

Do not see any interest in actually trading him coming from Dallas though. Just us fans wondering why you want 3 starting level centers and no starting level guards.. (yes a bit of over exaggeration)

[jbk1234]

Can Gafford be aggregated so soon after getting extended? Was that one of the changes to the CBA?

In any event, I don't really see Dallas doing this, and I see the Bulls very much wanting to send back an expiring Vuc.

Dallas extended him to exactly 120%.. which is the new line for keeping extended players trade eligible..

Do not see any interest in actually trading him coming from Dallas though. Just us fans wondering why you want 3 starting level centers and no starting level guards.. (yes a bit of over exaggeration)

Lively and AD are injury risks, AD doesn't want to play center, and if Gafford is a starting-caliber center, he's like bottom-5 caliber.

Gafford probably ends up getting traded at some point, but until Flagg actually plays, and Kyrie comes back, the Mavs don't really know where they're at. I disagree that playing Lively and AD a ton of minutes at center is a good idea though. Outside of Flagg, those are their two best trade assets and if the keep getting injured, you're in a Porzingis situation.

[jayjaysee]

Can Gafford be aggregated so soon after getting extended? Was that one of the changes to the CBA?

In any event, I don't really see Dallas doing this, and I see the Bulls very much wanting to send back an expiring Vuc.

Dallas extended him to exactly 120%.. which is the new line for keeping extended players trade eligible..

Do not see any interest in actually trading him coming from Dallas though. Just us fans wondering why you want 3 starting level centers and no starting level guards.. (yes a bit of over exaggeration)

Lively and AD are injury risks, AD doesn't want to play center, and if Gafford is a starting-caliber center, he's like bottom-5 caliber.

Gafford probably ends up getting traded at some point, but until Flagg actually plays, and Kyrie comes back, the Mavs don't really know where they're at. I disagree that playing Lively and AD a ton of minutes at center is a good idea though. Outside of Flagg, those are their two best trade assets and if the keep getting injured, you're in a Porzingis situation.

Yeah, he would be a bottom five starting center.
And sophomore Lively is a bottom five-ish starting center as well imho.

AD has played a lot of center minutes in Dallas. And will likely continue to. If Flagg works out to be as good as people think, there’s no way you don’t want to run Flagg/PJ/AD together for a couple minutes a quarter (and likely the closing line up)..

But DLO/Klay are probably bottom five starters at their position? And the combination is bottom 2-3 in the league at least, amongst teams trying to win?

I don’t think the impact of going from Gafford to a worse backup big (Drummond, Jalen, Richards, etc) would be what ruined Dallas’ season/ceiling. I do understand the need for having a useful big behind AD/Lively.

[daoneandonly]

Dallas extended him to exactly 120%.. which is the new line for keeping extended players trade eligible..

Do not see any interest in actually trading him coming from Dallas though. Just us fans wondering why you want 3 starting level centers and no starting level guards.. (yes a bit of over exaggeration)

Lively and AD are injury risks, AD doesn't want to play center, and if Gafford is a starting-caliber center, he's like bottom-5 caliber.

Gafford probably ends up getting traded at some point, but until Flagg actually plays, and Kyrie comes back, the Mavs don't really know where they're at. I disagree that playing Lively and AD a ton of minutes at center is a good idea though. Outside of Flagg, those are their two best trade assets and if the keep getting injured, you're in a Porzingis situation.

Yeah, he would be a bottom five starting center.
And sophomore Lively is a bottom five-ish starting center as well imho.

AD has played a lot of center minutes in Dallas. And will likely continue to. If Flagg works out to be as good as people think, there’s no way you don’t want to run Flagg/PJ/AD together for a couple minutes a quarter (and likely the closing line up)..

But DLO/Klay are probably bottom five starters at their position? And the combination is bottom 2-3 in the league at least, amongst teams trying to win?

I don’t think the impact of going from Gafford to a worse backup big (Drummond, Jalen, Richards, etc) would be what ruined Dallas’ season/ceiling. I do understand the need for having a useful big behind AD/Lively.

Agree with jay

I guess a question to pose is, who's the best young guard Lively could net in a trade? If AD is the 5 and Gaff his main backup.

I like D-Live and wouldnt want to trade him, he was huge in the Finals run. But the Mavs are where they are