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Charlotte trades:
Miles Bridges
Pat
Josh Green
Salaun
2026 first
2027 First from Dallas
2027 First Miami lottery protected
2029 First via Utah/Cleveland/Minny(most favourable)


Utah Trades
Lauri
Filipowski

Charlotte gets tired of waiting and believe that having Ball, Miller, Knuppel is a good base of potencial to compete when adding Lauri and make use of their young players rookie contracts. They move a ton of picks but dont lose all controll over their own picks too.

Utah cashes in for Lauri getting 4 picks, Pat will expire, Miles Bridges and Green are expiring next year making them easy to move for more value next season.

Hornets
Ball/Mann
Sexton/Dinwiddie
Miller/Kon
Lauri/Grant Williams/Salaun
Filipowski/Diabate

Charlotte fans won’t like this but I’d say for both sides adding Kessler instead of filipowski probably makes it more palatable. Walker gives that Charlotte team much needed defence.

Saul Goodman wrote:Charlotte fans won’t like this but I’d say for both sides adding Kessler instead of filipowski probably makes it more palatable. Walker gives that Charlotte team much needed defence.

Felt like Hornets fan would be mad at this version, Utah fans would be mad at the addition of Kessler

tcheco wrote:

Saul Goodman wrote:Charlotte fans won’t like this but I’d say for both sides adding Kessler instead of filipowski probably makes it more palatable. Walker gives that Charlotte team much needed defence.

Felt like Hornets fan would be mad at this version, Utah fans would be mad at the addition of Kessler

I would probably add Kessler to this, but I would want to keep Filipowski in that case (who is pretty redundant with Lauri, anyway). I will always bet on picks from the Pelicans, Hornets, and Kings until they prove they can be consistently good. For the same reason, none of those teams should trade their own picks.

Another problem with the 2nd trade is that Lauri makes nearly $50 mil per season and Kessler could be asking near $30 mil per season in an extension. Charlotte just drafted Kalkbrenner to eventually fill the backup center so doubt they would have interest in the OP's deal.

I think Hornets will likely wait until next offseason to fill the starting center role. There are a bunch of starter level guys who could be available next season due to free agency/apron/fit issues (Porzingis, Hartenstein, Allen, Gobert, Gafford, etc). TBH I think they secretly want to be bad this coming season in order to potentially draft Boozer but that's just me.

mg wrote:Another problem with the 2nd trade is that Lauri makes nearly $50 mil per season and Kessler could be asking near $30 mil per season in an extension. Charlotte just drafted Kalkbrenner to eventually fill the backup center so doubt they would have interest in the OP's deal.

I think Hornets will likely wait until next offseason to fill the starting center role. There are a bunch of starter level guys who could be available next season due to free agency/apron/fit issues (Porzingis, Hartenstein, Allen, Gobert, Gafford, etc). TBH I think they secretly want to be bad this coming season in order to potentially draft Boozer but that's just me.

I am not sure what Kalkbrenner has to do with anything, Kessler is a starting center. But I do agree, they didn't trade for or sign a center because they want one more chance at a high pick.

I don't think I'm willing to offer all that anymore. Make it Kessler instead of Filipkowski and I would maybe consider it

EDIT: Never mind, I missed the 2026 1st. You can have the trash one Phoenix gave us for Nurkic, not our own

I have Lauri as worth maybe one pick so I would say no. The difference in on court production in Lauri and Miles Bridges isn't 4 picks. At 50 mil per season he is best case a 2nd class star who can drag you to the middle and worst case a bad contract.

Seems like Utah has realized there is not much of a market for him and decided to keep him and build around him. I think they wanted to tank for some top end talent but are realizing they don't really have the stomach for it.

The Hornets have no business making this trade. Lauri's a good player when on a good team, but they still don't have a center after this trade, LeMelo is still a huge injury risk, and the Hornets are still a bad team. The inclusion of the unprotected 2026 1st should end the conversation. Maybe sub Knueppel, who the Hornets should really take a look at before trading for Lauri at all, and it makes sense.

babyjax13 wrote:

tcheco wrote:

Saul Goodman wrote:Charlotte fans won’t like this but I’d say for both sides adding Kessler instead of filipowski probably makes it more palatable. Walker gives that Charlotte team much needed defence.

Felt like Hornets fan would be mad at this version, Utah fans would be mad at the addition of Kessler

I would probably add Kessler to this, but I would want to keep Filipowski in that case (who is pretty redundant with Lauri, anyway). I will always bet on picks from the Pelicans, Hornets, and Kings until they prove they can be consistently good. For the same reason, none of those teams should trade their own picks.

Kessler and Lauri for Pat, Green, Bridges, the 3 1sts, and 3 2nds instead of Salaun? Shaves $3.1M off Utah's cap, while making them 4 games worse and halving the years owed Lauri. or does Salaun hold value for Utah as a future piece? Also I really don't think Filipowski wants to leave the state, right?

axeman23 wrote:

babyjax13 wrote:

tcheco wrote:Felt like Hornets fan would be mad at this version, Utah fans would be mad at the addition of Kessler

I would probably add Kessler to this, but I would want to keep Filipowski in that case (who is pretty redundant with Lauri, anyway). I will always bet on picks from the Pelicans, Hornets, and Kings until they prove they can be consistently good. For the same reason, none of those teams should trade their own picks.

Kessler and Lauri for Pat, Green, Bridges, the 3 1sts, and 3 2nds instead of Salaun? Shaves $3.1M off Utah's cap, while making them 4 games worse and halving the years owed Lauri. or does Salaun hold value for Utah as a future piece? Also I really don't think Filipowski wants to leave the state, right?

I don't rhink Salaun adds a ton. I would take a free shot to see if we can develop him, but 2nds are fine. Filipowski is Mormon but not from Utah, so I don't know if being there matters a ton to him or not.

I might be taking it too far, but I think CLT does this if.. it’s Kessler and if the 2026 first is either very strongly protected (never dropping below top 10) or if it was the other 2026 first (worse of Orl/Mem/etc)

I don’t think CLT is good enough even with Kessler/Lauri to trade an unprotected first.

If Utah does it with those restrictions, I think CLT should do it. They need to stop tanking and adding those two to the starters would be good enough to give Ball/Miller a chance at showing if they can win games.. or I guess they should look at Ball trades and embrace it? Though having no NBA center is probably good enough to keep the tank going.

I think that having Kessler in makes Charlotte a good team, playoff bound if Ball is healthy to play 60 games. Lauri would probably thrive with the supporting cast, wouldn't have to be the number 1 option, has facilitators around him... making the 2026 picks top3 protected wouldn't be too much to ask Utah, if you consider that even if Ball misses tons of games, there's enough talent around the team to not be a bottom 3 team... My guess is that Utah might be able to get something for Miles too at the deadline from a desperate team, at least a couple of seconds and expiring Id say.

The OP is certainly an aggressive offer for Lauri, but it's one that the Hornets shouldn't make.

tcheco wrote:I think that having Kessler in makes Charlotte a good team, playoff bound if Ball is healthy to play 60 games. Lauri would probably thrive with the supporting cast, wouldn't have to be the number 1 option, has facilitators around him... making the 2026 picks top3 protected wouldn't be too much to ask Utah, if you consider that even if Ball misses tons of games, there's enough talent around the team to not be a bottom 3 team... My guess is that Utah might be able to get something for Miles too at the deadline from a desperate team, at least a couple of seconds and expiring Id say.

Lauri had Kessler and Sexton in Utah. Who is this new supporting cast? It's Ball, Miller, rookies, and two rotation players. Kessler is a solid center, but he and Miller aren't saving that defense.

The Hornets would be anything but a lock to finish outside of the bottom 3 under the new lottery odds, which is why the Hornets should not make the trade with the 26 pick being included.

The Hornets finally have a F.O. that's trying to build the right way. They should attempt no short cuts this season. Trading for, or signing an expensive veteran before establishing their core is something that they've done repeatedly and the results speak for themselves. After next summer's draft, they can evaluate where they are with Miller, Melo, and the two rookies they drafted.

babyjax13 wrote:

tcheco wrote:

Saul Goodman wrote:Charlotte fans won’t like this but I’d say for both sides adding Kessler instead of filipowski probably makes it more palatable. Walker gives that Charlotte team much needed defence.

Felt like Hornets fan would be mad at this version, Utah fans would be mad at the addition of Kessler

I would probably add Kessler to this, but I would want to keep Filipowski in that case (who is pretty redundant with Lauri, anyway). I will always bet on picks from the Pelicans, Hornets, and Kings until they prove they can be consistently good. For the same reason, none of those teams should trade their own picks.

The 26 FRP would be my hesitation. It's a really good class that goes about 6 deep.
Add something in place of the 26 pick.

Unless some weird trade happened I am unaware of Utah owns its own pick in 29 so I’m not sure why the pick offer was suggested as best of Utah/Minny/Cavs…??

Daddy 801 wrote:Unless some weird trade happened I am unaware of Utah owns its own pick in 29 so I’m not sure why the pick offer was suggested as best of Utah/Minny/Cavs…??

yeah we own the worst of those three picks

tcheco wrote:I think that having Kessler in makes Charlotte a good team, playoff bound if Ball is healthy to play 60 games. Lauri would probably thrive with the supporting cast, wouldn't have to be the number 1 option, has facilitators around him... making the 2026 picks top3 protected wouldn't be too much to ask Utah, if you consider that even if Ball misses tons of games, there's enough talent around the team to not be a bottom 3 team... My guess is that Utah might be able to get something for Miles too at the deadline from a desperate team, at least a couple of seconds and expiring Id say.

FWIW in the time that Utah had Conley and Lauri as our two best players we were an above .500 team (25-23) and until we traded Olynyk we were a .500 team. Lauri has shown that with any competent point guard he can really help a team win, so with LaMelo I think Charlotte would be a good team in the East. Not a great team, though, but if Kneuppel is really good or Miller has a nice jump they could be on the doorstep of that.

HornetJail wrote:

Daddy 801 wrote:Unless some weird trade happened I am unaware of Utah owns its own pick in 29 so I’m not sure why the pick offer was suggested as best of Utah/Minny/Cavs…??

yeah we own the worst of those three picks

I thought the Jazz owned their pick and the worst of the Cavs and Minnesota picks. I must have been wrong.