Thread for the hard to trade: Vooch, DDR?

[tcheco]

Was just wondering where so many different pieces can end up, specially the likes of Vooch whom has been mentioned as trade eligible for so long, and DDR whom no one here believes is worth anything. Tried finding unusual places to avoid the same old formats

Bulls trade:
Vucevic
Huerter

Memphis trade
KCP
Clarke
2026 lottery protected, two seconds if not conveyed this year

Memphis add depth behind Edey to be a scoring punch off the bench, has 3 point range and is a decent passer and good rebounder. Huerter is a depth piece for emergencies. Both are expiring, so Memphis also clears the 35M combined of money from Clarke and KCP second years. The cost is a non lottery pick if things go well, or two seconds if injuries pile up.

Bulls move on from Vooch expiring and see if KCP can be a 3nD player that he once was, at least he is a defensive apt guard. Clarke is cheap and can contribute. The pick is the main thing, along with the team playing on a faster pace.

DDR to Clippers

Kings trade:
DDR

Clippers Trade
Bogdan
Derrick Jones Jr.

Kings add depth, defense on the wings for DDR. Clippers added Beal, CP3, Lopez, Collins, they sacrifice a little of depth for decent scoring, considering the age of the team and games missing from Leonard and Harden, they find the points left behind by Powell

Monk being available now, which leads to the third trade, including guess who, the bulls.

Monk for Ayo and Jalen Smith
Kings gets a backup big with range in Smith and a defensive player in Ayo, once again focusing in getting defense around Lavine and Sabonis.
Bulls find a sixth man to bring scoring and handles off the bench for expiring Ayo and a rotational big.

Final Depth Charts

Clippers:
Harden/CP3
Beal/Dunn
Leonard/DDR
Collins/Batum
Zubac/Lopez

Kings:
Dennis/Ellis/Carter
Zach Lavine/Ayo/Bogdan
Derrick Jones Jr./Bogdan
Keegan/Derrick Jones Jr./Smith
Sabonis/Smith

Bulls:
Giddey/Monk
White/KCP
Matas/Okoro
Williams/Noa
Clarke/Zach Collins

Grizzles:
Ja Morant/Pippen
Ty Jerome/Coward
Wells/Vince Williams
JJJ/Aldama
Edey/Vucevic

What do you all think?
I could see Bogdan going to Memphis instead of Huerter, and that exchange might be more fair for Memphis, but you tell me how far off. Not sure if Memphis considers KCP a positive asset, I see him as neutral at most based on his poor play last year... and I really think that Vucevic for 20 minutes per game can really help the Grizzles more than KCP starting.

[babyjax13]

I don't think Vucevic is hard to trade, I think Chicago assumes he has trade value and that is the problem.

[babyjax13]

But for this deal, I think Jones is more valuable to LAC than DeRozan, and Memphis won't give a first to dump Clarke. Change that to some 2nds and it seems fine, but they also like KCP.

[esvl]

Memphis might accept the OP if they want to hunt a third star (like Brown) at the trade deadline or the next offseason. At the end of the day, KCP and Clarke are valuable but not essential.

[psman2]

It seems the value we are getting here is getting off 2 rotation level players a year early. However that would put us only around 5-8 million under the cap once you look at cap holds next offseason. On the court Vuc would have a little value to us early in the season but likely is only a 15 min guy come playoffs if we are at full health. Huerter is likely 3th at SG on our depth chart at best. Plus our 1st has swap rights that are very valuable to us and would never be used in trade like this. Bottom line is KCP/Clarke likely have more on court value this season for us and the expiring contracts next season and full MLE have more utility than what is being offered here.

Now maybe something like KCP/2nds for Vuc, with KCP being routed to LAL for Vincent/Kleber back to Chicago could have legs if Memphis wants early season frontcourt coverage.

[pipfan]

Bulls will probably just sit on Vuc this year, and buy him out after the deadline to free up minutes for Smith/Noa

I hope they'll keep their expirings and cap space to try something next summer

[ChettheJet]

what do you have to snort to see Brandon Clarke as the Bulls starting center?

They don't need KCP as an older scorer off the bench, they've got Huerter. Why do the Bulls need Monk when they just resigned Tre Jones? They can play Jalen Smith behind Collins and keep Dosunmu. This is just awful and you obviously don't pay any attention to how the Bulls have operated over the past 50 years.

You drag the Bulls into a trade to help 3 other teams and CHI ends up screwed over and worse off.

[tcheco]

what do you have to snort to see Brandon Clarke as the Bulls starting center?

They don't need KCP as an older scorer off the bench, they've got Huerter. Why do the Bulls need Monk when they just resigned Tre Jones? They can play Jalen Smith behind Collins and keep Dosunmu. This is just awful and you obviously don't pay any attention to how the Bulls have operated over the past 50 years.

You drag the Bulls into a trade to help 3 other teams and CHI ends up screwed over and worse off.

Hey, how is it going?
Haven't been able to find a pattern on how the bulls operate honestly, I'm always surprised by them.
To your points, Monk is much better than Tre Jones honestly, Tre is a great 12 minute safe pair of hands at PG, but I dont expect him to replicate his 3pt shooting from 18 games last year with the bulls. I can be wrong, wouldn't be the first nor the last time.

Dont see KCP as a scorer in any sense, Huerter and him are so different, and KCP brings so much more on defense honestly.

I easily see Clarke as a better player than Collins too honestly, even without the spacing Collins provides, his defense and finishing at the rim would work great with Giddey.

I see this as Bulls trading Vooch and Ayo(Vucevic definitely not coming back and Ayo havent been extended and will be an UFA) before expiring for fitting pieces and a chance at an extra pick.

But I appreciate the input, good to hear the feedback from a bulls fan.

[tcheco]

Memphis might accept the OP if they want to hunt a third star (like Brown) at the trade deadline or the next offseason. At the end of the day, KCP and Clarke are valuable but not essential.

Yeah, this seems like the best bet. Being able to land so many picks from the Magic while still having a chance to get a third star in the same timeline would be great. I like the Vucevic fit in here mainly because Edey could still be in fould trouble often in his sophomore year and he is so big that you expect him to miss some time with injuries, same for Ja Morant. Having a iron man that can score consistently is great, and his pairing with JJJ on paper is so damn appealling, even if it means that they can abuse him in the regular season to have healthier Edey and others during the playoffs. Clarke is out to start the season, JJJ might also be, no?

[esvl]

It seems the value we are getting here is getting off 2 rotation level players a year early. However that would put us only around 5-8 million under the cap once you look at cap holds next offseason. On the court Vuc would have a little value to us early in the season but likely is only a 15 min guy come playoffs if we are at full health. Huerter is likely 3th at SG on our depth chart at best. Plus our 1st has swap rights that are very valuable to us and would never be used in trade like this. Bottom line is KCP/Clarke likely have more on court value this season for us and the expiring contracts next season and full MLE have more utility than what is being offered here.

Now maybe something like KCP/2nds for Vuc, with KCP being routed to LAL for Vincent/Kleber back to Chicago could have legs if Memphis wants early season frontcourt coverage.

We paid 1st to dump Smart’s 20m. We would dump 30 here and get more flexibility at the deadline.

[esvl]

Memphis might accept the OP if they want to hunt a third star (like Brown) at the trade deadline or the next offseason. At the end of the day, KCP and Clarke are valuable but not essential.

Yeah, this seems like the best bet. Being able to land so many picks from the Magic while still having a chance to get a third star in the same timeline would be great. I like the Vucevic fit in here mainly because Edey could still be in fould trouble often in his sophomore year and he is so big that you expect him to miss some time with injuries, same for Ja Morant. Having a iron man that can score consistently is great, and his pairing with JJJ on paper is so damn appealling, even if it means that they can abuse him in the regular season to have healthier Edey and others during the playoffs. Clarke is out to start the season, JJJ might also be, no?

Clarke and Edey are certainly out, JJJ might be ready.

[psman2]

It seems the value we are getting here is getting off 2 rotation level players a year early. However that would put us only around 5-8 million under the cap once you look at cap holds next offseason. On the court Vuc would have a little value to us early in the season but likely is only a 15 min guy come playoffs if we are at full health. Huerter is likely 3th at SG on our depth chart at best. Plus our 1st has swap rights that are very valuable to us and would never be used in trade like this. Bottom line is KCP/Clarke likely have more on court value this season for us and the expiring contracts next season and full MLE have more utility than what is being offered here.

Now maybe something like KCP/2nds for Vuc, with KCP being routed to LAL for Vincent/Kleber back to Chicago could have legs if Memphis wants early season frontcourt coverage.

We paid 1st to dump Smart’s 20m. We would dump 30 here and get more flexibility at the deadline.

We had a plan for that 20m in place. Next offseason we are just barely under the cap if we did this trade. Much better to have the full MLE and the expiring contracts of KCP/Clarke to trade than be some 6-10 million under the cap and the room exception. Any trade this year using KCP, his 2nd year is not really going to be much of an obstacle to any trade we want do to. Losing a 1st will though, even with protections and it doesn't convey next year it will prevent us from trading future 1sts. This trade is for sure a net flexibility lost for Memphis.