Spurs and Bucks

[louc1970]

When allowed (February):

Spurs trade Fox, Johnson, 26 FRP, 28 FRP, 26 SRP (from Portland or NOP) maybe some more seconds if needed
Bucks trade Giannis and Thanasis

Spurs get a leader to play beside Wembanyama. And with Castle, Sochan and Harper still remain a young team to play for a long time (ala OKC).
Bucks get a bit younger, FRPs to rebuild as 26 may come from ATL and 28 from Boston.

[psman2]

Fox would need to be rerouted for more value than the Spurs paid for him. A lot more. Plus likely cost either Harper or Castle as well.

[Ron Swanson]

Comically insulting offer. You're short by Harper, Castle, and a couple more firsts/swaps. Take Fox out entirely. He isn't needed here.

[babyjax13]

I think other teams, including the Spurs, can and would offer more. But they are a destination that makes sense.

[BK_2020]

There's zero indication that the Bucks want to rebuild, and even if they did, they can do better than this.

[babyjax13]

There's zero indication that the Bucks want to rebuild, and even if they did, they can do better than this.

Agreed. If he is traded, it will be the most significant outlay of assets in NBA history. Think the equivalent of 10-12 first round picks in value.

[jbk1234]

That won't be the best offer for Giannis, and if it is, the Bucks will have no problem waiting for the summer.

[ConSarnit]

Any Bucks trade likely needs to return their own picks from '27-29. I think the Spurs could pull it off but it would likely need to be:

Fox, Castle + a bunch of picks that the Spurs can turn into:

Fox -> bad salary + picks

Castle (young upside guy for Bucks)

Picks -> Bucks '27-29 1sts returned

I think if the Bucks could get Castle, their own '27-29 1sts + 2 surplus 1sts that's a strong offer. The Bucks have to get their picks back. They can't just wallow in despair for the next 3 years and not have high upside picks. They aren't a free agent destination. If they could reset most of their pick deficit while adding Castle and a couple surplus 1st's that's solid work imo.

[babyjax13]

Any Bucks trade likely needs to return their own picks from '27-29. I think the Spurs could pull it off but it would likely need to be:

Fox, Castle + a bunch of picks that the Spurs can turn into:

Fox -> bad salary + picks

Castle (young upside guy for Bucks)

Picks -> Bucks '27-29 1sts returned

I think if the Bucks could get Castle, their own '27-29 1sts + 2 surplus 1sts that's a strong offer. The Bucks have to get their picks back. They can't just wallow in despair for the next 3 years and not have high upside picks. They aren't a free agent destination. If they could reset most of their pick deficit while adding Castle and a couple surplus 1st's that's solid work imo.

I don't think that is a strong offer at all. Atlanta can get them some of their picks back, including in 2026 + they have young players and other picks + a team that matches him really well. They'd blow that offer out of the water.

[Texas Chuck]

Reminder that if Giannis moves, it won't be open bidding. Maybe the Spurs are on his list, but when the reports came out that it was only New York, basketball probably isn't the only consideration.

But even if he said trade me to San Antonio, the Bucks would be able to pull more value out and would absolutely not be forced to eat the Fox contract in return. This doesn't feel close and mostly feels like wouldn't it be cool if Giannis and Wemby played together and the Spurs kept all their valuable assets and young players.

[One_and_Done]

Comically insulting offer. You're short by Harper, Castle, and a couple more firsts/swaps. Take Fox out entirely. He isn't needed here.

That is equally insulting, but the other way. In the scenario where Giannis demands a trade, you'll be lucky to get 70 cents on the dollar for him. What you've suggested is $1.50 on the dollar.

At Giannis age he isn't netting all that, especially not from a young team like the Spurs. In particular, it seems implausible that the Bucks would get Harper.

[Ron Swanson]

Comically insulting offer. You're short by Harper, Castle, and a couple more firsts/swaps. Take Fox out entirely. He isn't needed here.

That is equally insulting, but the other way. In the scenario where Giannis demands a trade, you'll be lucky to get 70 cents on the dollar for him. What you've suggested is $1.50 on the dollar.

At Giannis age he isn't netting all that, especially not from a young team like the Spurs. In particular, it seems implausible that the Bucks would get Harper.

Oh, we're really doing this again are we? Any trade where the other team receiving Giannis isn't even giving up their best young prospect is a joke offer and can be immediately dismissed as such.

This doesn't feel close and mostly feels like wouldn't it be cool if Giannis and Wemby played together and the Spurs kept all their valuable assets and young players.[

This.

[giannis and 1]

Bucks decline

[BK_2020]

At Giannis age he isn't netting all that, especially not from a young team like the Spurs. In particular, it seems implausible that the Bucks would get Harper.

Well, Giannis is going into his age 31 season and an MVP-candidate-level player. Let's look at some comparable transactions.
Harden to Brooklyn. Going into his age 31 season. Rockets received 4 FRP and 4 swaps.
KD to Phoenix. Going into his age 34 season. The Nets received Cam Johnson, Bridges, and 4 FRP and a swap.
AD to Dallas. In the middle of his age 31 season. The Lakers received Luka Doncic.
I think Harper is more than within range.

[Scoot McGroot]

Comically insulting offer. You're short by Harper, Castle, and a couple more firsts/swaps. Take Fox out entirely. He isn't needed here.

That is equally insulting, but the other way. In the scenario where Giannis demands a trade, you'll be lucky to get 70 cents on the dollar for him. What you've suggested is $1.50 on the dollar.

At Giannis age he isn't netting all that, especially not from a young team like the Spurs. In particular, it seems implausible that the Bucks would get Harper.

Disagree on the Giannis valuation stuff, but even 70 cents on the GIANNIS DOLLAR is a lot more than the OP offered. Like, it’s Giannis.

[louc1970]

Comically insulting offer. You're short by Harper, Castle, and a couple more firsts/swaps. Take Fox out entirely. He isn't needed here.

That is equally insulting, but the other way. In the scenario where Giannis demands a trade, you'll be lucky to get 70 cents on the dollar for him. What you've suggested is $1.50 on the dollar.

At Giannis age he isn't netting all that, especially not from a young team like the Spurs. In particular, it seems implausible that the Bucks would get Harper.

That is why I down grade what the return is.

Giannis - as great as he is - turns 31 in December. The Spurs are not going to give away the youth for a short run with Wemby.

[louc1970]

At Giannis age he isn't netting all that, especially not from a young team like the Spurs. In particular, it seems implausible that the Bucks would get Harper.

Well, Giannis is going into his age 31 season and an MVP-candidate-level player. Let's look at some comparable transactions.
Harden to Brooklyn. Going into his age 31 season. Rockets received 4 FRP and 4 swaps.
KD to Phoenix. Going into his age 34 season. The Nets received Cam Johnson, Bridges, and 4 FRP and a swap.
AD to Dallas. In the middle of his age 31 season. The Lakers received Luka Doncic.
I think Harper is more than within range.

All of that is very true, but none of the trades made the team receiving the better play any better.
Brooklyn fell apart, Phoenix completely sank, Dallas got an injured player.

I do not think any team would be on record saying they would do it again if able.

[Godaddycurse]

Comically insulting offer. You're short by Harper, Castle, and a couple more firsts/swaps. Take Fox out entirely. He isn't needed here.

That is equally insulting, but the other way. In the scenario where Giannis demands a trade, you'll be lucky to get 70 cents on the dollar for him. What you've suggested is $1.50 on the dollar.

At Giannis age he isn't netting all that, especially not from a young team like the Spurs. In particular, it seems implausible that the Bucks would get Harper.

That is why I down grade what the return is.

Giannis - as great as he is - turns 31 in December. The Spurs are not going to give away the youth for a short run with Wemby.

then spurs wont get giannis. they will be out bid handily by other teams

[One_and_Done]

At Giannis age he isn't netting all that, especially not from a young team like the Spurs. In particular, it seems implausible that the Bucks would get Harper.

Well, Giannis is going into his age 31 season and an MVP-candidate-level player. Let's look at some comparable transactions.
Harden to Brooklyn. Going into his age 31 season. Rockets received 4 FRP and 4 swaps.
KD to Phoenix. Going into his age 34 season. The Nets received Cam Johnson, Bridges, and 4 FRP and a swap.
AD to Dallas. In the middle of his age 31 season. The Lakers received Luka Doncic.
I think Harper is more than within range.

The only one of those trades which moved a prospect as good as Harper was the Luka trade, agreed by all to be terrible. In fact all those trades were regarded as bad in hindsight.

[One_and_Done]

That is equally insulting, but the other way. In the scenario where Giannis demands a trade, you'll be lucky to get 70 cents on the dollar for him. What you've suggested is $1.50 on the dollar.

At Giannis age he isn't netting all that, especially not from a young team like the Spurs. In particular, it seems implausible that the Bucks would get Harper.

That is why I down grade what the return is.

Giannis - as great as he is - turns 31 in December. The Spurs are not going to give away the youth for a short run with Wemby.

then spurs wont get giannis. they will be out bid handily by other teams

I don't think anyone was disagreeing that the OPs offer was light, but the counteroffer was equally insulting. You can basically rule out the Spurs including Harper.