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Rui Hachimura
[*]27 years old
[*]6-8 230, 7-2 wing span
[*]Athletic
[*]Great 3-pt shooter. 42.2% in 23-24 on 1.9/4.6 per 36, and 41.3% in 24-25 pm 2.0/4.8 per 36.
[*]One of the best catch-and-shoot player in NBA
[*]One of the best mid-range shooters in the NBA
[*]Three-level scorer

Lakers just have too many power forward sized players right now, and need defense and athleticism in the backcourt. I'm not asking for anything in particular. Just trying to see what his value is according to people on RealGM.

The 3-point shooting percentages are nice, but the volume is so low that it doesn't have much impact. He is also a pretty lousy rebounder and playmaker.

He is a serviceable starter - the kind of guy you can live with, but you are always hoping to upgrade. And whatever value he has as an on-the-court player is undermined by the fact that he will be an unrestricted free agent this summer. I don't see anyone paying much to acquire him. Maybe you could swap him for a competent natural SF who is paid roughly as much, but I don't seeing LA doing much better than that.

Maybe Hachimura for a Dillon Brooks tier player?

nate33 wrote:The 3-point shooting percentages are nice, but the volume is so low that it doesn't have much impact. He is also a pretty lousy rebounder and playmaker.

He is a serviceable starter - the kind of guy you can live with, but you are always hoping to upgrade. And whatever value he has as an on-the-court player is undermined by the fact that he will be an unrestricted free agent this summer. I don't see anyone paying much to acquire him. Maybe you could swap him for a competent natural SF who is paid roughly as much, but I don't seeing LA doing much better than that.

Maybe Hachimura for a Dillon Brooks tier player?

5 attempts per game is not low volume

Solid rotation guy. Might be attractive to a team looking to move a similar tier guard on a longer contract. Barrett for Rui + Gabe? Both LAL & TOR would have to send a minimum contract guy to another team to make it work as neither can take back more salary than they send out..

nate33 wrote:The 3-point shooting percentages are nice, but the volume is so low that it doesn't have much impact. He is also a pretty lousy rebounder and playmaker.

He is a serviceable starter - the kind of guy you can live with, but you are always hoping to upgrade. And whatever value he has as an on-the-court player is undermined by the fact that he will be an unrestricted free agent this summer. I don't see anyone paying much to acquire him. Maybe you could swap him for a competent natural SF who is paid roughly as much, but I don't seeing LA doing much better than that.

Maybe Hachimura for a Dillon Brooks tier player?

I thought about Brooks, but the thing I don't like about him is about 30% of his field goal attempts are mid-range, compared to about 19% for Rui. I would rather have a player there who is mostly just a catch-and -shooter from 3.

Godaddycurse wrote:

nate33 wrote:The 3-point shooting percentages are nice, but the volume is so low that it doesn't have much impact. He is also a pretty lousy rebounder and playmaker.

He is a serviceable starter - the kind of guy you can live with, but you are always hoping to upgrade. And whatever value he has as an on-the-court player is undermined by the fact that he will be an unrestricted free agent this summer. I don't see anyone paying much to acquire him. Maybe you could swap him for a competent natural SF who is paid roughly as much, but I don't seeing LA doing much better than that.

Maybe Hachimura for a Dillon Brooks tier player?

5 attempts per game is not low volume

He's never averaged more than 4.2 and his career is 2.9. In his best season, he tied for 113th in attempts. So yeah, definitely not high volume in starters minutes.

Godaddycurse wrote:

nate33 wrote:The 3-point shooting percentages are nice, but the volume is so low that it doesn't have much impact. He is also a pretty lousy rebounder and playmaker.

He is a serviceable starter - the kind of guy you can live with, but you are always hoping to upgrade. And whatever value he has as an on-the-court player is undermined by the fact that he will be an unrestricted free agent this summer. I don't see anyone paying much to acquire him. Maybe you could swap him for a competent natural SF who is paid roughly as much, but I don't seeing LA doing much better than that.

Maybe Hachimura for a Dillon Brooks tier player?

5 attempts per game is not low volume

4.8 per 36. The 4.2 per game this season is an outlier for his career.

SkyHook wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:

nate33 wrote:The 3-point shooting percentages are nice, but the volume is so low that it doesn't have much impact. He is also a pretty lousy rebounder and playmaker.

He is a serviceable starter - the kind of guy you can live with, but you are always hoping to upgrade. And whatever value he has as an on-the-court player is undermined by the fact that he will be an unrestricted free agent this summer. I don't see anyone paying much to acquire him. Maybe you could swap him for a competent natural SF who is paid roughly as much, but I don't seeing LA doing much better than that.

Maybe Hachimura for a Dillon Brooks tier player?

5 attempts per game is not low volume

4.8 per 36. The 4.2 per game this season is an outlier for his career.

its not really an outlier imo since its the 2nd season in a row he's shot this well.

Billl wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:

nate33 wrote:The 3-point shooting percentages are nice, but the volume is so low that it doesn't have much impact. He is also a pretty lousy rebounder and playmaker.

He is a serviceable starter - the kind of guy you can live with, but you are always hoping to upgrade. And whatever value he has as an on-the-court player is undermined by the fact that he will be an unrestricted free agent this summer. I don't see anyone paying much to acquire him. Maybe you could swap him for a competent natural SF who is paid roughly as much, but I don't seeing LA doing much better than that.

Maybe Hachimura for a Dillon Brooks tier player?

5 attempts per game is not low volume

He's never averaged more than 4.2 and his career is 2.9. In his best season, he tied for 113th in attempts. So yeah, definitely not high volume in starters minutes.

agree its not high volume, but its not low enough that it doesnt matter either.

Godaddycurse wrote:

SkyHook wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:
5 attempts per game is not low volume

4.8 per 36. The 4.2 per game this season is an outlier for his career.

its not really an outlier imo since its the 2nd season in a row he's shot this well.

Maybe we're talking past each other. If you're talking per 36, then it's not an outlier. Compared to his career mean attempts per game, last season was at 145% versus his next best season (the previous one) at 117%. That's an outlier to me. Perhaps I'm wrong.

SkyHook wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:

SkyHook wrote:4.8 per 36. The 4.2 per game this season is an outlier for his career.

its not really an outlier imo since its the 2nd season in a row he's shot this well.

Maybe we're talking past each other. If you're talking per 36, then it's not an outlier. Compared to his career mean attempts per game, last season was at 145% versus his next best season (the previous one) at 117%. That's an outlier to me. Perhaps I'm wrong.

i dont put as much weight in his 1st couple years because the 3 ball is a new skill he developed/he wasnt known for shooting these in college. In terms of attempts per 36 in last 4 years:

4.7
3.9
4.6
4.8

Serviceable starter or good third forward on a decent contract. You'd definitely get interest but idk that teams would trade a lot of value for him. Most likely options are:

(1) a swap for a similar caliber player at a different position
(2) filler in a bigger deal where LAL adds value to get a true impact player
(3) take on future money to get value (either in the form of a better player or picks/prospects)

Cant see him getting traded by himself, Lakers kinda of need him, no? Vando cant hit the three like him. At the same time, no one is trading for him giving up much value(only expiring players) knowing he will be a UFA.

If traded he probably would be combined with Knecht and a pick most likely? and Kleber together.

With a quick look I Couldnt find an acceptable trade that makes sense with what you are asking.
I could see with the Jazz a SlowMo + Niang for Rui straight up.
Or with Charlotte a Rui + Knecht + Gabe for Miles Bridges and Pat Connagton. Hornetts fans might ask for a pick here since Miles has 2 years left and can play, not sure of his value considering the legal issues he had.

I think he is a nice player, but not good enough that it ends up upgrading the Lakers rotation. They should just keep him. I do like the Dillon Brooks suggestion as it makes some sense, but then LAL's frontcourt rotation would, IMO, be one of the worst in the league.

On a contender, he's a 6th man, PF position defensively is usually where you hide your star players and that's the only position he can defend, but he's good at all other aspects.
I'm not sure he's worth much since he's MLE level player, so not much need for bird rights.

Godaddycurse wrote:

SkyHook wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:
its not really an outlier imo since its the 2nd season in a row he's shot this well.

Maybe we're talking past each other. If you're talking per 36, then it's not an outlier. Compared to his career mean attempts per game, last season was at 145% versus his next best season (the previous one) at 117%. That's an outlier to me. Perhaps I'm wrong.

i dont put as much weight in his 1st couple years because the 3 ball is a new skill he developed/he wasnt known for shooting these in college. In terms of attempts per 36 in last 4 years:

4.7
3.9
4.6
4.8

He's made 1.9 and 2.0 three-point field goal attempts per 36 minutes the past two seasons, respectively. Imo, 2 three-pointers made per 36 is a simple minimum criteria to go by to determine if a player is a good enough three-point shooter to have a positive affect on spacing the floor for their team. Rui is not only able to provide spacing, but is also able to do it at a high percentage. Last season, he was 23rd in the NBA in 3-pt FG%. He would be fine to stay with the Lakers if they didn't have so many power forward sized players.

Maybe Hunter around the deadline if Tyson or Strus lool like they can handle the starting SF position.

nate33 wrote:The 3-point shooting percentages are nice, but the volume is so low that it doesn't have much impact. He is also a pretty lousy rebounder and playmaker.

He is a serviceable starter - the kind of guy you can live with, but you are always hoping to upgrade. And whatever value he has as an on-the-court player is undermined by the fact that he will be an unrestricted free agent this summer. I don't see anyone paying much to acquire him. Maybe you could swap him for a competent natural SF who is paid roughly as much, but I don't seeing LA doing much better than that.

Maybe Hachimura for a Dillon Brooks tier player?

I can't see many teams who have a better player like Brooks moving him for Rui, who you accurately describe as 'a guy you can live with'.

One_and_Done wrote:

nate33 wrote:The 3-point shooting percentages are nice, but the volume is so low that it doesn't have much impact. He is also a pretty lousy rebounder and playmaker.

He is a serviceable starter - the kind of guy you can live with, but you are always hoping to upgrade. And whatever value he has as an on-the-court player is undermined by the fact that he will be an unrestricted free agent this summer. I don't see anyone paying much to acquire him. Maybe you could swap him for a competent natural SF who is paid roughly as much, but I don't seeing LA doing much better than that.

Maybe Hachimura for a Dillon Brooks tier player?

I can't see many teams who have a better player like Brooks moving him for Rui, who you accurately describe as 'a guy you can live with'.

Apron implications could be a potential factor though, if it happens to be a team that still wants to compete this season, while lowering salary in the offseason. That's one scenario where a team might be willing to do this. Another scenario might be a team that is light on power forwards and heavy in another position. Another scenario is a team that views Rui as just an expiring, and try to offload salary and/or acquire additional assets.

jbk1234 wrote:Maybe Hunter around the deadline if Tyson or Strus lool like they can handle the starting SF position.

Difficult to do now. Cavs cant aggregate or take back more money in trade. But, could possibly be done later, though unlikely. That's another way Cavs could help their apron issues. Hunter has been a higher-volume 3-pt shooter past couple years, and good percentages. His defense is a bit on the middling side, with a career DBPM of -1.3 and a STEAL% of 1.4. I'm not sure if he is a good enough upgrade over Rui to warrant the increased payroll for next season.