Fair Giannis to SA Deal?

[pipfan]

I think, mid season, this could be the deal that's fair to both sides, and makes Giannis happy

Harper (assuming he looks promising but not untradably good), C Bryant, Sochan, KellyO, KJohnson, plus the ATL 2027 pick, and one or two more.

Milw builds around Harper/Sochan/Bryant. They trade Turner/BobbyP too and start over. I know they have this pick debt, but not sure how they can get their picks back.

I think SA could easily be a real contender for the next 5 years.
Fox/Castle
Vassell/Castle
Barnes/Champagnie
Giannis/?
Wemby/LukeK
They'd need another big-sign a vet FA

[One_and_Done]

Bucks fans won't like it, because if Giannis does get moved it's because he's asking out and has a list. In that scenario his price drops. He will still fetch a haul, but you can forget about Harper. Even at full value, you just don't move that level of blue chip prospect for a soon to be 31 year old, and doubly so when you're a young team.

The Spurs offer would likely be something built around Castle and 3-4 first round picks. That's not insulting, because the Spurs have some pretty good picks to offer.

[SkyHook]

Bucks fans won't like it, because if Giannis does get moved it's because he's asking out and has a list. In that scenario his price drops. He will still fetch a haul, but you can forget about Harper. Even at full value, you just don't move that level of blue chip prospect for a soon to be 31 year old, and doubly so when you're a young team.

The Spurs offer would likely be something built around Castle and 3-4 first round picks. That's not insulting, because the Spurs have some pretty good picks to offer.

I'm not sure that the Spurs make his list in the first place, but Castle is simply not good enough to be the best player returning in a deal for Giannis. Looking over San Antonio's roster, Harper + expirings + picks might be the only thing that moves the needle for the Bucks.

[pipfan]

Bucks fans won't like it, because if Giannis does get moved it's because he's asking out and has a list. In that scenario his price drops. He will still fetch a haul, but you can forget about Harper. Even at full value, you just don't move that level of blue chip prospect for a soon to be 31 year old, and doubly so when you're a young team.

The Spurs offer would likely be something built around Castle and 3-4 first round picks. That's not insulting, because the Spurs have some pretty good picks to offer.

I'm not sure that the Spurs make his list in the first place, but Castle is simply not good enough to be the best player returning in a deal for Giannis. Looking over San Antonio's roster, Harper + expirings + picks might be the only thing that moves the needle for the Bucks.

This is how I figure it-Harper could be a franchise player, and they get Sochan and Bryant too. That's a solid start.

As for SA-this makes them an AWESOME team. Fox/Giannis/Wemby is the best big 3 in the league

[One_and_Done]

Bucks fans won't like it, because if Giannis does get moved it's because he's asking out and has a list. In that scenario his price drops. He will still fetch a haul, but you can forget about Harper. Even at full value, you just don't move that level of blue chip prospect for a soon to be 31 year old, and doubly so when you're a young team.

The Spurs offer would likely be something built around Castle and 3-4 first round picks. That's not insulting, because the Spurs have some pretty good picks to offer.

I'm not sure that the Spurs make his list in the first place, but Castle is simply not good enough to be the best player returning in a deal for Giannis. Looking over San Antonio's roster, Harper + expirings + picks might be the only thing that moves the needle for the Bucks.

How many trades saw a team move a young franchise type player prospect for a 31 yr old star? How many of those trades weren't awful?

There is no universe in which the Spurs include Harper. The guy would have gone #1 in alot of drafts, and they are a young team. It would be an insane decision.

[Texas Chuck]

you don't pass on Giannis to hold on to Harper. Now maybe the Spurs could make a deal without him, but it would be foolish to say no to Giannis to hold to Harper. MVP's are really hard to get.

[JRoy]

He’s an MVP candidate in his prime. Ultimately, He will go where he wants to go.

[redslastlaugh]

I seriously doubt Giannis would want a trade to the Spurs. I don't think he wants to move to the western conference and in particular I don't think he'd want to play on the Spurs with how the org has trended since Pop's setback

I think, mid season, this could be the deal that's fair to both sides, and makes Giannis happy

[One_and_Done]

you don't pass on Giannis to hold on to Harper. Now maybe the Spurs could make a deal without him, but it would be foolish to say no to Giannis to hold to Harper. MVP's are really hard to get.

Clearly reality disagrees, because the Spurs could have gone all in for Giannis this past offseason and the reporting was that they showed little interest in doing so.

Beyond what the Spurs think, I struggle to see any trade in NBA history where a young prospect like Harper was moved for a 30+ year old star (other than trades that were awful). It's just not smart business to do this, and certainly not when you're a young team that isn't ready yet.

I'm not even saying Harper is untradeable, but the sort of piece you want to move him for is someone like a 25 year old Jaylen Brown, not a 31 year old Giannis.

[Texas Chuck]

31 year old Giannis is much more valuable than 25 year old Jaylen Brown.

What matters is level of play far more than age.

Especially now when we see so many players playing at a high level deep into their 30's,

But as a fan of a team in your conference I hope the Spurs are like no thanks if an MVP in his prime wants to come. Unfortunately I don't believe they have a fan's attachment to young players.

[One_and_Done]

31 year old Giannis is much more valuable than 25 year old Jaylen Brown.

What matters is level of play far more than age.

Especially now when we see so many players playing at a high level deep into their 30's,

But as a fan of a team in your conference I hope the Spurs are like no thanks if an MVP in his prime wants to come. Unfortunately I don't believe they have a fan's attachment to young players.

I don’t recall saying I was a Spurs fan.

As for 31 year old Giannis being more valuable than 25 Jaylen Brown, that might be true if you’re on the verge of winning a title, but for a young team the calculus is very different. I also think you’re underselling how good Jaylen Brown was at 25. Obviously he wasn’t as good as Giannis, but he was the best player for the Celtics on 2 finals runs. He’s a very good player, who people now underrate because of his contract.

These things can also change quickly when a star is 31. Some guys hit a wall suddenly, PG13 should be a timely reminder of that. If I was a Bucks fan, I’d be opposed to any trade of Giannis, so I can understand their outrage, but realistically if he’s being moved it’s going to be at 50-70 cents on the dollar, because the leverage impacts his value. We’ve seen that too many times to count.

As you are a Mavs fan, I would expect you to be more sensitive to the folly of trading a young star for an aging star in his 30s. It’s not smart business. What is the historical parallel for the proposed trade for Giannis? I don’t see it (other than horrible trades).

[BK_2020]

If you would rather have Jaylen Brown than Giannis then you deserve Jaylen Brown.

[SlimShady83]

Can someone (mods?) start a Giannis sweeptakes trade thread? ... Might as well get something going

I'm happy to do so if need

[One_and_Done]

If you would rather have Jaylen Brown than Giannis then you deserve Jaylen Brown.

The 6 year younger version? Sure. For a young team that isn't ready that makes more sense.

[SlimShady83]

31 year old Giannis is much more valuable than 25 year old Jaylen Brown.

What matters is level of play far more than age.

Especially now when we see so many players playing at a high level deep into their 30's,

But as a fan of a team in your conference I hope the Spurs are like no thanks if an MVP in his prime wants to come. Unfortunately I don't believe they have a fan's attachment to young players.

Spurs could easily attach like 5 FRP's couldn't they? last time I checked they have a like a billion of them and still have plenty left over

[TimDunkin]

Is it fiscally possible to keep Giannis, Fox, and Wemby on his inevitable max extension together?

[One_and_Done]

31 year old Giannis is much more valuable than 25 year old Jaylen Brown.

What matters is level of play far more than age.

Especially now when we see so many players playing at a high level deep into their 30's,

But as a fan of a team in your conference I hope the Spurs are like no thanks if an MVP in his prime wants to come. Unfortunately I don't believe they have a fan's attachment to young players.

Spurs could easily attach like 5 FRP's couldn't they? last time I checked they have a like a billion of them and still have plenty left over

That sort of trade is much more likely. The Spurs move Castle, 3-5 picks, and filler salary (with the number of picks being contingent on exactly how good/bad the filler is).

I find it ironic that a Mavs fan wants the Spurs to throw Harper into the deal, when I can't imagine they'd want to include Flagg. Teams shouldn't do those kinds of deals, they are a bad idea as the KD & Luka trades show.

[SkyHook]

If you would rather have Jaylen Brown than Giannis then you deserve Jaylen Brown.

There are degrees of value for top players. I'm one of the biggest Jaylen Brown fans around whose team isn't the Celtics. I've coveted him for the Jazz for years and would still give up a significant amount to acquire him. Considering all factors, Giannis's value is FAR in excess of Jaylen's, so much so that comparing the two is a laughable discussion even for Bostonians.

There are no precedents for trading a (still young) 30-year-old 2x MVP, 1x DPOY who is has been in the top-10 in MVP AND DPOY voting every single one of the past seven seasons and top-10 in MVP alone the prior two. The worst ROY in 4+ decades + filler + picks isn't even a conversation starter here. Garnett, Allen, and George all got better returns at 30+ years of age and Giannis is FAR better than all three were at the time.

[One_and_Done]

If you would rather have Jaylen Brown than Giannis then you deserve Jaylen Brown.

There are degrees of value for top players. I'm one of the biggest Jaylen Brown fans around whose team isn't the Celtics. I've coveted him for the Jazz for years and would still give up a significant amount to acquire him. Considering all factors, Giannis's value is FAR in excess of Jaylen's, so much so that comparing the two is a laughable discussion even for Bostonians.

There are no precedents for trading a (still young) 30-year-old 2x MVP, 1x DPOY who is has been in the top-10 in MVP AND DPOY voting every single one of the past seven seasons and top-10 in MVP alone the prior two. The worst ROY in 4+ decades + filler + picks isn't even a conversation starter here. Garnett, Allen, and George all got better returns at 30+ years of age and Giannis is FAR better than all three were at the time.

Did they? Harper alone is worth more than everything the Wolves got for KG, and the Nets trade for KG was a disaster. So was the George trade. Noticing a pattern? The Ray Allen trade netted the Sonics the #5 pick, in a year where that pick was not getting you a prospect remotely as good as Harper.

[the_process]

LeBron in 2003.

That's the type of prospect you don't deal no matter what.

Harper is very definitely not that level.