Fox to Minnesota

[babyjax13]

At the deadline.

SAS trades: De'Aaron Fox
MIN trades: Jaden McDaniels, Donte DiVencenzo, Joan Beringer
San Antonio opens up all the point guard minutes for Harper and Castle and rebalances their minutes distribution with players at several positions. They also do right by Fox, sending him to a good team. Minnesota gets a long-term solution at starting point guard. They lose depth and the upside of McDaniels/Beringer, but get a bubble all-star at point guard. Fox/Edwards/Shannon/Randle/Gobert should be a fairly formidable starting five for the rest of the season.

[Scoot McGroot]

Would imagine this means both that Dillingham has “backslid”, and that Minnesota wouldn’t want to lock him into a bench spot long term? He’d probably have to be in there instead of Bearinger, at the least.

[jayjaysee]

I’d rather have McDaniels when you factor contracts/fit with Ant. 15% of the cap versus 30% and two years younger.. I think SAS would have to add value, before factoring in the value DDV/Joan should hold?

Randle and anything Sac wants for Fox? Dillingham, Beringer? If Fox is worth more than I think, you could make something around Naz/Donte/Dillingham/value.

But maybe I’m really off on Fox’s value on that contract..

[wemby]

Spurs aren't unilaterally moving a player who just demanded to be traded there, the only way they'd consider this is if Harper surpasses him by next year and he wishes to run his own team elsewhere.

[babyjax13]

Would imagine this means both that Dillingham has “backslid”, and that Minnesota wouldn’t want to lock him into a bench spot long term? He’d probably have to be in there instead of Bearinger, at the least.

He hasn't looked like anything in the NBA or in preseason, and he is tiny (Dillingham). Sounds like I am wrong on the right peripheral value, though, so it makes sense to include him. I think by midseason Minnesota should have a good read on whether Dilly is worth some minutes in the future?

[Mamba4Goat]

This feels like a lot more than San Antonio gave up to get Fox.

[Godaddycurse]

Agree with jayjay that i would prefer mcdaniels over fox for minny and probably many other teams

[Scoot McGroot]

This feels like a lot more than San Antonio gave up to get Fox.

I’d say a value increase of some amount makes sense, as he’s now locked up, and isn’t one year away from expiring.

But I agree, I don’t think it’s this much of an increase?

[Wolveswin]

Nope. I prefer McDaniels over Fox.

I would entertain a Randle for Fox swap however.

[LarsV8]

Personally would rather have McDaniels.

Fox is an above average player, on a terrible contract.

Don't think I would take Fox for free, to be honest, and we are a team that could use an above average PG.

[SkyHook]

Add me to the list of people who value McDaniels higher than Fox. Much higher.

[One_and_Done]

Spurs aren't unilaterally moving a player who just demanded to be traded there, the only way they'd consider this is if Harper surpasses him by next year and he wishes to run his own team elsewhere.

While I generally agree, the value here is certainly fair. If things don't go smoothly with Fox this is a reasonable move down the road.

[mcfly1204]

This feels like a lot more than San Antonio gave up to get Fox.

I’d say a value increase of some amount makes sense, as he’s now locked up, and isn’t one year away from expiring.

But I agree, I don’t think it’s this much of an increase?

Sure, there's more control, but he's also very overpaid. Hard to see that deal as a positive.

[wemby]

There's this herd thinking where some ideas on the board gain momentum and are repeated as indisputable truths. McDaniels is good role player, but a role player nonetheless, a 3&D whose 3 is actually below 35% for his career and barely above 33% the last, making 15% of the cap. He's, at best, your 4th best player on a good team.

Say what you want about Fox, but he's your 2nd best player on a good team (he was the best player on a playoff team not long ago), he played all of last season through injury on his shooting hand (one that required surgery) but played at an all star level or close for like 4/5 years before that. No, I don't think this is close and, more importantly, I don't see why it would matter when the Spurs just gave him a max extension signaling he's not going anywhere any time soon.

[One_and_Done]

There's this herd thinking where some ideas on the board gain momentum and are repeated as indisputable truths. McDaniels is good role player, but a role player nonetheless, a 3&D whose 3 is actually below 35% for his career and barely above 33% the last, making 15% of the cap. He's, at best, your 4th best player on a good team.

Say what you want about Fox, but he's your 2nd best player on a good team (he was the best player on a playoff team not long ago), he played all of last season through injury on his shooting hand (one that required surgery) but played at an all star level or close for like 4/5 years before that. No, I don't think this is close and, more importantly, I don't see why it would matter when the Spurs just gave him a max extension signaling he's not going anywhere any time soon.

I don't see them doing the move right now for optics reasons. You can't just move an all-star who forced his way to your team. However, things change if Castle and Harper also look like stars 1-2 years later.

Realistically, it's going to be impossible to start all 3 of these guys unless 2 of them become very good 3pt shooters. While I can see all 3 potentially being pretty good, that's likely a stretch. The solution has always been one comes off the bench for 1-2 years, and one is a 6th man long term. If it turns out both Castle & Harper look like stars, that's not going to be viable beyond 1-2 years. At that point, you probably need to move Fox (which is fine, you should be able to get something decent for him).

[jayjaysee]

There's this herd thinking where some ideas on the board gain momentum and are repeated as indisputable truths. McDaniels is good role player, but a role player nonetheless, a 3&D whose 3 is actually below 35% for his career and barely above 33% the last, making 15% of the cap. He's, at best, your 4th best player on a good team.

Say what you want about Fox, but he's your 2nd best player on a good team (he was the best player on a playoff team not long ago), he played all of last season through injury on his shooting hand (one that required surgery) but played at an all star level or close for like 4/5 years before that. No, I don't think this is close and, more importantly, I don't see why it would matter when the Spurs just gave him a max extension signaling he's not going anywhere any time soon.

Fox was also the best/second best team on teams that missed the playoffs every other year of his career and SAS gave him 30% for 4 years, not even getting a small discount in the raises..

McDaniels is an elite defender who actually offers some offense.. And he’s signed cheap for 4 more years.

All I said ITT was I’d rather have McDaniels on a team with Ant than Fox. I think Fox is a better player but I’d rather have the elite two way “roleplayer” making close to half as much.

And I think most teams with star guards would prefer that elite wing player versus another primary ball handler on a 4yr 30% max..

But if everyone disagrees with you, it might not be group think..

[wemby]

Fox was also the best/second best team on teams that missed the playoffs every other year of his career and SAS gave him 30% for 4 years, not even getting a small discount in the raises..

McDaniels is an elite defender who actually offers some offense.. And he’s signed cheap for 4 more years.

All I said ITT was I’d rather have McDaniels on a team with Ant than Fox. I think Fox is a better player but I’d rather have the elite two way “roleplayer” making close to half as much.

And I think most teams with star guards would prefer that elite wing player versus another primary ball handler on a 4yr 30% max..

But if everyone disagrees with you, it might not be group think..

Fox notoriously never had any help, he was clearly the best player, never second best on those teams, and that's worlds apart where McDaniels stands. Also, McDaniels isn't an elite two way role player, he's an elite defender who's a barely passable offensive player. And people have this viewpoint HERE... the discrepancy between this board and most everywhere else is precisely what leads me into saying that. It's quite remarkable actually, especially with Spurs related stuff.

[Celts17Pride]

Fox isn’t going anywhere with that contract extension. LOL at people thinking that contract will be easy to move

[mcfly1204]

Fox was also the best/second best team on teams that missed the playoffs every other year of his career and SAS gave him 30% for 4 years, not even getting a small discount in the raises..

McDaniels is an elite defender who actually offers some offense.. And he’s signed cheap for 4 more years.

All I said ITT was I’d rather have McDaniels on a team with Ant than Fox. I think Fox is a better player but I’d rather have the elite two way “roleplayer” making close to half as much.

And I think most teams with star guards would prefer that elite wing player versus another primary ball handler on a 4yr 30% max..

But if everyone disagrees with you, it might not be group think..

Fox notoriously never had any help, he was clearly the best player, never second best on those teams, and that's worlds apart where McDaniels stands. Also, McDaniels isn't an elite two way role player, he's an elite defender who's a barely passable offensive player. And people have this viewpoint HERE... the discrepancy between this board and most everywhere else is precisely what leads me into saying that. It's quite remarkable actually, especially with Spurs related stuff.

As of today, Fox making nearly $60 million in 2028-29 is an absolute joke, being paid twice what he is worth.

[One_and_Done]

Fox isn’t going anywhere with that contract extension. LOL at people thinking that contract will be easy to move

Alot of guys make this kind of money now, so you just move him in a deal involving such players, e.g. Lauri. I don't think that trade is likely, I'm just illustrating a point.