To hell with it, Pascal to Spurs, Dallas helps

[tcheco]

Pacers are dealing with some injuries early on, playing well and losing anyway. Indy never tanks, but what if the offer is good enough?

Spurs trade:
Vassel
Barnes
2026 pick with swap with Hawks
2028 first
2030 first(dal or minny swap rights)

Spurs get:
Pascal Siakam
Naji

Pacers trade:
Pascal Siakam
Huff

Pacers get:
Gafford
Barnes
Olynyk(buyout)
2026 pick with swap with Hawks
2028 first
2030 first(dal or minny swap rights)

Dallas trade:
Naji Marshall
Gafford
Powell

Dallas get:
Vassel
Huff

Why for Spurs: Spurs look amazing and they are 3-0 without Fox suiting up. Castle looks improved, Harper looks like he belongs, Wemby is a god. They add a two way monster at 2 whom is reliable, can score, can defend, is a veteran and fits right in with Wemby. His contract is big but will expire the same offseason Castle would have to get paid. They make a push to make this window with Wemby and Castle being cheap be as fruitfull as possible. Naji is another bother off the bench that can contribute 20 minutes a game.

Why for Pacers: They add a cost controlled center and 3 firsts to make more moves. Hawks are one injury away from giving away a top5 pick away. They also clear a lot of money to extend Mathurin.

Why for Dallas: Trade Gafford and Naji to upgrade the SG position, Russel can handle the PG untill Irving comes back, this move makes the starting lineup more balanced with the extra spacing.

Spurs:
Fox/Castle
Castle/Harper
Naji/Champagnie/Carter Bryant/K.Johnson
Pascal/Sochan/Naji/K.Johnson
Wemby/Kornet

Dallas:
Irving/Russel
Vassel/Klay/Max
Flagg/PJ
AD/PJ
Lively/AD/Huff

Indy tanks playing their young guys

[babyjax13]

The inclusion of Dallas feels like it complicates the trade unnecessarily. I think this is what Indiana should do, but probably won't. I like Siakam as a target for the Spurs, though it may be one first too much?

[Wizop]

Pacer injuries are making a gap year more likely, but they won't last forever. We might collapse this year, but we want P next year when Tyrese returns. A Mathurin trade is much more likely than a Siakam trade.

[jbk1234]

If I'm the Pacers I want Lively. The picks and Vassell can go to Dallas, but I want to be competitive sooner rather than later once Haliburton and McConnell get back.

[Wizop]

Sochan for Mathurin makes some sense. Both want big bumps but Mathurin won't start in Indy ahead of Nembhard or Nesmith but Sochan might.

[tcheco]

The inclusion of Dallas feels like it complicates the trade unnecessarily. I think this is what Indiana should do, but probably won't. I like Siakam as a target for the Spurs, though it may be one first too much?

Tried to find a team with a surplus of a center that could use Vassel, since Spurs need to move him, and with Nembhard and Hali Pacers have no use for him.

I do think it can be a first too much, but this is by design, to convince Pacers it's a good deal considering their reluctancy in tanking.

If I'm the Pacers I want Lively. The picks and Vassell can go to Dallas, but I want to be competitive sooner rather than later once Haliburton and McConnell get back.

You can keep Gafford, draft in the top4 and package 3 picks for an upgrade at PF for next season. Or you meant Nembhard and TJ? Then you can redirect those picks this year still, but I'm not sure what would Pacers look to upgrade. Nembhard/Mathurin/Nesmith/upgrade/Gafford? Lauri is probably not available if Jazz are happy with the base of the roster. You could think of moving 3 picks for Deni? Not sure Portland is willing to do that too

[tcheco]

Sochan for Mathurin makes some sense. Both want big bumps but Mathurin won't start in Indy ahead of Nembhard or Nesmith but Sochan might.

If you mean in this trade as a whole it makes sense, since Spurs would be thin at the 2 and Pacers thin at the 4.

[Wizop]

Pacers have waived Wiseman opening a roster spot. They need a point guard but could elevate one of their two-ways. Trading for one is a possibility though

[Helsbyte]

Maybe I am reading this wrong but in what world is Pascal Siakim worth only a 28 1st and picks swaps that probably won't convey? Gafford does not have anywhere this close of value to shrink the gap. Indy says no.

[Wizop]

Local reporter says we waived Wiseman and signed McClung.

[daoneandonly]

WHy is Dallas in this. DV is massively overpaid and they are giving up two quality rotational guys

[tcheco]

WHy is Dallas in this. DV is massively overpaid and they are giving up two quality rotational guys

What I thought when proposing this is that Dallas needs an upgrade at SG. Vassel is expensive(a little overpaid) but is also much better than Klay, and better than Naji too. He helps spacing which might be more of a necessity than having the depth of Gafford.

I can see this working changing naji for any other filler to be honest, so his inclusion is not set in stone, if you want to add anyone else other than Klay I think it's still fair.

[tcheco]

Maybe I am reading this wrong but in what world is Pascal Siakim worth only a 28 1st and picks swaps that probably won't convey? Gafford does not have anywhere this close of value to shrink the gap. Indy says no.

It's 3 picks. I just added how the picks can convey differently. 2026 spurs firsts with the swap possibility with Hawks and 2030 spurs pick with possibility to swap with Wolves or Mavs

[ReggiesKnicks]

Maybe I am reading this wrong but in what world is Pascal Siakim worth only a 28 1st and picks swaps that probably won't convey? Gafford does not have anywhere this close of value to shrink the gap. Indy says no.

They are all real 1sts.

2026 first round draft pick from Atlanta (swap, San Antonio outgoing to Atlanta or Cleveland)
2028 first round draft pick from Boston (San Antonio swap rights)
2030 first round draft pick from Dallas or Minnesota (San Antonio outgoing to Dallas or Minnesota)

In fact, in all cases, these 1sts are worth more than an actual 1st since they all swap up.

2026 1st can be upgraded. 2028 1st can be upgraded. 2030 1st can be upgraded.

[tcheco]

Maybe I am reading this wrong but in what world is Pascal Siakim worth only a 28 1st and picks swaps that probably won't convey? Gafford does not have anywhere this close of value to shrink the gap. Indy says no.

They are all real 1sts.

2026 first round draft pick from Atlanta (swap, San Antonio outgoing to Atlanta or Cleveland)
2028 first round draft pick from Boston (San Antonio swap rights)
2030 first round draft pick from Dallas or Minnesota (San Antonio outgoing to Dallas or Minnesota)

In fact, in all cases, these 1sts are worth more than an actual 1st since they all swap up.

2026 1st can be upgraded. 2028 1st can be upgraded. 2030 1st can be upgraded.

This

Siakam proved last season he is a realiable, two way, selfless number 2 in a championship team, Pacers have all the reason to want to keep him to go again next year with a healthy Haliburton, which is why a good offer with upside is needed to make them consider the trade. Spurs have the assets, the right timeline and the roster to accomodate this move imho.

[ReggiesKnicks]

Maybe I am reading this wrong but in what world is Pascal Siakim worth only a 28 1st and picks swaps that probably won't convey? Gafford does not have anywhere this close of value to shrink the gap. Indy says no.

They are all real 1sts.

2026 first round draft pick from Atlanta (swap, San Antonio outgoing to Atlanta or Cleveland)
2028 first round draft pick from Boston (San Antonio swap rights)
2030 first round draft pick from Dallas or Minnesota (San Antonio outgoing to Dallas or Minnesota)

In fact, in all cases, these 1sts are worth more than an actual 1st since they all swap up.

2026 1st can be upgraded. 2028 1st can be upgraded. 2030 1st can be upgraded.

This

Siakam proved last season he is a realiable, two way, selfless number 2 in a championship team, Pacers have all the reason to want to keep him to go again next year with a healthy Haliburton, which is why a good offer with upside is needed to make them consider the trade. Spurs have the assets, the right timeline and the roster to accomodate this move imho.

I don't think the Spurs should pull the trigger on this yet, but I do think they could look to upgrade the roster.

[tcheco]

They are all real 1sts.

2026 first round draft pick from Atlanta (swap, San Antonio outgoing to Atlanta or Cleveland)
2028 first round draft pick from Boston (San Antonio swap rights)
2030 first round draft pick from Dallas or Minnesota (San Antonio outgoing to Dallas or Minnesota)

In fact, in all cases, these 1sts are worth more than an actual 1st since they all swap up.

2026 1st can be upgraded. 2028 1st can be upgraded. 2030 1st can be upgraded.

This

Siakam proved last season he is a realiable, two way, selfless number 2 in a championship team, Pacers have all the reason to want to keep him to go again next year with a healthy Haliburton, which is why a good offer with upside is needed to make them consider the trade. Spurs have the assets, the right timeline and the roster to accomodate this move imho.

I don't think the Spurs should pull the trigger on this yet, but I do think they could look to upgrade the roster.

Hard to find the right moment. This hawks pick could result in a top5 pick depending on health for Atlanta. How will Fox return from injury? Wemby only have 2 years of rookie salary, the window for making the most of it is short. Its cool to play pretend though, and Siakam is the most available he will be(in our pretend world).
Giannis would be great, but trading Castle or Harper brings more risk than trading these 3 picks. Siakam is also less of a injury risk than Giannis too.

Maybe Lauri fits better because of age, but he is not the defender that Siakam is, but has better range. Jazz are not so inclined to trade him anymore maybe, team is looking good and fitting together

[daoneandonly]

WHy is Dallas in this. DV is massively overpaid and they are giving up two quality rotational guys

What I thought when proposing this is that Dallas needs an upgrade at SG. Vassel is expensive(a little overpaid) but is also much better than Klay, and better than Naji too. He helps spacing which might be more of a necessity than having the depth of Gafford.

I can see this working changing naji for any other filler to be honest, so his inclusion is not set in stone, if you want to add anyone else other than Klay I think it's still fair.

Given DV's money (I think he's more than a little overpaid, perhaps that's where we dont see eye to eye), I think it should eb Caleb Martin instead of Naji

[tcheco]

WHy is Dallas in this. DV is massively overpaid and they are giving up two quality rotational guys

What I thought when proposing this is that Dallas needs an upgrade at SG. Vassel is expensive(a little overpaid) but is also much better than Klay, and better than Naji too. He helps spacing which might be more of a necessity than having the depth of Gafford.

I can see this working changing naji for any other filler to be honest, so his inclusion is not set in stone, if you want to add anyone else other than Klay I think it's still fair.

Given DV's money (I think he's more than a little overpaid, perhaps that's where we dont see eye to eye), I think it should eb Caleb Martin instead of Naji

I can be hard on Vassel sometimes, but he has been improving on defense and his shot creation improved.

Exchanging Naji for Caleb shouldn't be a deal breaker at all.

[jayjaysee]

I think Pascal is a good compliment to Wemby. And if Wemby keeps this level of play up, SAS is going to look to upgrade at the four to try and win a title this year. Or at least they really should.

For Dallas - the OP adds two million dollars it looks like? I think in order for Dallas to do it, I’d want Hardy swapped out for Powell to make it legal - and then SAS can decide to take Naji (but add a couple seconds or Indy adds them) or make it Martin as suggested ITT?

Maybe Huff is considered those seconds though?

Dallas can shuffle the 2 ways and then sign a rest of season contract later on so not worried about getting so close to the second apron.