Chi-Port-Memph

[pipfan]

Memphis decides to blow it up and start over around future cap space, young kids and a bunch of picks
Port adds a potential star and goes for it
Chi gets a huge upgrade

Chi sends Collins/Noa/DTerry/JCarter (cut) plus 2026/2028 Bulls' 1sts (unprotected) to Griz and Port's pick back to them
Bulls get JJJ

Port sends Grant and Henderson plus their 2027 1st (unprotected) to Griz (maybe the 2028 Orl first too, back to Griz?)
Port gets Ja

Mem sends Ja to Port and JJJ to Chi
Mem gets Grant, Henderson, Noa, Collins, DTerry, JCarter (cut?) plus Bulls' 2026/2028 1sts and the Port 2027 1st (and maybe the Orl 2028 1st bac)

Port goes with
Ja/Holiday
Sharpe/Holiday
Deni/Thybulle
Camara/Murray
Clingan/Han
They still would have RWill, Reath, Wesley for depth and Dame coming back next year. They also have some future picks still

Chi goes for it
White/Jones
Giddey/Ayo
Matas/Huerter
JJJ/PWill
Vuc/JSmith
Okoro as 11th man-that team could be very good

Memphis starts all over, with a young core of
Henderson/Jerome
Coward/Jackson
Wells/Williams
Aldama/Noa
Eady/Clarke
and vets around like KCP, Grant to help the kids, plus a few other young guys like Pip Jr, Jackson and Spencer
They'd have a TON of 2027 cap space waiting for them (plus Grant's big expiring) and the following extra picks (plus all their own 1sts)
2026-Bulls plus either the worse of the Suns/Wash lots of shots at the top 5
2027-Port
2028-Bulls and Magic
2029-swap with Magic
2030-Magic and a complicated swap with Suns and Wash

That's A TON of extra picks and a lot of young guys to play with-plus the 2027 cap space. A lot better than the path their on now

[DeBlazerRiddem]

No interest in Ja

[pipfan]

No interest in Ja

I understand, but I think Port could be a good landing spot for him. They seem to have a great team culture, and Holiday is an awesome vet leader. Dame can be a mentor to him.

It'd be a gamble, but my deal isn't a huge risk. Ja is a BIG upgrade to Henderson, and Grant is a negative deal. But, I wouldn't want him on my Bulls either, so it makes sense Port might not want to roll the dice

[Myth]

No interest in Ja

I understand, but I think Port could be a good landing spot for him. They seem to have a great team culture, and Holiday is an awesome vet leader. Dame can be a mentor to him.

It'd be a gamble, but my deal isn't a huge risk. Ja is a BIG upgrade to Henderson, and Grant is a negative deal. But, I wouldn't want him on my Bulls either, so it makes sense Port might not want to roll the dice

Grant is playing the best ball of his career btw. Looking like a 6MOY candidate.

[Pattycakes]

Really weird deal. Portland of all places due to its… history is probably already a horrendous fit

[JRoy]

Zero interest in Ja.

[tcheco]

Portland improved after having Jrue, defense first, good facilitator in their starting lineup. Adding Ja next to an already underwhelming Sharpe will be a recipe for disaster on defense and on winning.
Ja can still be saved probably, but not on such a young team. They already have Lillard on for next year and after too... just all over the place, even if the value seems like a good deal... even Grant has been serviceable, although still really expensive... he is having a much better year than Ja

[JRoy]

No interest in Ja

I understand, but I think Port could be a good landing spot for him. They seem to have a great team culture, and Holiday is an awesome vet leader. Dame can be a mentor to him.

It'd be a gamble, but my deal isn't a huge risk. Ja is a BIG upgrade to Henderson, and Grant is a negative deal. But, I wouldn't want him on my Bulls either, so it makes sense Port might not want to roll the dice

POR has avoided guys like him for 20 years.

This isn’t Ja when he was 20 with a ton of potential.

Hard pass.

[BK_2020]

3 firsts for Ja AND JJJ isn't what Memphis is looking for if they blow it up.

[pipfan]

3 firsts for Ja AND JJJ isn't what Memphis is looking for if they blow it up.

I mentioned the possible Orl pick back too (2028, unprotected)
Plus expiring deals and Noa (easily worth a 1st)

Ja's value is way down

[BK_2020]

3 firsts for Ja AND JJJ isn't what Memphis is looking for if they blow it up.

I mentioned the possible Orl pick back too (2028, unprotected)
Plus expiring deals and Noa (easily worth a 1st)

Ja's value is way down

What does "possible Orl pick" even mean in this context? Is that a part of your proposed trade or not? Or is Memphis expecting to be surprised?

[QMemphis]

Why would the Grizz attach Jaren in a Ja trade and lessen the value of the return. These deals are lazy and not well thought out from all team’s perspective.

[pipfan]

Why would the Grizz attach Jaren in a Ja trade and lessen the value of the return. These deals are lazy and not well thought out from all team’s perspective.

As the OP, obviously I disagree

I think JJJ has much higher value, but he's not elite value at the moment
I'm giving Ja positive value here, but not as much as he had

I think the Bulls benefit-giving up Noa, the Port pick and 2 unprotected picks is a lot, but I think worth it

Port takes a big chance but Ja is super-talented so it might be worth it

As for Memphis, do you think they should keep it together? My plan gives them a fresh start with A TON of assets to build with.

[louc1970]

Would a team like Memphis be an attractive option to the better free agents moving forward?
I just don't see it.
Smaller market teams need to build through the draft (Wemby not included). Make every move possible for future draft picks and buy bad contracts to get them.

[schaffy]

Ja to Portland wouldn't seem to work. They'd then have Ja, Holiday, Sharpe, and Dame back next year. Thats a very expensive guard rotation with vets where someone is going to feel they are getting their minutes squeezed. And we can already see Ja doesnt love his minutes getting squeezed.

It also feels like a pretty thin return for Memphis for JJJ. An absolute project of a F prospect who is going to probably spend a ton of time in the G League, and then 2 unprotected 1sts from a team in the East but they currently look like they'll be in the playoffs this year so thats at best a mid to late pick. So 1 potential upside pick -- depending on how you view Chicago in the east going forward -- for JJJ along with a likely non-lotto pick and a raw prospect? I can't imagine thats the best deal they can make IF they decide to tear it down (and I'd still be in favor of keeping him at that point).

[meekrab]

Yeah I don't see why Portland are doing this, Ja isn't a basketball fit for their team and there's no reason to assume Dame and Jrue will just talk him out of his fascination with firearms.

[Village Idiot]

I can see the Blazers being interested in JJJ but definitely not Morant

[BlazersBroncos]

Ya PDX isnt going to be in the Ja market. We have stayed away from low character guys since the jailblazer years. Its not changing. They have gone out of their way to target high character guys who play hard through thick and thin. They wont nuke that archetype for Ja.

JJJ would be another conversation. Albeit even w/ JJJ I likely wouldnt pay what MEM would be asking for.

[QMemphis]

Why would the Grizz attach Jaren in a Ja trade and lessen the value of the return. These deals are lazy and not well thought out from all team’s perspective.

As the OP, obviously I disagree

I think JJJ has much higher value, but he's not elite value at the moment
I'm giving Ja positive value here, but not as much as he had

I think the Bulls benefit-giving up Noa, the Port pick and 2 unprotected picks is a lot, but I think worth it

Port takes a big chance but Ja is super-talented so it might be worth it

As for Memphis, do you think they should keep it together? My plan gives them a fresh start with A TON of assets to build with.

Why is Chicago giving Portland a pick so that Portland can then give to Memphis. That makes no sense for Memphis. Jaren is the most valuable player in the deal and the best asset is Noa and some likely middling picks.

Bulls 26 and 28 pick will likely be in the teens due to their young core then adding Jaren makes those picks even less valuable.

Portland gets off Grant still bad contract (though he is still a solid player) for the privilege of figuring out if Scoot is a lead guard which Portland themselves aren’t sure of then have to decide to pay him next year or not. Then the pick value of getting their 27 pick with a team of Ja/Jrue/Dame/TC/Deni/Sharpe/DC is likely in the late teens or early 20’s. Then you added insult by saying we might give you the Orlando pick back lol.

So yeah your offer was bad. I won’t even get into Grizz then having to cut bait on our rostered guys to get these dudes to fit in our 15.

[WindyCityBorn]

Bulls are not sending unprotected picks for JJJ. Overpaid ad extremely injury prone.