Jokic to Portland
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Jokic to Portland
The writing's on the wall folks, time to get ahead of things. This could go down today or at the deadline, whatever.
Denver trades: Nikola Jokic
Portland trades: Donovan Clingan, Scoot Henderson, Robert Williams, Shaedon Sharpe, 2028 MIL 1st, 2028 ORL 1st, 2029 best of MIL/BOS/POR 1sts, 2030 MIL 1st, and some other picks and swaps where needed.
Why for Denver: Get a few solid young guys in Clingan and Scoot, plus a pile of 1sts, mostly MIL 1sts which rate to be decent over the next few years.
Why for Portland: Make a big move to jump into contention. Lillard/Morant/Avdija/Camara/Jokic lineup, with whatever bench they can cobble together.
Denver trades: Nikola Jokic
Portland trades: Donovan Clingan, Scoot Henderson, Robert Williams, Shaedon Sharpe, 2028 MIL 1st, 2028 ORL 1st, 2029 best of MIL/BOS/POR 1sts, 2030 MIL 1st, and some other picks and swaps where needed.
Why for Denver: Get a few solid young guys in Clingan and Scoot, plus a pile of 1sts, mostly MIL 1sts which rate to be decent over the next few years.
Why for Portland: Make a big move to jump into contention. Lillard/Morant/Avdija/Camara/Jokic lineup, with whatever bench they can cobble together.
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Going to take more than that to get Jokic. Scoot is very underwhelming, Sharpe is decent but how much more of a ceiling is there for him? Clingan is a solid piece and the picks in theory look good on paper but this needs more IMHO
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Houston would offer
Sengun, Sheppard, Capela, 2027 BRK #1, 2027 Phx #1, 2029 Phx #1, 2029 Dal #1, and some swaps.
FVV/Amen/Durant/Jabari/Jokic
Sengun, Sheppard, Capela, 2027 BRK #1, 2027 Phx #1, 2029 Phx #1, 2029 Dal #1, and some swaps.
FVV/Amen/Durant/Jabari/Jokic

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Narrator: "The writing was not on the walls"
Jokic has 5/360M waiting for him next summer, he's chillin
Jokic has 5/360M waiting for him next summer, he's chillin
investigate Adam Silver
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Mr Swagtastic wrote:Going to take more than that to get Jokic. Scoot is very underwhelming, Sharpe is decent but how much more of a ceiling is there for him? Clingan is a solid piece and the picks in theory look good on paper but this needs more IMHO
It only needs more if someone else offers more. If Jokic wants out and makes it clear that he's going to decline his player option and go elsewhere? Denver will have to take the best offer they get.
A year ago a lot of people would have laughed out loud at Giannis going for Tyler Herro, Kelel Ware, Jaime Jaquez, Kaspar Jakucionas and some picks. But it happened.
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LarsV8 wrote:Houston would offer
Sengun, Sheppard, Capela, 2027 BRK #1, 2027 Phx #1, 2029 Phx #1, 2029 Dal #1, and some swaps.
FVV/Amen/Durant/Jabari/Jokic
Now that is a competitive offer... some nice picks in there!
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This isn't my reaction to the Watson S&T but ymmv
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Texas Chuck wrote:This isn't my reaction to the Watson S&T but ymmv
My reaction wasn’t “it is time” but I did immediately wonder if Nuggets will return to building around Jokic anytime soon. It feels like they have mostly just lost talent while having arguably the best player in the world.
As for the trade, as a Blazers fan I obviously love it. Willing to give even more.
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Frankly even if I was accepting the premise of this thread that "the writing is on the wall" (which for the record I'm not), I'd still view this as an extremely underwhelming package from a team unlikely to be in the mix for Jokic.
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Teams will beat this easily. Portland has a good team leftover but it ain't enough. Ja is a wildcard you don't know what your getting, Jrue and Dame are older and probably done in a few years. Camera and Deni are solid young pieces but I don't see them as a contender.jowglenn wrote:Mr Swagtastic wrote:Going to take more than that to get Jokic. Scoot is very underwhelming, Sharpe is decent but how much more of a ceiling is there for him? Clingan is a solid piece and the picks in theory look good on paper but this needs more IMHO
It only needs more if someone else offers more. If Jokic wants out and makes it clear that he's going to decline his player option and go elsewhere? Denver will have to take the best offer they get.
A year ago a lot of people would have laughed out loud at Giannis going for Tyler Herro, Kelel Ware, Jaime Jaquez, Kaspar Jakucionas and some picks. But it happened.
OKC could just go balls to the wall and offer picks, Williams or Chet plus to get it done.
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Sixers have already offered Embiid, LeBron and Edgecombe for Jokic and the worst salary that Denver can think of
I've got plenty of java and Chesterfield Kings
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Jokic isnt getting traded before his extension. Guy is not turning down 350 million. He can get traded after if he wants out
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If Jokic leaves Denver then he is more than likely trying to get to the Lakers or some other big market team, its not going to be an open market where he's sold off to highest bidder because it never is. He isn't going to be traded to a small market either, not Portland or OKC. Every package for Jokic will be underwhelming because you don't trade players of his caliber without their consent especially if its based on trying to convince them to sign an extension. LA, GS, Boston, NY, Miami, the usual suspects.
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JayMKE wrote:If Jokic leaves Denver then he is more than likely trying to get to the Lakers or some other big market team, its not going to be an open market where he's sold off to highest bidder because it never is. He isn't going to be traded to a small market either, not Portland or OKC. Every package for Jokic will be underwhelming because you don't trade players of his caliber without their consent especially if its based on trying to convince them to sign an extension. LA, GS, Boston, NY, Miami, the usual suspects.
I don't think Jokic would be angling for a big market team. Jokic doesn't seem to care about fame. I think his goal would be to get traded to a team that would still be in position to win a title even after giving up a motherlode of assets to Denver.
Most big market teams don't fit this criteria. A team like OKC, Houston, Utah or Washington might make more sense.
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mademan wrote:Jokic isnt getting traded before his extension. Guy is not turning down 350 million. He can get traded after if he wants out
Why wouldn't his new team offer the same maximum extension? It's not like they're going to trade a zillion assets for Jokic and then haggle over price during contract negotiations.
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nate33 wrote:mademan wrote:Jokic isnt getting traded before his extension. Guy is not turning down 350 million. He can get traded after if he wants out
Why wouldn't his new team offer the same maximum extension? It's not like they're going to trade a zillion assets for Jokic and then haggle over price during contract negotiations.
Now that funneling extra money through sponsors is legal, does it even matter
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nate33 wrote:JayMKE wrote:If Jokic leaves Denver then he is more than likely trying to get to the Lakers or some other big market team, its not going to be an open market where he's sold off to highest bidder because it never is. He isn't going to be traded to a small market either, not Portland or OKC. Every package for Jokic will be underwhelming because you don't trade players of his caliber without their consent especially if its based on trying to convince them to sign an extension. LA, GS, Boston, NY, Miami, the usual suspects.
I don't think Jokic would be angling for a big market team. Jokic doesn't seem to care about fame. I think his goal would be to get traded to a team that would still be in position to win a title even after giving up a motherlode of assets to Denver.
Most big market teams don't fit this criteria. A team like OKC, Houston, Utah or Washington might make more sense.
I’m not she’s buy it, I don’t think anybody in history has demanded a trade to these places. It’s not so much gonna be about it being a bigger market or as it is playing with Luka or Steph or maybe even Giannis. I don’t think he’s interested in leading a bunch of kids. For Denver’s sake I’m sure they would like to hope Jokic would accept being shipped off to Siberia metaphorically if they had the best trade package but we know how that works. It’s not just about what Jokic wants but also also family, friends, entourage, business partners.
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Is Barnes, Graves, Poeltl and picks enough for Jokic, Nanji and Braun or whatever bad salary Denver wants to shed? I know it can be beat but I think it's in the better offers. Toronto has a Serbian community and Darko to help Jokic. Jokic, Kawhi, RJ, Quick and CMB is still a very competitive team. Bench is decent as well especially if they get DD to ring chase
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Houston has the best potential asset package. Sengun is similar to Jokic too which might interest the Nuggets if they don't want to tank. Then I guess Smith or Sheppard would be the second guy in there. Maybe FVV as well if they're absorbing Braun.
Jokic, Braun and Strawther for Sengun, Smith, FVV and picks.
Sengen / Bagley
Smith / Gordon
Johnson / DeRozan
Murray / DeRozan
FVV / Jones
Murray and Sengun are surrounded by shooters. FVV should bring defense that hides Murray. Good balance and they have a lot of picks for an eventual star trade.
Jokic, Braun and Strawther for Sengun, Smith, FVV and picks.
Sengen / Bagley
Smith / Gordon
Johnson / DeRozan
Murray / DeRozan
FVV / Jones
Murray and Sengun are surrounded by shooters. FVV should bring defense that hides Murray. Good balance and they have a lot of picks for an eventual star trade.
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Jokic is old school and does not appear to be motivated only by money. He wants to complete. He wants to leave a legacy.
If for some reason he decides to leave Denver, he will likely decline his player option and take a lower max from the next team as a free agent. That way, he can choose his own team and join a mostly complete squad. If Jokic is really on the move, cap space is the only asset that will hold value.
Its highly unlikely Denver will ever voluntarily trade Jokic and it's even more unlikely that Jokic would join (or extend) with a decimated team.
If for some reason he decides to leave Denver, he will likely decline his player option and take a lower max from the next team as a free agent. That way, he can choose his own team and join a mostly complete squad. If Jokic is really on the move, cap space is the only asset that will hold value.
Its highly unlikely Denver will ever voluntarily trade Jokic and it's even more unlikely that Jokic would join (or extend) with a decimated team.
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