Miami Finally Gets Artest

[PetrieUnderstudy]

Heat fans might not like the trade but this is what it'll take to get Artest to team up with DWade & Shaq.

Miami Heat trade:

Udonis Haslem
Ricky Davis
Jason Williams

Sacramento Kings trade:

Ron Artest
Kenny Thomas
Quincy Douby
Shareef Abdur-Rahim

The Heat give up more overall talent but this is the type of deal Petrie will finally accept if Riley really wants Artest. The Kings move guys in Thomas, Douby & Abdur-Rahim that in my opinion don't/shouldn't factor into their future and get expirings in Davis & Williams to continue the rebuild movement.

Please don't blast me for suggesting this. My point is that the Artest to Miami has been suggested so many times here that this is what it will take for it to actually go down.

Lineups

Heat
Chris Quinn/Quincy Douby/Smush Parker
Dwayne Wade/Daequan Cook
Ron Artest/Dorell Wright/Luke Jackson
Kenny Thomas/Mark Blount/Alexander Johnson/Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Shaquille O'Neal/Earl Barron/Alonzo Mourning

Kings
Mike Bibby/Beno Udrih/Jason Williams
Kevin Martin/Ricky Davis
John Salmons/Francisco Garcia/Dahntay Jones
Udonis Haslem/Mikki Moore/Justin Williams
Brad Miller/Spencer Hawes

[BBallFreak]

He just went in for surgery, and SAR is out for the season. Why would Miami even consider this right now? If we're dealing for Artest, it's going to be in an attempt to win now, but he can't help us win now because he has to recover from surgery. That makes this trade really really stupid for the Heat...

[Flash is the Future]

We'd be taking back too much crappy salary. So much, in fact, that we would have problems re-signing Artest, and we wouldn't have any kind of starting PG or PF. If you want to cut salary, then this is my offer:

http://realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=4379740

[loserX]

^Agreed. Totally not worth it for Miami. Trading 3 of their current starters (and sadly, that includes J-Will) for 2 injured guys and Kenny Thomas is not going to save their season.

[KyleCleric]

He just went in for surgery, and SAR is out for the season. Why would Miami even consider this right now? If we're dealing for Artest, it's going to be in an attempt to win now, but he can't help us win now because he has to recover from surgery. That makes this trade really really stupid for the Heat...

Perhaps ... but it does set up Miami to be better for next season with a high draft pick and a couple of decent players added to the team. Also, Cook and Wright would both get more time between now and the end of the season.

[Flash is the Future]

We could just as easily make no changes and wind up with an even higher draft pick...

[BBallFreak]

Perhaps ... but it does set up Miami to be better for next season with a high draft pick and a couple of decent players added to the team.

You're assuming that Artest resigns. He's not exactly the most stable of personalities.

Also, Cook and Wright would both get more time between now and the end of the season.

They're getting time now.

[PetrieUnderstudy]

The Heat could still sign a PG like Earl Boykins for the remainder of the season and as confused as I am about what has happened to his game Kenny Thomas will grab as many rebounds as Haslem when given the minutes.

Here's my compromise:

Heat trade Jason Williams/Udonis Haslem/Alonzo Mourning

Kings trade Ron Artest/Kenny Thomas/Shareef Abdur-Rahim

Mourning and Abdur-Rahim's careers are over due to injury. Kings tell Alonzo he can stay in Miami. Heat maybe buy out Shareef.

Eventhough Ricky Davis is an expiring he plays the same position that as Martin/Salmons/Garcia and I'd like to have Haslem on a reasonable contract.

Lineups

Heat
Dwayne Wade/Chris Quinn/Smush Parker
Ricky Davis/Daequan Cook
Ron Artest/Dorell Wright/Luke Jackson
Kenny Thomas/Mark Blount/Alexander Johnson/Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Shaquille O'Neal/Earl Barron

Kings
Mike Bibby/Beno Udrih/Jason Williams
Kevin Martin/Francisco Garcia/Quincy Douby
John Salmons/Dahntay Jones
Udonis Haslem/Mikki Moore/Justin Williams
Brad Miller/Spencer Hawes/Alonzo Mourning

[Flash is the Future]

I'd still pass. We wouldn't be contenders IMO without Haslem (It's clear that Shaq can no longer do it). So, it just messes up our salary cap for a while.

[PetrieUnderstudy]

So again it appears to be a stalemate and therefore Artest WILL NOT end up in a Miami Heat uniform. I hope Heat fans and RealGM trade proposers alike realize the Kings will only trade Artest if it makes sense. The Heat need to concentrate their efforts on Pietrus and the Warriors.

[Flash is the Future]

Nah. I don't think we need another wing. We need to concentrate our efforts on rebuilding IMO.

[loserX]

So again it appears to be a stalemate and therefore Artest WILL NOT end up in a Miami Heat uniform. I hope Heat fans and RealGM trade proposers alike realize the Kings will only trade Artest if it makes sense.

And the Heat will only trade for him under the same circumstance. At this point in time, Miami would be trading:

Haslem: 13.0 PPG, 9.4 RPG, 1.5 APG
Williams: 8.7 PPG, 2.3 RPG, 5.4 APG
Davis: 15.2 PPG, 4.2 RPG, 2.6 APG

Total: 36.9/15.9/9.5

for

KT: 1.5 PPG, 2.7 RPG, 0.6 APG
Artest: injured
SAR: injured
Douby: 4.0 PPG, 1.4 RPG, 0.7 APG

Total: 5.5/4.1/0.7

Increasing KT's minutes isn't going to make THAT big a difference.

Does that look like a good idea? If I were Miami's owner and my GM suggested this, I'd fire him.

Nobody will trade anything for Artest until he comes back...and even then, saying "this is what Petrie would demand" is pretty pointless if it's a bad idea for the other team.

[JES12]

As a neutral 3rd party, I really don't see what is so hard about a Sac/Miami trade.

Here it goes:

Artest + Bibby + Thomas

4

Haslem + Davis + Williams + Wright

Since the Kings have butterflies for Beno, Bibby is expendable. Bibby turns into William's expiring. Artest trasposes to Davis' expiring. The incentive to do this is getting Haslem, getting Wright and getting rid of Thomas.

[BBallFreak]

A couple of issues JES12.

1) Sacramento is said not to be that enamored with Haslem. His value, therefore, does nothing for them.

2) Both Artest and Bibby are injured. Their is no reason for Miami to give up expiring contracts and a young small forward with potential for players who aren't healthy.

3) Unless Artest agrees to resign before the trade, why would Miami give up value for a rental?

[JES12]

A couple of issues JES12.

1) Sacramento is said not to be that enamored with Haslem. His value, therefore, does nothing for them.

2) Both Artest and Bibby are injured. Their is no reason for Miami to give up expiring contracts and a young small forward with potential for players who aren't healthy.

3) Unless Artest agrees to resign before the trade, why would Miami give up value for a rental?

1) That can be rearranged some....
2) Bibby is supposed to be back soon. How long is Artest supposed to be out? His surgery did not seem like a season ending one.
3) Artest is being traded for ricky. Both are expiring headcases with talent. Why should Sac give up artest for that rental? It goes both way's buddy.

[Flash is the Future]

As a neutral 3rd party, I really don't see what is so hard about a Sac/Miami trade.

Here it goes:

Artest + Bibby + Thomas

4

Haslem + Davis + Williams + Wright

Since the Kings have butterflies for Beno, Bibby is expendable. Bibby turns into William's expiring. Artest trasposes to Davis' expiring. The incentive to do this is getting Haslem, getting Wright and getting rid of Thomas.

That's what I've always thought, but Sacramento fans don't like that deal at ALL.

[JES12]

Oh, BTW, I have said all season that the best deal Sac is going to get for Artest is Ricky Davis + a 1st, but if you stay 2nd to last, a 1st may be too high.

[BBallFreak]

1) That can be rearranged some....

I agree. It would take a third team that does value Haslem.

2) Bibby is supposed to be back soon. How long is Artest supposed to be out? His surgery did not seem like a season ending one.

Again though, why would we give up value to land players who haven't demonstrated that they're healthy? We're not touching this until they're back on the court. If they're unable to get on the court soon enough, what difference is it going to make? We're going to be so far behind that we can't come back.

3) Artest is being traded for ricky. Both are expiring headcases with talent. Why should Sac give up artest for that rental? It goes both way's buddy.

That makes no sense. Really. Their's no illusion of them wanting to keep Davis. If we trade for Artest, it's because we'd want him to stay. They're making a move to dump Mike Bibby and Kenny Thomas...

[KF10]

Again, ANY trades involving to trade either Bibby or Bibby to either to the Heat or Cavs they need THAT 3rd team to complete the trade...Which is hard to do...

[rpa]

As a neutral 3rd party, I really don't see what is so hard about a Sac/Miami trade.

Here it goes:

Artest + Bibby + Thomas

4

Haslem + Davis + Williams + Wright

Since the Kings have butterflies for Beno, Bibby is expendable. Bibby turns into William's expiring. Artest trasposes to Davis' expiring. The incentive to do this is getting Haslem, getting Wright and getting rid of Thomas.

Problem is that package comes down to Expiring Contracts + Haslem for Bibby/Thomas/Artest. Wright may be in there but he has no value to the Kings past his expiring. Salmons & Garcia are going to take up most (if not all) of the SF minutes for the next few years and Wright hasn't proven that he can be any kind of a consistent contributor in this league (at least not enough to get the "prospect" tag in a trade). So the only reason the Kings would covet him is his expiring.

Further, as already stated, the Kings just don't have interest in Haslem. They're a rebuilding team; why exactly would they be interested in a 27 year old, average starting PF (he'd be a great backup but as a starter he's pretty average) with 2 more years on his team? Even if a 3rd team is involved the question becomes what is Haslem's value? I personally think Bibby has more trade value than Haslem and it's pretty much been concluded that Bibby's value (IMO and agreed upon by others) is expiring contracts + a mid-late 1st rounder. So what's Haslem's value? Expirings and a late 1st? Expirings and a 2nd?

Even with a 3rd team I just can't see the Kings moving Bibby AND Artest and only get back a dump of Kenny Thomas & a late 1st rounder (if that, for Haslem). With that said my conclusion should be obvious: I just don't think the Heat have enough to get Bibby AND Artest. They may have enough to get one of them but there are salary issues (i.e. what they'd send back) with either 1.