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UTA/NYK/SAC -- Jazz capitalize on Artest trade

Posted: Thu Jan 3, 2008 9:25 pm
by HotSpurs21
Utah
out: Jarron Collins, Jason Hart, cash, 2nd rounder
in: Mikki Moore


upgrade at backup C or even start Moore and bring Okur off the bench to have more balance.

Rotation:
Okur/Moore
Boozer/Millsap
AK/Harpring
Brewer/Korver
DWill/Miles/Price


New York
out: Malik Rose, Fred Jones, David Lee, Nate Robinson
in: Ron Artest, Kenny Thomas


Get their coveted man. Artest loves New York and has great relationship with Isiah Thomas, so he should re-sign there.

Rotation:
Curry/Morris
Randolph/Thomas
Artest/Balkman
Crawford/QRich
Starbury/Collins


Sacramento
out: Ron Artest, Kenny Thomas, Mikki Moore
in: Malik Rose, Fred Jones, David Lee, Nate Robinson, Jason Hart (cut), Jarron Collins (cut), cash from UTA, UTA 2nd


They dump Thomas in the deal, and get their coveted young players Lee and Robinson. Also, with Lee coming in to take over at PF, veteran Mikke Moore will be expendable, so they can dump him for short deals of Collins and Hart to save more $$.

Rotation:
Miller/Hawes
Lee/Williams/Rose
Garcia/Jones
K$$/Salmons
Udrih/Robinson/Douby

Posted: Thu Jan 3, 2008 9:27 pm
by yungal07
Getting Mikki Moore is hardly what I would call "capitalizing."

The Jazz could do better with expirings and a pick than Moore.

Posted: Thu Jan 3, 2008 9:30 pm
by BiggMann
I highly disagree...neither of those contracts are expiring, so your arguement is flawed.

the shear fact that Collins or Hart wont see the floor every again for the Utah Jazz is a bargain, and getting a defensive C with a good shooting percentage to go along with it.

...where does Utah sign?

love the trade :clap:

Posted: Thu Jan 3, 2008 9:35 pm
by RIPskaterdude
Why don't the Kings just cut the Jazz out and trade directly with the Knicks?

Posted: Thu Jan 3, 2008 9:36 pm
by KF10
xx_skaterdude_xx wrote:Why don't the Kings just cut the Jazz out and trade directly with the Knicks?


We get an extra 2nd pick :D

Posted: Thu Jan 3, 2008 9:38 pm
by CAE15
Yay, sign us up Mikki at the backup Center, then we can call up that guy form the d league perhaps.

Posted: Thu Jan 3, 2008 9:55 pm
by BiggMann
New Jazzy Nets wrote:Yay, sign us up Mikki at the backup Center, then we can call up that guy form the d league perhaps.



:nonono: :nonono:

That "guy" from the DLeague? call yourself a fan? It's either THAT guy from your avatar or DLeague MVP candidate Morris ALmond

:crazy: [/b]

Posted: Thu Jan 3, 2008 10:05 pm
by CAE15
BiggMann wrote:-= original quote snipped =-




:nonono: :nonono:

That "guy" from the DLeague? call yourself a fan? It's either THAT guy from your avatar or DLeague MVP candidate Morris ALmond

:crazy: [/b]


Im talking about that little guy that Fess carried or whatever, I dont follow the DLeague I know Mo, but im talking about the little guy who everyone thought might get called up eventually. didn't take the time to look up his name. okay so i looked it up and please forgive me for not knowing Kevin Kruger, and I thought I was a fan of the jazz. :banghead:

Posted: Thu Jan 3, 2008 11:15 pm
by RIPskaterdude
kingsfan10 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



We get an extra 2nd pick :D


Yeah but...Jason Hart (cut), Jarron Collins (cut), cash from UTA, UTA 2nd does not = Mikki Moore.

Especially since Mikki Moore's deal is essentially only 2 years. I figure the Kings are just going to keep "re-building on the fly" and then completely rebuild in 2009, when most of their big contracts expire.

Posted: Thu Jan 3, 2008 11:25 pm
by loserX
xx_skaterdude_xx wrote:I figure the Kings are just going to keep "re-building on the fly" and then completely rebuild in 2009, when most of their big contracts expire.


I've seen this expressed by some Kings fans lately...how exactly have the Kings been "rebuilding on the fly"? They're not clearing cap, they're not acquiring picks...the only personnel move they made in the off-season was signing 32-year-old Mikki Moore. All they're doing is getting older.

Having so many guys get injured every year that you keep getting lotto picks isn't rebuilding on the fly ;)

Posted: Fri Jan 4, 2008 1:28 am
by RIPskaterdude
loserX wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



I've seen this expressed by some Kings fans lately...how exactly have the Kings been "rebuilding on the fly"? They're not clearing cap, they're not acquiring picks...the only personnel move they made in the off-season was signing 32-year-old Mikki Moore. All they're doing is getting older.

Having so many guys get injured every year that you keep getting lotto picks isn't rebuilding on the fly ;)


Because they are playing for .500 ball until 09 (which I believe they would be this year if they had Martin/Artest/Bibby playing since day 1), when Mikki, Bibby, and other big contracts will expire. Not completely rebuilding, but still being competitive without trading all the vets for cash/picks.

Therefore, "rebuilding on the fly".

Posted: Fri Jan 4, 2008 1:41 am
by loserX
xx_skaterdude_xx wrote:Because they are playing for .500 ball until 09 (which I believe they would be this year if they had Martin/Artest/Bibby playing since day 1), when Mikki, Bibby, and other big contracts will expire. Not completely rebuilding, but still being competitive without trading all the vets for cash/picks.

Therefore, "rebuilding on the fly".


That sounds a lot more like "staying mediocre" than "rebuilding on the fly". Rebuilding implies some kind of activity, like cutting salary or acquiring picks or young players. The Kings aren't really doing anything in terms of their roster except waiting.

Posted: Fri Jan 4, 2008 2:09 am
by sackings916
loserX wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



That sounds a lot more like "staying mediocre" than "rebuilding on the fly". Rebuilding implies some kind of activity, like cutting salary or acquiring picks or young players. The Kings aren't really doing anything in terms of their roster except waiting.


I think management wants to see what this team can do when healthy. Martin has developed into one of the best SGs in the game, Artest is playing the best ball of his career,Garcia has made strides, and Brad Miller is now rebounding and running the floor to go along with his shooting and passing. I think the FO wants to see how Bibby does when he returns. If Bibby returns and plays at a high level, the Kings are a playoff team. Our wing rotation is the best in the league IMO (Kmart/Artest/Salmons/Garcia),we have a nice PG combo in Bibby and Beno, Miller and Moore are our only bigs but I think Theus is taking a small ball approach with Artest at PF. I personally want to see how a Bibby-Kmart-Salmons-Artest-Miller lineup does again some of the elite teams.

Posted: Fri Jan 4, 2008 2:12 am
by loserX
sackings916 wrote:I think management wants to see what this team can do when healthy. Martin has developed into one of the best SGs in the game, Artest is playing the best ball of his career,Garcia has made strides, and Brad Miller is now rebounding and running the floor to go along with his shooting and passing. I think the FO wants to see how Bibby does when he returns. If Bibby returns and plays at a high level, the Kings are a playoff team. Our wing rotation is the best in the league IMO (Kmart/Artest/Salmons/Garcia),we have a nice PG combo in Bibby and Beno, Miller and Moore are our only bigs but I think Theus is taking a small ball approach with Artest at PF. I personally want to see how a Bibby-Kmart-Salmons-Artest-Miller lineup does again some of the elite teams.


That's all well and good, and a good analysis. Thanks.

My point is, it's not "rebuilding on the fly", which is the tune I've been hearing from some Kings fans. It's not actually rebuilding in any way, shape or form.

Posted: Fri Jan 4, 2008 4:27 am
by King Baller
Sometimes the best move is to stand pat.

KB

Posted: Fri Jan 4, 2008 4:42 am
by stevebozell
Mikki Moore is a defensive center? Thats news to me.