Chicago-Portland-Toronto

[Village Idiot]

Chicago Trades:

Ben Wallace
Salary: $15,500,000 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 4.3 REB: 8.7 AST: 2.0 PER: 12.03

Chicago receives:

Rasho Nesterovic
Salary: $7,840,000 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 4.7 REB: 4.6 AST: 0.9 PER: 11.95

Darius Miles
Salary: $8,250,000 Years Remaining: 3

2008 1st from Toronto-lottery protected

2009 1st from Portland-lottery protected

The Bulls don't seem like all that great a fit for Wallace anymore. The fact that he's paid an ungodly amount of money doesn't help matters. Miles makes quite a bit less than Wallace with the same contract length while Rasho has an ending deal.

Miles has been working hard to get back into shape and is now scrimmaging. This deal assume that he's in good enough shape to play again allowing the Bulls to move say Hinrich+Nocioni for McGrady.

I addition the Bulls get two 1st rounders.


Portland trades:

Jarrett Jack
Salary: $1,217,400 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 9.5 REB: 2.5 AST: 3.5 PER: 12.83

Darius Miles
Salary: $8,250,000 Years Remaining: 3

2009 1st lottery protected


Portland receives:

Jorge Garbajosa
Salary: $4,000,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 3.1 REB: 2.1 AST: 0.4 PER: 10.80

Juan Dixon
Salary: $2,550,000 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 5.3 REB: 1.4 AST: 1.5 PER: 12.37

For Portland this is all about the 2009 cap-space plan which assumes the Blazers will have enough money to pursue a Max free-agent. By moving Miles' deal for ones that expire in 09 the Blazers can retain Frye, Webster and Outlaw as well. Personally I think retaining those three plus getting a top-free agent is well worth Jack and a pick even though it looks like we're taking it in the pooper. Garbajosa gets to hang out with his national team pals Rodriguez and Rudy. If he comes back that's a big plus. Rodriguez gets a lot more playing time with the deal. Dixon can be cut for all I care.


Toronto trades:

Rasho Nesterovic
Salary: $7,840,000 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 4.7 REB: 4.6 AST: 0.9 PER: 11.95

Jorge Garbajosa
Salary: $4,000,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 3.1 REB: 2.1 AST: 0.4 PER: 10.80

Juan Dixon
Salary: $2,550,000 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 5.3 REB: 1.4 AST: 1.5 PER: 12.37

2008 1st-lottery protected


Toronto receives:

Ben Wallace
Salary: $15,500,000 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 4.3 REB: 8.7 AST: 2.0 PER: 12.03

Jarrett Jack
Salary: $1,217,400 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 9.5 REB: 2.5 AST: 3.5 PER: 12.83

The Raptors get two somethings for three nothings and a pick of dubious value! Wallace wll go a long way to shedding their pussy lable. Jack is a friend of Bosh and will take over as 1st guard off the bench when Ford has to take medical retirement which looks more and more likely.

[bullzman23]

Ben Walalce: 10.5 rpg, 2.5 bpg, 2 spg, 2.8 bpg

That's Ben Wallace's line under Boylan. If that's how Ben Wallace can play from now on it's probably in the Bulls' best interest to keep him. That being said, a week a go I would have definitely done that trade, even w/o the T-Mac thing.

Nesterovic gives us an expiring contract and 6 fouls. We could probably dangle him in trades. The two first round picks give us flexibility. Miles probably won't play much in Chicago, but he's cheaper than Wallace and expires at the same time.

[SoHo]

This is an interesting idea. As a Portland fan I'd say, where do I sign? I don't think Jack has been fitting well in Portland this year, and if Rudy comes over and thrills us like many expect, then Jack will surely be on the outs. Then we get to dump Darius, which is huge, and I think sending out Jack/a likely mid/late first is well worth the price.

For Chicago I wonder if two late 1sts and decent savings is enough to convince them to exchange Wallace for the essentially worthless Miles. I definitely doubt it, especially with their current play. Clearly they save some money and that might be a big plus with Gordon and Deng needing extensions, but I still don't think I see them taking on Miles. I find it a million times more likely that they try to cut Portland and Miles out of the equation even if it costs them Duhon (in place of Jack to tempt Toronto).

I think this makes some sense for Toronto, but that is a huge amount of money to commit to Wallace. If there is interest in bringing Wallace to Toronto then this is a decent deal. Toronto clearly doesn't lose much talent, and they get an enforcer as well as a safeguard in case Ford isn't ready to come back. Talent wise I like it, but they might say no based on Wallace's salary.

[risktaker91]

This is interesting from the Bulls perspective. They trade big Ben and get back 2 horrible contracts. Darius Miles? He hasn't been in this league for years. However the 2 first round picks are intriguing.

As a Raps fan I'm not sure about this. Big Ben would look nice alongside Bosh, but this only delays Bargs' development.

[Friend_Of_Haley]

Chicago would probably do this. And honestly I could see them not even caring about Miles and treating him how they treated Tim Thomas.

[positivetension]

Wallaces contract is absolutely awful. I wouldn't even do the trade after taking the 1st out. Jarret Jack is a nice player, but he's not worth taking on Big Ben.

Also now we have Wallace taking time from Bargnani and we have three legit PGs? Ford, Calderon, Jack? Premature retirement is a definite possibility with Ford, but I don't see it happening in the next few seasons.

[Spykes]

I agree that this is a lot of money for the Raptors to take on, but it does seem like a great deal for them. They need an interior defensive presence, and even if Bargnani turns into every bit the player Raptor fans think he can be, he'll never be a great defensive C. Wallace gives them some nice frontcourt balance.

Personally, I think the Raptors should give up on this idea that Bargnani will ever become a center. If they want to stick with Bosh as a PF, they'd be better off trying to turn Bargnani into a SF. He's just not physical enough to be a true NBA center.

[tclg]

I like this trade mainly because we get two first rounders we can include in trades and we dump wallaces contract we get to play noah and thomas more .

[positivetension]

I agree that this is a lot of money for the Raptors to take on, but it does seem like a great deal for them. They need an interior defensive presence, and even if Bargnani turns into every bit the player Raptor fans think he can be, he'll never be a great defensive C. Wallace gives them some nice frontcourt balance.

Personally, I think the Raptors should give up on this idea that Bargnani will ever become a center. If they want to stick with Bosh as a PF, they'd be better off trying to turn Bargnani into a SF. He's just not physical enough to be a true NBA center.

Wallace is 33. Has three years left on his contract. He has already shown that he's on the downside of his career so it would be foolish for the Raptors to pay for the Bulls blunder, AND give up a pick. The last thing we need is him stagnating our offense.

A lot of people are doubting the Bargnani project. I still think he has it in him. If Raptors do decide to go in another direction though, it won't be for Ben Wallace..

[LightingTheRafer]

As a Raps fan, I must say this is intriguing. I think Ben would enjoy playing for Sam, and fills alot of our needs (rebounding, toughness), and we give up very little.

While his contract isn't great, correct me if I'm wrong, the last 2 years are only 26.5 million, and it becomes a valuable expiring contract in it's last year. So it's basically a 1.5-2.5 year rental, that takes some pressure of Bargnani to develop quicker, but ff Ben can still gaurd some of the bigger 3's in the east on occasion, Raps could run out a lineup of Bargs, Bosh, Ben, Parker/Delfino, Jose/TJ

[Mg2004]

i would do this trade. we get a good back up pg and a rebounding center. what do we really give up?

[Jim Todd Jr.]

obviously i do this as a raps fan

but it just doesnt seem realistic

[Spykes]

A lot of people are doubting the Bargnani project. I still think he has it in him. If Raptors do decide to go in another direction though, it won't be for Ben Wallace..

I'm not doubting that Bargnani can turn into a solid NBA player, I'm doubting he can ever turn into a solid NBA center.

[Fitz303]

I could not do this as a Blazers fan simply because under no circumstances do i want to see Juan Dixon in a Blazers jersey again.. I almost ripped every hair on my head out because of that guy

[inrapscity]

absolutely no way for the raptors to take on big ben and his contract.

chi shouldn't be getting any picks whatsoever for other teams to get rid of big ben for them.

[zong]

toronto says yes only if no picks are involved

[The_Critic]

I'll keep this short and sweet. Toronto says thanks, but no thanks.

Just thinking about that proposal is giving me loose bowels.

[IPC075009]

while i cant really critique this deal, because i think it is pretty fair, i can say that the ben wallace deal is not as bad as people believe it is. It declines for every year that is off and after this season it is only a two year deal. Not terrible.

[zong]

while i cant really critique this deal, because i think it is pretty fair, i can say that the ben wallace deal is not as bad as people believe it is. It declines for every year that is off and after this season it is only a two year deal. Not terrible.

nor is his decline in his playing ability, he's just struggled a bit along with all of the Bulls so far this season, but hes still a good 10/10 player with a pretty intimidating game, he needs to watch his fouls as well

I dont know what kind of a guy he is in the locker room, but hes a DEFINITE upgrade over Rasho, even with that "bad contract", and we still get him for scraps anyway

[positivetension]

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nor is his decline in his playing ability, he's just struggled a bit along with all of the Bulls so far this season, but hes still a good 10/10 player with a pretty intimidating game, he needs to watch his fouls as well

I dont know what kind of a guy he is in the locker room, but hes a DEFINITE upgrade over Rasho, even with that "bad contract", and we still get him for scraps anyway

Yeah, because financial flexibility isn't important.. Big Ben should find his way to the Knicks.