Clippers/Raptors

Post #1 » by **loflin3hree5ive** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 6:08 pm

Clippers Get:
Jorge Garbajosa
Rasho Nesterovic
Juan Dixon
Lottery Protected 2008 1st Round Pick

Raptors Get:
Corey Maggette
Tim Thomas

Clippers land Garbajosa would be an ideal 3rd big man coming off the bench behind Kaman and Brand. Dixon helps them score and Rasho is a filler. Rasho's deal is a year shorter than Thomas'.

Raptors improve their roster significantly without giving up any key components to their current squad. Trading Rasho might leave a hole in the middle if Bargnani can't play the 5 but filling in for Rasho can't be that hard. Raps have Maggette's bird rights and will be able to pay him more than any team trying to sign him away this summer.

cb4_89 · Post #2 » by **cb4_89** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 6:20 pm

Raptors do this easily. Garbo can't help us this year and rasho realistically is not in our future plans.

Post #3 » by **loflin3hree5ive** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 6:49 pm

i thought a raptors proposal would generate more interest than this...

Post #4 » by **bryant08** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 6:54 pm

Easy yes for the Raptors.

Dieselbound&Down · Post #5 » by **Dieselbound&Down** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 6:57 pm

loflin3hree5ive wrote:i thought a raptors proposal would generate more interest than this...

As a Clips fan, why is it you would do this? Because Maggette will likely walk?

I guess I'm not that familiar with your roster this year.

Post #6 » by **Nolan** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 7:00 pm

Toronto does this without a question but i'm not so sure about the Clippers they really don't get much out this deal, a couple exprings and a lotto protected first.

Post #7 » by **Schad** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 7:02 pm

Having to put up with Tim Thomas for two and a half seasons might well kill me, but this is still an easy yes for Toronto.

Hendrix · Post #8 » by **Hendrix** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 7:19 pm

Love it as a Raps fan ,but not really sure why as a clips fan you'd want to do this.

Post #9 » by **loflin3hree5ive** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 7:23 pm

clippers dump thomas' contract, get an additional first rounder and load their frontcourt in anticipation for next year. garbajosa is a keeper, we'll let rasho walk after next season.

yunggunz · Post #10 » by **yunggunz** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 9:44 pm

loflin3hree5ive wrote:clippers dump thomas' contract, get an additional first rounder and load their frontcourt in anticipation for next year. garbajosa is a keeper, we'll let rasho walk after next season.

That makes no sense. The Clipps give 26 mill and take back 26 mill. It actually adds more to their cap for next season (assuming Maggs opts out). That makes getting out of Thomas' last year a moot point.

So its a severe talent downgrade and sideways salary move for a mediocre pick. Doesnt make sense.

Post #11 » by **loflin3hree5ive** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 11:35 pm

yunggunz wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

That makes no sense. The Clipps give 26 mill and take back 26 mill. It actually adds more to their cap for next season (assuming Maggs opts out). That makes getting out of Thomas' last year a moot point.

So its a severe talent downgrade and sideways salary move for a mediocre pick. Doesnt make sense.

check the years big guy. we'd shave a year off tt's contract, get two servicable big men and a pick in return for two guys who aren't exactly the key to our future plans. besides, dunleavy loves big men who can pass and step out and shoot, especially euros like garbajosa (see sabonis & divac).

yunggunz · Post #12 » by **yunggunz** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 11:42 pm

loflin3hree5ive wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

check the years big guy. we'd shave a year off tt's contract, get two servicable big men and a pick in return for two guys who aren't exactly the key to our future plans. besides, dunleavy loves big men who can pass and step out and shoot, especially euros like garbajosa (see sabonis & divac).

Nothing wrong with the years. Like I said, shaving a year off of Thomas' contract is nullified by the additional cap space for next year.

And Garbajosa isnt a great passer (not anywhere near the level of Sabonis and divac...i hope that was a joke) and may or may not be half the player he once was. And nesterovic is worth a sack of rocks.

DIEHARD_005 · Post #13 » by **DIEHARD_005** » Sun Jan 6, 2008 12:51 am

Sign me up.

Post #14 » by **loflin3hree5ive** » Sun Jan 6, 2008 3:14 am

yunggunz wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Nothing wrong with the years. Like I said, shaving a year off of Thomas' contract is nullified by the additional cap space for next year.

And Garbajosa isnt a great passer (not anywhere near the level of Sabonis and divac...i hope that was a joke) and may or may not be half the player he once was. And nesterovic is worth a sack of rocks.

sabonis and divac played well into their 30's. garbajosa isn't young but he has plenty of time to develop into a great 3rd big man who plays the same style of basketball as sabonis and divac.

i try to make the trade reasons short and sweet but take this clippers team add elton/livingston/top 5 pick next year with a mla free agent they could win the division next season. rasho, garbs and a mid-first rounder would make the clippers solid and deep up front and rasho comes off the books after the year.

its not something i'd do in a heartbeat by any means but the idea came to me so i put it up for discussion.

yunggunz · Post #15 » by **yunggunz** » Sun Jan 6, 2008 7:40 am

loflin3hree5ive wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

sabonis and divac played well into their 30's. garbajosa isn't young but he has plenty of time to develop into a great 3rd big man who plays the same style of basketball as sabonis and divac.

i try to make the trade reasons short and sweet but take this clippers team add elton/livingston/top 5 pick next year with a mla free agent they could win the division next season. rasho, garbs and a mid-first rounder would make the clippers solid and deep up front and rasho comes off the books after the year.

its not something i'd do in a heartbeat by any means but the idea came to me so i put it up for discussion.

I dont know where you got the idea that Garbajosa was a great passer, because he isnt. And if you look at his assist stats, and assist/to stats, hes not any better than tim thomas. You add to that the fact that he just had severe surgery and hasnt been able to come from his big injury, and you have to doubt if he will ever be a serious contributer.

And then you assume that livingston is a sure thing to come back strong.....thats a huge assumption. Even if he comes back as good as he was pre-injury (which he wont).....that doesnt make the clipps contenders.
And Rasho would never be a rotation player for a team contending for the pacific title

Going by your rational for next season:

Brand (coming back from big injury), Mikki Moore (MLE signee), Livingston (coming off serious injury) and Jeff Green (top 5 pick) would make the Clippers a competitor for their division (and this is subtracting Magette). Please. That leaves you a lot closer to the worst record in the NBA than the division title.

Post #16 » by **loflin3hree5ive** » Sun Jan 6, 2008 6:19 pm

yunggunz wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I dont know where you got the idea that Garbajosa was a great passer, because he isnt. And if you look at his assist stats, and assist/to stats, hes not any better than tim thomas. You add to that the fact that he just had severe surgery and hasnt been able to come from his big injury, and you have to doubt if he will ever be a serious contributer.

And then you assume that livingston is a sure thing to come back strong.....thats a huge assumption. Even if he comes back as good as he was pre-injury (which he wont).....that doesnt make the clipps contenders.
And Rasho would never be a rotation player for a team contending for the pacific title

Going by your rational for next season:

Brand (coming back from big injury), Mikki Moore (MLE signee), Livingston (coming off serious injury) and Jeff Green (top 5 pick) would make the Clippers a competitor for their division (and this is subtracting Magette). Please. That leaves you a lot closer to the worst record in the NBA than the division title.

i got the idea garbajosa is a good passer from fantasy basketball last season. i recall he was one of the top passers among centers in the league.

nobody really knows how livingston will do when he returns. if he's playing well and is more motivated after tearing his knee up then who knows? i'm just saying if everything falls into place clips could surprise people.

rasho started 70 of the 70 games he played in 04-05 for the spurs and won a ring that year. how are you gonna say he can't be in the rotation for a division winner when he was the starting center on a championship team? you can't be serious

i don't think you understand my rational. mikki moore? beasley, rose, gordon, bayless, etc. are more ready to contribute than green. i don't agree with that comparison between last year's draft class (after the first two picks) and this one.

hermes · Post #17 » by **hermes** » Sun Jan 6, 2008 7:38 pm

loflin3hree5ive wrote:i thought a raptors proposal would generate more interest than this...

can't all be winners

yunggunz · Post #18 » by **yunggunz** » Sun Jan 6, 2008 11:25 pm

loflin3hree5ive wrote:
rasho started 70 of the 70 games he played in 04-05 for the spurs and won a ring that year. how are you gonna say he can't be in the rotation for a division winner when he was the starting center on a championship team? you can't be serious

....and they shipped him out ASAP because he was trash. And you could put anyone at C for the spurs and they would still be contenders. Nesterovic was just there, he waasnt a contributor.