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so the bucks are looking to make a few deals.

will pretty much take anything: (prefer expirings)
bobby simmons
dan gadzuric

looking for some talent back:
charlie bell

lets make a big deal:
mo williams
charlie villanueva


looking for defensive players, pass first pg or a "banger" bigman

Put Redd on this block.

Rose would fulfil the banger role but we'd need some incentive if we're going to take turds like Gadzuric or Simmons back.

Ron Artest & Filler
for
Mo Williams & Filler

Redbeardwirc0830 wrote:
lets make a big deal:
charlie villanueva

How does CV warrant a "big deal"???

Bac2Basics wrote:Ron Artest & Filler
for
Mo Williams & Filler

No. Ron Artest will never be a Buck.

Redd/Gadzuric/Voshkul for DWright/Cook/Davis/Williams

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How does CV warrant a "big deal"???

it has to be somewhat of a good offer...he could easily be part of a big deal.

An oldie but a goodie:

I read the MIL boards about your disdain for the unproductive Gadzuric, Simmons and Villanueva. MIN, on the other hand, doesn't care about production, so they might make a decent trading pair, if MIL can offer either cap space or future considerations.

What would you think of this

MIL GETS: Ryan Gomes, Marko Jaric
MIN GETS: Gadzuric, lottery-protected first.

The way I see it, Jaric > Gadzuric, and Ryan Gomes = late first.

WHY FOR MIL: This trade does more than just removing the unnecessary and unusable Gadzuric 4-year deal from the team. It amps up production by a lot. Jaric's deal is the same length, but he can provide size and perimeter defense, and Gomes is a young vet who's started over 100 games. His hard work, strength and attitude allow him to work inside and outside.

MIL has four really good players, and Yi and Bogut are just going to get better by the end of the season. It seems to me that they could do some damage in the East if they could just add some players that compliment them. I could see these guys doing that.

WHY FOR MIN: MIN's guys are far more productive, but they are rebuilding, so they don't need it. Gadzuric may get some minutes next to Al Jefferson, and while he's a four-year deal, he's slightly cheaper than Jaric. A lottery-protected first provides some incentive.

Incidently, Villaneuva really doesn't fit here, but we could work something out for him too. I don't see a way for MIN to take Simmons though.


Minnesota Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -16.1 ppg, -4.5 rpg, and -5.2 apg.
Incoming Players
Dan Gadzuric
6-11 C from UCLA
3.0 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.3 apg in 9.7 minutes
Outgoing Players
Ryan Gomes
6-7 SF from Providence
9.7 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 1.3 apg in 24.7 minutes
Marko Jaric
6-7 SG from Serbia-Montenegro (Foreign)
9.4 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 4.2 apg in 27.5 minutes

Milwaukee Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +16.1 ppg, +4.5 rpg, and +5.2 apg.
Incoming Players
Ryan Gomes
6-7 SF from Providence
9.7 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 1.3 apg in 24.7 minutes
Marko Jaric
6-7 SG from Serbia-Montenegro (Foreign)
9.4 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 4.2 apg in 27.5 minutes
Outgoing Players
Dan Gadzuric
6-11 C from UCLA
3.0 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.3 apg in 9.7 minutes [/quote]

Would the Bucks be interested in Balkman, Jones, and Rose for Mo Williams and Gadzuric? It's a salary dump for the Bucks and a talent upgrade for the Knicks.

What about this. It allows Memphis to move Pau since Villanueva moves in at PF and it allows the Bucks to move Redd since Miller fills that role.

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Milwaukee Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +2.3 ppg, -1.4 rpg, and +1.4 apg.
Incoming Players
Hakim Warrick
6-9 SF / PF from Syracuse
7.0 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 0.2 apg in 13.5 minutes
Mike Miller
6-8 SG from Florida
15.8 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 3.9 apg in 37.3 minutes

Outgoing Players
Charlie Villanueva
6-10 PF from Connecticut
9.5 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 0.5 apg in 20.1 minutes
Jake Voskuhl
6-11 C from Connecticut
3.0 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 0.5 apg in 9.9 minutes
Desmond Mason
6-5 SF / SG from Oklahoma State
8.0 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 1.7 apg in 26.1 minutes
1st/2nd round pick


Memphis Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -2.3 ppg, +1.4 rpg, and -1.4 apg.
Incoming Players
Charlie Villanueva
6-10 PF from Connecticut
9.5 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 0.5 apg in 20.1 minutes
Jake Voskuhl
6-11 C from Connecticut
3.0 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 0.5 apg in 9.9 minutes
Desmond Mason
6-5 SF / SG from Oklahoma State
8.0 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 1.7 apg in 26.1 minutes
1st/2nd round pick

Outgoing Players
Hakim Warrick
6-9 SF / PF from Syracuse
7.0 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 0.2 apg in 13.5 minutes
Mike Miller
6-8 SG from Florida
15.8 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 3.9 apg in 37.3 minutes

yungal07 wrote:Would the Bucks be interested in Balkman, Jones, and Rose for Mo Williams and Gadzuric? It's a salary dump for the Bucks and a talent upgrade for the Knicks.

I wouldn't do that if I were the Knicks. I am not too found of Williams. I would prefer to use those trade chips on someone else.

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I wouldn't do that if I were the Knicks. I am not too found of Williams. I would prefer to use those trade chips on someone else.

Those "trade chips" don't really hold significant value.....

shrink wrote:MIL GETS: Ryan Gomes, Marko Jaric
MIN GETS: Gadzuric, lottery-protected first.

This only makes sense to me if Bobby Simmons can be moved elsewhere. The last thing the Bucks want to do is pay Simmons and Redd and Jaric a kajillion dollars combined to man two positions.

Since I doubt the Bucks will be able to move Simmons, they won't take on Jaric.

BK takes heat in PHI, but MIL gave out some brutal deals.

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Those "trade chips" don't really hold significant value.....

I think they have more value than you realize although Rose will certainly be much more valuable next season.

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I think they have more value than you realize although Rose will certainly be much more valuable next season.

Put a package of Rose, Jones, and Balkman and nobody gives you a player near the quality of Mo Williams IMO.

loserX wrote: This only makes sense to me if Bobby Simmons can be moved elsewhere. The last thing the Bucks want to do is pay Simmons and Redd and Jaric a kajillion dollars combined to man two positions.

Since I doubt the Bucks will be able to move Simmons, they won't take on Jaric.

Its no better to pay Gadzuric that same kajillian dollars to ride the bench at center? At least Jaric's going to get into games somewhere. I'd personally play him over Charlie Bell as a back-up one alongside the no-defense Redd. Supposedly Gadz has quit on the team (which might be why he's averaging only ten minutes a game), and amid the DNP's, he's only averaged more than 8 mpg twice since December 1. Bogut's development isn't going to help Gadzuric any either.

I agree all deals look better if Simmons gets moved. But its better to have playable over-priced guys than less play-able over-priced guys, if you're already spending the money.

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Put a package of Rose, Jones, and Balkman and nobody gives you a player near the quality of Mo Williams IMO.

Speculation does not equal fact.

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Speculation does not equal fact.

Just like you speculate that they're worth more than I think? Every sword has two edges.