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[shagadelic45]

Orlando Magic

Incoming Players

Malik Rose
Salary: $7,101,250 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 2.0 REB: 2.0 AST: 0.4 PER: -0.95

Jamal Crawford
Salary: $7,920,000 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 18.7 REB: 3.0 AST: 4.6 PER: 14.49

Nate Robinson
Salary: $1,268,160 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 10.6 REB: 2.7 AST: 1.6 PER: 15.98

Outgoing Players: J.J. Redick, Keyon Dooling, Pat Garrity, Carlos Arroyo

Crawford, while an expense at $8 million per, is the upgrade at the Magic's only area of need, SG, they need. Rose and Robinson are 2 solid contributors off the bench, all for 4 pretty much bit-players off the bench.




Minnesota Timberwolves

Incoming Players

J.J. Redick
Salary: $2,000,160 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 3.2 REB: 0.3 AST: 0.5 PER: 10.04

Keyon Dooling
Salary: $3,596,000 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 8.2 REB: 1.3 AST: 1.8 PER: 12.75

Jamaal Magloire
Salary: $4,000,000 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 2.2 REB: 3.9 AST: 0.4 PER: 1.95

Pat Garrity
Salary: $3,818,750 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 2.3 REB: 2.0 AST: 0.6 PER: 0.22

Bostjan Nachbar
Salary: $2,500,000 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 10.3 REB: 3.0 AST: 1.0 PER: 11.37

Carlos Arroyo
Salary: $4,000,000 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 6.6 REB: 2.0 AST: 3.9 PER: 14.73

Fred Jones
Salary: $3,300,000 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 6.1 REB: 2.2 AST: 2.1 PER: 10.65

Outgoing Players: Greg Buckner, Mark Madsen, Sebastian Telfair, Craig Smith, Ryan Gomes, Marko Jaric, Chris Richard, Antoine Walker

Purely a salary dump/rebuild trade for the Wolves. Yes Telfair, Smith, Gomes, and Richard could be a part of that rebuilding, but none are "superstars" in the making and the cap savings is well worth it.



New York Knicks

Incoming Players

Greg Buckner
Salary: $3,750,746 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 5.1 REB: 2.5 AST: 1.7 PER: 7.75

Mark Madsen
Salary: $2,420,000 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 0.4 REB: 2.5 AST: 0.3 PER: -0.50

Sebastian Telfair
Salary: $2,562,426 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 9.6 REB: 2.3 AST: 5.6 PER: 10.29

Antoine Walker
Salary: $8,329,640 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 9.8 REB: 4.0 AST: 1.1 PER: 13.51

Outgoing Players: Malik Rose, Jamal Crawford, Nate Robinson, Fred Jones

The Knicks save a bunch of money and unload Rose and Crawford's deals for Walker and Buckner, who expire next year. Mad Dog is the good guy vet who doesn't mind be the 12th man and Telfair could be a player at the PG position.




New Jersey Nets

Incoming Players

Craig Smith
Salary: $687,456 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 10.9 REB: 4.8 AST: 0.3 PER: 16.55

Ryan Gomes
Salary: $770,610 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 10.0 REB: 4.9 AST: 1.3 PER: 13.29

Marko Jaric
Salary: $6,050,000 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 9.0 REB: 2.5 AST: 4.2 PER: 12.84

Chris Richard
Salary: $427,163 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 1.4 REB: 1.9 AST: 0.2 PER: 6.53

Outgoing Players: Jamaal Magloire, Bostjan Nachbar

The Nets bolster their bench with 3 very solid players and the long term potential of Richard. They actually save about $2 million this year and reload for a run at the East.

[deeney0]

Still no good for the Wolves. They're not going to trade Craig Smith just to move Jaric.

[moocow007]

Pass for NY as well. Just because Crawford has his flaws doesn't mean that it makes NY trading the best player in this deal for a pocket full of stale potato chips and Toine. Malik Rose's contract is relatively mild and you're also having NY include an expiring contract (Jones) and a talented young guard (Robinson). For what?

[shagadelic45]

^^^ a TON of cap savings!

Crawford, Robinson, Rose, Jones

2007: 20 million
2008: 18 million
2009:12.5
2010:10


Walker, Buckner, Madsen, Telfair

2007:16 million
2008:15 million
2009:3
2010:0

[shrink]

If Malik Rose's contract at $7 mil is "relatively mild" with these numbers:

Malik Rose
Salary: $7,101,250 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 2.0 REB: 2.0 AST: 0.4 PER: -0.95

Then the two year deals of Buckner and Walker must be downroght delightful!

Greg Buckner
Salary: $3,750,746 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 5.1 REB: 2.5 AST: 1.7 PER: 7.75

Antoine Walker
Salary: $8,329,640 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 9.8 REB: 4.0 AST: 1.1 PER: 13.51

[4ho5ive]

Minnesota is essentially left with:

Foye/Arroyo
McCants/Redick/Jones/Dooling/Green
Brewer/Nachbar/Green
Jefferson/Nachbar??
Magloire/Doleac/Garrity/Ratliff

and once they all expire

Foye
McCants/Redick
Brewer
Jefferson
????

So with no extra pick Minnesota has 2 draft picks and the other 7 spots come from where? No go

[shagadelic45]

So with no extra pick Minnesota has 2 draft picks and the other 7 spots come from where? No go

the $4o million in cap space they would have!

[ecuhus1981]

The. Nets. Do. Not. Want. Jaric.

[shagadelic45]

for the package they get (gomes, smith) i think it's well worth it.

[DanTown8587]

NBA GM's do not believe in having five or six guys walking out the door. Everyone would be playing for their next contract and only three or four of those guys would stay probably, meaning you have to fil a lot of holes over the off season, and what FA wants to go to Minnesota and rebuild with Jefferson-#1-Foye?

[revprodeji]

Nope. MN turns it down.

[ecuhus1981]

for the package they get (gomes, smith) i think it's well worth it.

Yes, certainly. I have never directly argued the fairness or trade value of this or any Jaric-to-NJ deal. The point is, he would be a deadweight contract on our roster. He would never, ever get to run the offense for Frank, and Marko has proven over his career that he needs legit ball-hanlding duties in order to be anywhere near worth his contract.

Getting a trio of wannabe Maxiells isn't exactly setting the New Jersey world on fire. But it is WAY more than adequate sweetener for a team to absorb Jaric, one that needs him, that is. NEW JERSEY IS JUST NOT THAT TEAM!.

[4ho5ive]

So with no extra pick Minnesota has 2 draft picks and the other 7 spots come from where? No go

the $4o million in cap space they would have!

Thats great, we would have a lot of extra money, but for what? There are no big time FA's coming out until 09 and like DanTown said, who is going to want to come here in a rebuild phase with only 5 players?

[hermes]

Still no good for the Wolves. They're not going to trade Craig Smith just to move Jaric.

agreed
wolves aren't getting rid of smith that easily

[shrink]

Thats great, we would have a lot of extra money, but for what? There are no big time FA's coming out until 09 and like DanTown said, who is going to want to come here in a rebuild phase with only 5 players?

I see your point. The line-up would look like this:

$11.0 Al Jefferson

$2.8 Randy Foye
$2.7 Corey Brewer
$2.6 Rashad McCants
$2.2 JJ Reddick

$3.0 MIN 1st
0.45 MIN 2nd
0.45 MIA 2nd

$11.0 Buy-outs ( Hudson + Juwon)
--------------------------------------------------------
$36.2 mil

I don't know though -- this seems like a decent position to be in. I agree that its tough for MIN to attract free agents, but a younger player might like the idea of leading a young, promising team. The following season, MIN may have to issue guaranteed contracts for three 1st rounders (MIN, MIA, BOS), and have the money to make an offer for McCants, if he develops.

I guess I'd make a strong push for Okafor (who'd still only be 25), maybe make POB a tiny offer, and perhaps a swingman, depending on the draft. Then a few good attitude vets, and see what happens.

[shagadelic45]

Still no good for the Wolves. They're not going to trade Craig Smith just to move Jaric.

agreed
wolves aren't getting rid of smith that easily

it it makes NJ take Jaric they do

[4ho5ive]

I understand what you are saying Shrink. I would really love to keep one of Gomes/Smith somehow, we could throw one of them an offer. I guess the inner GM in me says that its not realistic to have a roster of 5 players.

[shrink]

I understand what you are saying Shrink. I would really love to keep one of Gomes/Smith somehow, we could throw one of them an offer. I guess the inner GM in me says that its not realistic to have a roster of 5 players.

I would also prefer to keep one of Gomes or Smith (hopefully both), and it probably doesn't make sense to use all the guys to move all the two-year deals before we need the cap space. I can see what shag's going for, and his overall trend is great. It might just be too much of a good thing.

[moocow007]

If Malik Rose's contract at $7 mil is "relatively mild" with these numbers:

Malik Rose
Salary: $7,101,250 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 2.0 REB: 2.0 AST: 0.4 PER: -0.95

Then the two year deals of Buckner and Walker must be downroght delightful!

Greg Buckner
Salary: $3,750,746 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 5.1 REB: 2.5 AST: 1.7 PER: 7.75

Antoine Walker
Salary: $8,329,640 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 9.8 REB: 4.0 AST: 1.1 PER: 13.51

Neither Buckner (who just sucks) nor Walker (who doesn't do anything NY needs, unlike Rose) would be getting any time in NY. So factor in that the likely true stat line for your "studs" are:

Greg Buckner
Salary: $3,750,746 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 0 REB: 0 AST: 0 PER: 0

Antoine Walker
Salary: $8,329,640 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 0 REB: 0 AST: 0 PER: 0

So, yes, Rose is mild compared to those two since Rose actually serves some sort of role in NY.

[moocow007]

^^^ a TON of cap savings!

Crawford, Robinson, Rose, Jones

2007: 20 million
2008: 18 million
2009:12.5
2010:10


Walker, Buckner, Madsen, Telfair

2007:16 million
2008:15 million
2009:3
2010:0

TON of what cap savings? All this does is save money. It's not likely with the other contracts NY have to get them under the cap enough to do anything with. So what exactly does saving James Dolan money while making the Knicks worse to???????????