Realistic Blockbuster??? ----> SAC - CLE - TOR

wajr · Post #1 » by **wajr** » Tue Jan 8, 2008 6:32 pm

Sacramento Kings Incoming Players

Anthony Parker
Salary: $4,350,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 10.7 REB: 3.9 AST: 1.7 PER: 13.51

Drew Gooden
Salary: $6,453,416 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 12.6 REB: 9.0 AST: 1.1 PER: 13.89

Stromile Swift
Salary: $5,800,000 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 7.2 REB: 3.9 AST: 0.7 PER: 15.95

Jason Kapono
Salary: $5,356,000 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 9.2 REB: 1.9 AST: 0.8 PER: 12.09

Joey Graham
Salary: $1,596,600 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 4.4 REB: 2.4 AST: 0.3 PER: 8.12

Outgoing Players: Mike Bibby, Ron Artest

Toronto Raptors Incoming Players

Ron Artest
Salary: $7,400,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 19.1 REB: 6.1 AST: 4.3 PER: 17.25

Damon Stoudamire
Salary: $4,350,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 7.3 REB: 2.4 AST: 3.9 PER: 12.22

Outgoing Players: Anthony Parker, Jason Kapono, Joey Graham, Juan Dixon

Memphis Grizzlies Incoming Players
Eric Snow
Salary: $6,703,125 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 0.9 REB: 1.0 AST: 1.9 PER: 4.24

Juan Dixon
Salary: $2,550,000 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 4.8 REB: 1.4 AST: 1.4 PER: 11.49

Outgoing Players: Stromile Swift, Damon Stoudamire

Cleveland Cavaliers Incoming Players

Mike Bibby
Salary: $13,500,000 Years Remaining: 2

Outgoing Players: Eric Snow, Drew Gooden

Flame away!r

zong · Post #2 » by **zong** » Tue Jan 8, 2008 7:14 pm

easy yes for Toronto, but I dont think Colangelo will do it simply cuz its Artest

question: why does Mem get rid of Swift's expiring to get Snow's 2 years? wouldnt it be wiser just get Dixon for Damon?

Post #3 » by **Alfred** » Tue Jan 8, 2008 7:15 pm

Memphis gets pwned in this deal.

EastSideBucksFan · Post #4 » by **EastSideBucksFan** » Tue Jan 8, 2008 7:18 pm

SAC gets waaaay too much for Bibby/Artest

rpa · Post #5 » by **rpa** » Tue Jan 8, 2008 7:18 pm

So the Kings trade Bibby AND Artest and get back a 32 year old role player, a scrub big w/ a year left on his deal, gooden, a SF/SG w/ a longterm deal that they don't need, and another SG/SF scrub.

This is realistic HOW? Joke of a trade IMO

Post #6 » by **Alfred** » Tue Jan 8, 2008 7:21 pm

rpa wrote:So the Kings trade Bibby AND Artest and get back a 32 year old role player, a scrub big w/ a year left on his deal, gooden, a SF/SG w/ a longterm deal that they don't need, and another SG/SF scrub.

This is realistic HOW? Joke of a trade IMO

Bibby is TERRIBLE and has one of the worst contracts in the league. How you could possibly imagine that this is a bad deal for the Kings is beyond me.

wajr · Post #7 » by **wajr** » Tue Jan 8, 2008 7:21 pm

zong wrote:easy yes for Toronto, but I dont think Colangelo will do it simply cuz its Artest

question: why does Mem get rid of Swift's expiring to get Snow's 2 years? wouldnt it be wiser just get Dixon for Damon?

Thats a good question. I'm going to try and revise this a little bit to make it better for Mem and Sac.

rpa · Post #8 » by **rpa** » Tue Jan 8, 2008 7:23 pm

Alfred wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Bibby is TERRIBLE and has one of the worst contracts in the league. How you could possibly imagine that this is a bad deal for the Kings is beyond me.

1 more year is a terrible contract for a player who's still a damn good PG? :roll:

wajr · Post #9 » by **wajr** » Tue Jan 8, 2008 7:27 pm

Ok so I just cut out Memphis completely. Pretty much the same deal. RPA. I don't see Sac getting much more for these 2 than what is being offered but what do I know. I'm just an armchair GM trying to have some fun. Cheers

This Trade Succeeded! Go back to adjust your trade or start over.
Sacramento Kings

Incoming Players
Eric Snow
Salary: $6,703,125 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 0.9 REB: 1.0 AST: 1.9 PER: 4.24

Anthony Parker
Salary: $4,350,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 10.7 REB: 3.9 AST: 1.7 PER: 13.51

Drew Gooden
Salary: $6,453,416 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 12.6 REB: 9.0 AST: 1.1 PER: 13.89

Jason Kapono
Salary: $5,356,000 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 9.2 REB: 1.9 AST: 0.8 PER: 12.09

Joey Graham
Salary: $1,596,600 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 4.4 REB: 2.4 AST: 0.3 PER: 8.12

Outgoing Players: Mike Bibby, Ron ArtestToronto Raptors

Incoming Players
Ron Artest
Salary: $7,400,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 19.1 REB: 6.1 AST: 4.3 PER: 17.25

Outgoing Players: Anthony Parker, Jason Kapono, Joey GrahamCleveland Cavaliers

Incoming Players
Mike Bibby
Salary: $13,500,000 Years Remaining: 2

Outgoing Players: Eric Snow, Drew Gooden

ecuhus1981 · Post #10 » by **ecuhus1981** » Tue Jan 8, 2008 7:27 pm

Swift doesn't have an expiring contract. He has a player option, and he would be insane to opt out of it.

If SAC moves Artest, it will be for quality youth, not this assortment of old and older, lesser veterans.

Lastly, if Alfred feels Bibby is soooo terrible, then CLE gets hosed even more than I think. Truth is, if a trademaker isn't going to give semi-decent value to SAC in return for their multi-time almost-All-Star, then it's best to leave him out of the trade.

wajr · Post #11 » by **wajr** » Tue Jan 8, 2008 7:30 pm

What kind of quality youth do you expect SAC to real in for Artest. Serious question im just curious.

rpa · Post #12 » by **rpa** » Tue Jan 8, 2008 7:30 pm

rjaw wrote:Ok so I just cut out Memphis completely. Pretty much the same deal. RPA. I don't see Sac getting much more for these 2 than what is being offered but what do I know. I'm just an armchair GM trying to have some fun. Cheers

Then they'd keep Artest & Bibby. It's an absolute JOKE to think the Kings would trade Bibby and Artest and actually TAKE ON longterm salary while getting WORSE talent wise. Plus they don't get any legitimate young players or picks.

Smills91 · Post #13 » by **Smills91** » Tue Jan 8, 2008 7:31 pm

EastSideBucksFan wrote:SAC gets waaaay too much for Bibby/Artest

What exactly do the Kings get here? Anthony Parker...hmm I'm sure he'd steal minutes from Martin, Salmons, Garcia etc.

Post #14 » by **Alfred** » Tue Jan 8, 2008 7:31 pm

rpa wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

1 more year is a terrible contract for a player who's still a damn good PG?

Bibby is a ball-dominating SG in a PG's body who has been injured the whole season. His FG% and APG averages have been declining for years now, and yes, well over ten million dollars is way too much to be paying him, in fact, there are only 23 people in the entire NBA making more money than this guy right now. He has negative trade value.

Smills91 · Post #15 » by **Smills91** » Tue Jan 8, 2008 7:33 pm

Alfred wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Bibby is a ball-dominating SG in a PG's body who has been injured the whole season. His FG% and APG averages have been declining for years now, and yes, well over ten million dollars is way too much to be paying him, in fact, there are only 23 people in the entire NBA making more money than this guy right now. He has negative trade value.

Bibby's a top tiered PG. You'll be reminded of that here in a couple weeks.

rpa · Post #16 » by **rpa** » Tue Jan 8, 2008 7:34 pm

Alfred wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Bibby is a ball-dominating SG in a PG's body who has been injured the whole season. His FG% and APG averages have been declining for years now, and yes, well over ten million dollars is way too much to be paying him, in fact, there are only 23 people in the entire NBA making more money than this guy right now. He has negative trade value.

And yet he's still wanted by a number of teams out there. But then again, I just realized that you're a Raptors fan which means that your opinion really doesn't hold any credibility here.

wajr · Post #17 » by **wajr** » Tue Jan 8, 2008 7:35 pm

Quality points people. Maybe not as realistic as I first thought. I'm just a raps fan who would love to see Artest here all BS aside. I think Mitchell could make it work and as long as were winning I'm sure Ron would be Ok.

wajr · Post #18 » by **wajr** » Tue Jan 8, 2008 7:38 pm

rpa wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

And yet he's still wanted by a number of teams out there. But then again, I just realized that you're a Raptors fan which means that your opinion really doesn't hold any credibility here.

The raps have an incredible fan base. DOn't let a few bad apples on RealGM blind you from this fact. Not calling you a bad Apple there Alfred. I just get tired of Raps fans getting bashed on here. There are so many of us on here that your bound to get a few trolls. Every teams got them so don't point the finger at us!

Post #19 » by **Alfred** » Tue Jan 8, 2008 7:46 pm

rpa wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

And yet he's still wanted by a number of teams out there. But then again, I just realized that you're a Raptors fan which means that your opinion really doesn't hold any credibility here.

Good argument. Actually, I take that back, it makes you look like a moron; associating intelligence with a sports team is an INCREDIBLY stupid thing to say, stupid enough that it makes the whole "credibility" thing you're talking about reek of irony. Please tell me you're joking so that I can rest easy knowing that someone who believes something that embarrassing doesn't actually exist.

What city do you live in? I'm curious.

Bibby's a top tiered PG. You'll be reminded of that here in a couple weeks.

Wow, you're right, Bibby is such a good pointguard that Sacramento fans have been shopping his ass all over the place. If he's such a good pointguard, why did he, Artest, Martin and Miller look like such a terrible team?

rpa · Post #20 » by **rpa** » Tue Jan 8, 2008 7:54 pm

Alfred wrote:Good argument. Actually, I take that back, it makes you look like a moron; associating intelligence with a sports team is an INCREDIBLY stupid thing to say, stupid enough that it makes the whole "credibility" thing you're talking about reek of irony. Please tell me you're joking so that I can rest easy knowing that someone who believes something that embarrassing doesn't actually exist.

Who said anything about intelligence? Maybe you should go back and read the original post again; maybe more than just one more time. The simple fact is that on these boards Raptors fans are up there with Laker fans & Knick fans as having completely unrealistic interpretations of the value of their players and of others.

Therefore, you being a Raptors fan, you have little credibility for speaking on the value of your players or other players (at least as most other fans are concerned).