Knicks - Miami trade

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KNICKS Get:

Ricky Davis
Jason Williams

Miami Gets:
Zach Randolph

Knicks cut salary & Heat get scoring help at power forward position.

[BBallFreak]

No. Zach has a terrible contract and we're a terrible team. Why make matters worse?

[#1knickfan]

No. This doesn't help the Knicks in any way shape or form.

[gswhoops]

NO way the Knicks get expirings, let alone productive ones, for Zach Randolph.

[gswhoops]

No. This doesn't help the Knicks in any way shape or form.

Other than giving you a PG who can distribute the ball, a SG who can score in a variety of ways, and about $45M in cap relief, I agree, this does nothing for NY.

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I dont understand how you think this trade does nothing for the knicks. If this trade was made look at their payroll situation at the end of next year when marbury and rose come off. They would be in the low 40mill range. I could care less what davis and williams has to offer on the court. i would simply do this deal to get under the cap.

[4ho5ive]

If Miami throws in filler (i.e Haslem and a 1st) than you got a deal!

[BBallFreak]

If Miami throws in filler (i.e Haslem and a 1st) than you got a deal!

WTF?

That's a hell of a lot more than you guys paid for the scrub in the first place, and his value certainly hasn't gone up in the half a season he's worn out his welcome in New York!

At this point, I wouldn't deal Mark Blount for him, much less Haslem, a 1st, and $16 million in productive expiring contracts!

[Number34]

If Miami throws in filler (i.e Haslem and a 1st) than you got a deal!

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[gavran]

Other than giving you a PG who can distribute the ball

Jason Williams?

a SG who can score in a variety of ways

He's also and idiot, who's not that much better then Crawford (I'm not even sure he's even better then him)

and about $45M in cap relief, I agree, this does nothing for NY.

Wow, Williams and Davis are makig 22,5 million each? They're really overpaid. This deal does NOTHING for NY.
But I'd do it anyway, since rebuilding has to start with expiring contracts.

[BBallFreak]

Jason Williams?

He's actually a very good distributor.

He's also and idiot, who's not that much better then Crawford (I'm not even sure he's even better then him)

He is. Much more effecient in his chucking.

Wow, Williams and Davis are makig 22,5 million each? They're really overpaid. This deal does NOTHING for NY.

No, Zach Randolph is due approximately $48 million after both J-Will and Davis expire, hence the aforementioned savings.

But I'd do it anyway, since rebuilding has to start with expiring contracts.

Which is exactly why Miami won't do it...

[#1knickfan]

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Other than giving you a PG who can distribute the ball, a SG who can score in a variety of ways, and about $45M in cap relief, I agree, this does nothing for NY.

And yet their team actually has a worse record than the Knicks. Go figure.

[#1knickfan]

I dont understand how you think this trade does nothing for the knicks. If this trade was made look at their payroll situation at the end of next year when marbury and rose come off. They would be in the low 40mill range. I could care less what davis and williams has to offer on the court. i would simply do this deal to get under the cap.

Why the hell would we trade a productive player for two guys who won't help us on the court for the sake of being under the cap after next season. If these guys aren't going to help us now and their expiring contracts won't help us anytime soon why bother making this deal?

[moocow007]

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Other than giving you a PG who can distribute the ball, a SG who can score in a variety of ways, and about $45M in cap relief, I agree, this does nothing for NY.

There are obviously merits to moving Randolph but if Jason Williams was someone that can be an upgrade as far as distributing ball then he'd be getting more minutes and his team wouldn't be worse than the Knicks. And NY already has SG's that can score in a variety of ways that nor do they need anymore cancerous players (and if Marbury is then so is Davis). This is purely about shedding Randolph (not even contracts per se since NY would have no problem taking on contracts if the player actually fits what they need, which Randolph does not). Ricky Davis should be told to just stay home (like they did with Penny Hardaway) for the rest of the season (or bought out). Jason Williams can linger on here but would likely to go elsewhere next season (since based on recent interviews Williams wants to be in a winning situation, which is not NY).

[#1knickfan]

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WTF?

That's a hell of a lot more than you guys paid for the scrub in the first place, and his value certainly hasn't gone up in the half a season he's worn out his welcome in New York!

At this point, I wouldn't deal Mark Blount for him, much less Haslem, a 1st, and $16 million in productive expiring contracts!

First of all, the needs of the team the originally dealt Randolph aren't the same as the team that might deal him now so I really wish people would stop equating his trade value upon the circumstances of Randolph's previous team. Secondly, Randolph hasn't worn out his welcome. The only reason we are looking to deal him is because its clear that Curry isn't nearly as productive with Randolph on the same team and we invested much more in Curry. I would actually prefer to deal Curry because even though both guys can't or won't play defense Randolph actually rebounds the ball. But circumstances are what they are.

And please spare me the nonsense that you wouldn't deal Mark Blount for Randolph (assuming salary implications didn't make such a deal legally impossible). You are starting to sound like that dip$hit Smills91 who said he wouldn't deal SAR and Kenny Thomas for Randolph. You're a lot smarter than he is so you should be better than that.

[4ho5ive]

WTF?

That's a hell of a lot more than you guys paid for the scrub in the first place, and his value certainly hasn't gone up in the half a season he's worn out his welcome in New York!

At this point, I wouldn't deal Mark Blount for him, much less Haslem, a 1st, and $16 million in productive expiring contracts!

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Well I dont like to make my sarcasm obvious and alot of times its for my own enjoyment. So if you couldnt tell for certain, yes, it was a joke. I know Z Bo isnt worth shi+ at this point so you guys can relax. And please dont confuse me and think im a Knicks fan and refer to it as "you guys"

[turk3d]

I think that Miami and New York, two teams who appear to be going nowhere this season, are actually logical trade partners. What they should trade each other, is another story.

I think Zack (who maybe has been New York's most productive player overall this year, except for recently) would be a big help to the Heat, as he would take a lot of the inside scoring pressure off Shaq, who is obviously no longer a full time player any more. What the Knicks could potentially get is some salary help (which they sorely need) and the opportunity to turn the starting role at power forward to Lee (who is much less expensive for them) and bodes well for the future. Is Lee a better player than Zack right now? No, but probably is good enough to be a starter and might be better in the long run.

In order to do this deal, undoubtedly Haslem would have to be coming back to New York (or get moved to a 3rd team) for the money to be workable. If Williams comes to NY, someone else would probably be need to be moved back to Miami to assume the point guard duties (perhaps comes from that 3rd team). Since I am not either a Knick fan nor a Miami fan (I do like both teams however and would like to seem them improve) I'll leave it to you guys to figure out what works.

You both need to do something imo and I don't think you're going to get much help from anyone else out there so you might as well try and do a deal which helps you both. Maybe you can pull a 3rd team into it who would have a minor role. I think you guys have movable pieces which would fit nicely with each other.

What team has a decent point guard that they'd be willing to trade for Haslem, assuming Zack went to Miami?

[4ho5ive]

I agree somewhat, but it sounds like you are saying a trade should happen just to happen. If they are both going nowhere that doesnt mean they both need to deal each others shi+.

[BBallFreak]

And please spare me the nonsense that you wouldn't deal Mark Blount for Randolph (assuming salary implications didn't make such a deal legally impossible). You are starting to sound like that dip$hit Smills91 who said he wouldn't deal SAR and Kenny Thomas for Randolph. You're a lot smarter than he is so you should be better than that.

Try asking why I wouldn't do it. Even though you didn't ask, I'll answer you.

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Randolph's deal is ludicrous and it's going to cost us a fortune after Shaq retires! Their is no way I'd deal for Randolph unless he's bought out. Then, I'd be happy to take him.

turk3d,

Obviously, if Miami were willing to assume the responsibility of Randolph's deal, Haslem would indeed need to be moved and a point guard would need to come back, as well. However, I just don't see Randolph as a player the Heat should be going after. I think the problems we're seeing in NY would be seen in Miami, as well. I think Randolph and Shaq would have difficulties sharing the post. I don't see it working well.

[gavran]

He's actually a very good distributor.

I saw enough of him this year (I was watching a lot of Heat games earlier the season, because I'm a huge Penny fan) to know that he is NOT. He's actually pretty bad this year.

He is. Much more effecient in his chucking.

Even if he is, he is much more painful to watch. He chucks at a higher percentage, but that doesn't mean he's the better player. He failed to play with a dominant bigman, and often ignored everyone else on the court. Z-Ro is selfish, but Davis isn't better himself.

No, Zach Randolph is due approximately $48 million after both J-Will and Davis expire, hence the aforementioned savings.

We're talking about the Knicks.