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Orlando Trade Breakdown

Change in Team Outlook: +7.4 ppg, +6.8 rpg, and -1.7 apg.

Incoming Players

Francisco Garcia
6-7 SG / SF from Louisville
13.6 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 1.5 apg in 28.6 minutes

Brad Miller
7-0 C from Purdue
14.1 ppg, 8.7 rpg, 3.3 apg in 35.9 minutes

Outgoing Players

Fran Vazquez
0-0 from
No games yet played in 2007/08

J.J. Redick
6-5 SG from Duke
3.4 ppg, 0.3 rpg, 0.4 apg in 8.9 minutes

Keyon Dooling
6-3 PG from Missouri
8.3 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 1.8 apg in 18.9 minutes

Pat Garrity
6-9 PF from Notre Dame
2.3 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.6 apg in 12.5 minutes

Carlos Arroyo
6-2 PG from Florida International
6.3 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 3.7 apg in 18.8 minutes

2009 1st Round Pick

Sacramento Trade Breakdown

Change in Team Outlook: -7.4 ppg, -6.8 rpg, and +1.7 apg.

Incoming Players

Fran Vazquez
0-0 from
No games yet played in 2007/08

J.J. Redick
6-5 SG from Duke
3.4 ppg, 0.3 rpg, 0.4 apg in 8.9 minutes

Keyon Dooling
6-3 PG from Missouri
8.3 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 1.8 apg in 18.9 minutes

Pat Garrity
6-9 PF from Notre Dame
2.3 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.6 apg in 12.5 minutes

Carlos Arroyo
6-2 PG from Florida International
6.3 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 3.7 apg in 18.8 minutes

2009 1st Round Pick

Outgoing Players

Francisco Garcia
6-7 SG / SF from Louisville
13.6 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 1.5 apg in 28.6 minutes

Brad Miller
7-0 C from Purdue
14.1 ppg, 8.7 rpg, 3.3 apg in 35.9 minutes


Why for Orlando: Magic get 2 starters at SG and PF.

Why for Sacto: Sacramento gets a load of expirings for Miller's somewhat ugly contract. Redick comes in as a guy who can score off the bench to soften the blow of losing Garcia,

Take out Garcia and it's fair. But who plays backup PG for the Magic?

That would be nice if we could cut Arroyo or Dooling out, since we'd be left with only Nelson at PG.

Orlando would have to give a first to get both Miller and Garcia.

To bring in Brad Miller, even without Garcia, Id be fine signing a Dleaguer to backup Jameer.

Flash is the Future wrote:Take out Garcia and it's fair. But who plays backup PG for the Magic?

Without Garcia in it, the Magic are just handing you good contracts for a bad one. The deal only works with Garcia.

As far as who plays backup PG? Who cares. Improving at 2 starting positions makes up for getting worse at a backup one. We could sign Darius Washington to play 10 minutes a night off the bench.

DanTown8587 wrote:Orlando would have to give a first to get both Miller and Garcia.

Done.

DanTown8587 wrote:Orlando would have to give a first to get both Miller and Garcia.

...how do you figure that? Kings get a bail-out, and plenty of free cap space. We aren't going to give a free 1st rounder.

... or be willing to take Kenny Thomas with Miller.

While I'd rather not give the pick up. I would be willing to. In all likely hood it will be in the 20's and the Magic's track record with draft picks sucks anyways.

DanTown8587 wrote:Orlando would have to give a first to get both Miller and Garcia.

Orlando would need to give more than a 1st to get Garcia. You'd have to take back Kenny Thomas.

shrink wrote:... or be willing to take Kenny Thomas with Miller.

We aren't running a charity for GM's who overpay average players here in Orlando.

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Orlando would need to give more than a 1st to get Garcia. You'd have to take back Kenny Thomas.

We are already taking back Miller's ugly contract, we aren't taking Thomas' too. If Sacto wants to half assed rebuild while underneath bad contracts be my guest, but if they want a chance to really rebuild then this is a good deal for them.

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Without Garcia in it, the Magic are just handing you good contracts for a bad one. The deal only works with Garcia.

As far as who plays backup PG? Who cares. Improving at 2 starting positions makes up for getting worse at a backup one. We could sign Darius Washington to play 10 minutes a night off the bench.

I'm neutral. I'm a Heat fan. And Miller's actually earned his contract this year. And he's a good fit next to Dwight. And I can tell you that this is a piedream with Garcia in it. Miller's worth expirings+1st by himself.

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I'm neutral. I'm a Heat fan. And Miller's actually earned his contract this year. And he's a good fit next to Dwight. And I can tell you that this is a piedream with Garcia in it. Miller's worth expirings+1st by himself.

Miller is surely not worth that. Miller, despite having a decent year, is hindering Sacramento's ability to rebuild. Sacto would be happy to get out from under his contract because they are going nowhere right now with him. Adding all these expirings makes Sacto a huge player in free agency and allows them to rebuild for real. If they want to be the new Indiana and stay mediocre because they refuse to rebuild unless they get A+ return on their overpriced players then be my guest. While Orlando is obviously getting the better of it on players alone, Sacramento is helped a ton by this trade. If that costs them Garcia, who isn't even a starter when Artest and Martin are healthy then so be it. they would be getting Redick back and have Salmons as well. So losing Garcia doesn't exactly cripple them.

Brad Miller worth expirngs and 1st is a joke.

We'll add 1st with Garcia. Not bringing in Kenny Thomas though.

Sure. So therefore they should just give him away?

Miller is worth expirings at the bare minimum. Period.

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Without Garcia in it, the Magic are just handing you good contracts for a bad one. The deal only works with Garcia.

You forgot to mention those good contracts of yours are a bunch of scrubs that would not do anything for us. Miller ugly contract is averaging ~20/10/5 the last 5 games, 16/10/5 the last 10 games, and 14/9/3 for the season.

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Miller, despite having a decent year, is hindering Sacramento's ability to rebuild. Sacto would be happy to get out from under his contract because they are going nowhere right now with him.

I don't think they're going to trade Brad Miller for expirings, not be so sure they want to do that, because probably it's not true.

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Adding all these expirings makes Sacto a huge player in free agency and allows them to rebuild for real.

Not true, they would be still over the cap for the next years with Thomas, SAR, Bibby and the new contract of Kevin Martin.

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If that costs them Garcia, who isn't even a starter when Artest and Martin are healthy then so be it. they would be getting Redick back and have Salmons as well. So losing Garcia doesn't exactly cripple them.

Looks like you're bashing the players Orlando takes in the deal. Garcia is a solid player from the bench for the Kings, and he is doing a good job as starter.

Expiring Contracts aren't with that much and a late first aren't worth that much

Miller isn't hindering the Kings ability to rebuild. Are young guys are playing well enough trying to gain confidence with Miller there all the same. The Kings aren't going to get rid of everyone all at once like most teams. Thats now how they are rebuilding.

BMillers are best big