Sonics blockbuster with Heat, Cavaliers & Magic

[djthesonicsfan]

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Sonics
Get - D Cook & expirings (A Mourning, J Williams, P Garrity, C Arroyo, I Newble)
Give - K Thomas, W Szczerbiak, E Watson & L Ridnour

First of all the Sonics acquire a young but talented SG. Secondly, they clear salary cap so they have the option to participate in the free agent market. Not sure they will as I'm not seeing the right unrestricted free agents this summer. But who knows what will happen. Luck is when opportunity meets preparation. And third they begin to sincerely define their core group - K Durant, J Green, C Wilcox, D West, R Swift, N Collison, D Cook & next June's PG (D Rose or J Bayless).

Cavaliers
Get - L Ridnour, J Anthony & S Parker
Give - S Brown, D Jones & I Newble

Cavaliers want M Bibby, but that's just never going to happen. L Ridnour is a great fit for them and the next best available PG. In this deal they give up nothing to get him, except for having to take on S Parker. But his deal is much less than D Jones. And they've already essentially severed ties with S Brown.

Heat
Get - W Szczerbiak, E Watson & S Brown
Give - D Cook, A Mourning, J Anthony, J Williams & S Parker

They get a shooter & a defensive PG who can play with D Wade. S Brown makes up for the loss of D Cook. S Parker is finally out of town. The Sonics immediately release A Mourning so he can retire from the Heat.

Magic
Get - D Jones & K Thomas
Give - K Dooling, P Garrity & C Arroyo

The get the tough inside PF they'll need to compete come playoff time as well as another 3pt shooter to spread the floor in exchange for players not significantly contributing this year. K Thomas contract is attractive as T Battie returns next year. D Jones contract expires after next season.

[BBallFreak]

No. Miami needs to rebuild, not trade away expiring deals and a prospect.

[FARMERMAN10]

Sonics give up 3 bad contracts (wally,watson,ridnour) and only give up one legit piece (thomas)?

and get expirings and young talent?

not likely, we will have to give up assets to rid ourselves of Watson and Ridnour at this point.

[Cammo101]

Orlando is not giving away their expirings for 2 bums. This trade made me throw up in my mouth a little.

[loserX]

Orlando is not giving away their expirings for 2 bums. This trade made me throw up in my mouth a little.

You know the KT here is Kurt Thomas, right? Averaging almost 10 RPG in 25 minutes? And expiring himself?

I can see not wanting Damon Jones, but the "bums" here are outgoing.

[DiplomaticMagic]

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You know the KT here is Kurt Thomas, right? Averaging almost 10 RPG in 25 minutes? And expiring himself?

I can see not wanting Damon Jones, but the "bums" here are outgoing.

Ooh, I would've said same thing Cammo said. I thought it was Kenny Thomas. LOl.

[D5150]

yeah, kenny thomas plays for the kings, not the sonics.

[djthesonicsfan]

No. Miami needs to rebuild, not trade away expiring deals and a prospect.

With respect, Miami starting all over is not an option for several reasons...

The Heat have $52M committed salary for 2008/09 (just 7 players) and $52M committed salary for 2009/2010 (just 5 players). The Heat have no real chance of reducing payroll during this period as no one will touch either S O'Neal's or M Blount's contracts.

Shaq's contract expires after the 2009/10 season. Until then there is no realistic hope Heat management can rebuild the roster. However, while Shaq is not the player he once was, still can be a force if surrounded by the right players. The only assets the Heat have are the expiring contracts of J Williams, Zo & R Davis. The better turn those expiring assets into capable players or else they're in the toilet for a while. If the players they get back have contracts ending with Shaq's, so much the better.

D Wade is not going to be content playing on the worst team in the east. He has an opt out after the 2009/10 season so he has leverage. Putting together a winning ballclub just doesn't happen overnight. Not withstanding the Celtics. What makes anyone think Miami will be able to pull off a miracle and provide D Wade a contending team in 2010/11? IMO if Miami doesn't put together a team capable of winning now, while Shaq still has something to deliver, it's a distinct possibility D Wade will leave for greener pastures.

So basically my reply to the Heat is, "got a better trade plan?"

[djthesonicsfan]

Orlando is not giving away their expirings for 2 bums. This trade made me throw up in my mouth a little.

Hey, sorry about that. Next time I'll spell out Kurt Thomas' name.

So, with that clarification, are you still barfing?

[BBallFreak]

Oh hell yes I do!

Buy out Shaq, or trade him to Dallas for a resigned KVH, add a lottery pick this year, and take a whole bunch of cap space into the offseason so we can build around Dwyane Wade...

[Flash is the Future]

I think we should make this clear. The only player on the Sonics we'd consider trading Cook for is West and potentially Wilcox, as Green and Durant are clearly untouchable. Nothing else would be able to fetch Cook from Miami.

[djthesonicsfan]

Sonics give up 3 bad contracts (wally, watson, ridnour) and only give up one legit piece (thomas)? and get expirings and young talent? not likely, we will have to give up assets to rid ourselves of Watson and Ridnour at this point.

Of course I disagree with you on your bad contracts assessment. While I'd agree that L Ridnour & E Watson both are slightly overpaid, they are both decent PGs with value. L Ridnour would be fantastic on the Cavaliers. What makes the deal even better for the Cavaliers is that the they don't really give up anything for him. Contracts wise they're essentially adding another year to D Jones' contact. Except that L Ridnour is a decent PG who will pass the ball instead of singing songs in the locker room about being traded. The combination of W Szczerbiak & E Watson to the Heat makes a ton of sense. And next year, when W Szczerbiak is a 90/50/40 shooter with an expiring $13M contract, Riley will have something to negotiate with for getting D Wade more players.

And the amount of talent we get back in exchange is one young prospect. Not exactly over the top. I know the common complaint is rose colored glasses for the home team guys but I don't think one prospect is too much to ask for what is offered.

[BBallFreak]

And BTW, to add to it, if Miami is making this kind of a trade involving Seattle, and Luke Ridnour gets dealt, why wouldn't we be after him, as opposed to Earl Watson? Ridnour fits the type of point guard we need to perfection. Watson is an awkward fit in comparison..

[djthesonicsfan]

Oh hell yes I do! Buy out Shaq, or trade him to Dallas for a resigned KVH, add a lottery pick this year, and take a whole bunch of cap space into the offseason so we can build around Dwyane Wade...

Buy out Shaq? Typically guys are getting about 90%-95%. That saves ~ $1M or $2M off of your cap. No real help there.

Dallas taking on Shaq's contract? Wow. BBallFreak, with respect, I hate to break it to you, but there's just no way that helps the Maverick's at all. And they're over the luxury tax so Shaq's contract counts double. Just not going to happen.

The lottery pick is coming your way regardless of whether or not you make a trade. No way Miami's getting a sniff of the playoffs this year. Even in the east. And ask the Celtics how tanking helps teams get a higher pick.

All comes back to the same answer. Those expirings have to be translated into capable players who will be on the Heat next season. The only real question is which trade and which players.

[djthesonicsfan]

And BTW, to add to it, if Miami is making this kind of a trade involving Seattle, and Luke Ridnour gets dealt, why wouldn't we be after him, as opposed to Earl Watson? Ridnour fits the type of point guard we need to perfection. Watson is an awkward fit in comparison..

Wouldn't argue the point... The Sonics would deal either one interchangeably I'm sure.

[djthesonicsfan]

I think we should make this clear. The only player on the Sonics we'd consider trading Cook for is West and potentially Wilcox, as Green and Durant are clearly untouchable. Nothing else would be able to fetch Cook from Miami.

Ya, we've had that discussion before. But W Szczerbiak wasn't in the mix... and my trade had S Brown coming your way...

Probably something to work on as the Sonics need a long term SG to fill the hole that'll probably left in the future if/when K Durant & J Green slide over to SF & PF, respectively. Prying away your young, talented SG was half the point of the entire deal.

[BBallFreak]

djthesonicsfan,

I thoroughly disagree with you on all points, but the worst case scenario is we let them all expire and wait out Shaq. I'm for getting a few lottery picks while he sits on our cap for two more seasons. No skin off my nose.

A desperation move makes no sense to me, and this trade is a desperation move.

I want this team rebuilt and done in the appropriate way. That means not making trades that make us mediocre at best, not taking on silly financial commitments, and not trading youth. To me, that is far worse than not cashing in on our expiring deals...

[Flash is the Future]

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I don't think we have to trade the expirings by any means. But, if we trade them it would be helpful to try to take on bad 2-3 year contracts for them with us getting young players/picks as compensation.

Many Dallas fans wouldn't be against KVH+Diop for Shaq, so I'm sure KVH for Shaq would be appealing. It's not their money, but really it'd be Cuban's choice as to whether or not he wants to try to push Dallas over the top.

[Flash is the Future]

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Ya, we've had that discussion before. But W Szczerbiak wasn't in the mix... and my trade had S Brown coming your way...

Probably something to work on as the Sonics need a long term SG to fill the hole that'll probably left in the future if/when K Durant & J Green slide over to SF & PF, respectively. Prying away your young, talented SG was half the point of the entire deal.

As far as I'm concerned, Wally has negative value, and Shannon Brown is not someone that we'd want with Wade on the team.

[Cammo101]

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Ooh, I would've said same thing Cammo said. I thought it was Kenny Thomas. LOl.

So did I. I may actualy do this now.