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LA Outgoing: Kwame Brown, Sasha Vujacic, Javaris Crittenton, lottery protected 2008 1st
LA Incoming: Ron Artest, Shareef Abdur Rahim

Why for LA: A defensive tandem of Kobe and Artest will be capable of locking down any perimeter scorer. 5 more than capable scorers in Fisher, Kobe, Artest, Odom, and Bynum will be a terror to defend.

Sac Outgoing: Ron Artest, Shareef Abdur Rahim
Sac Incoming: Kwame Brown, Sasha Vujacic, Javaris Crittenton, lottery protected 2008 1st

Why for Sac: They shed over 12 million in salary, and gain two decent prospects in the pick and Crittenton.

Farmar may be an idea to substitute for Crittenton, or the 2008 1st.

Thoughts?

Kings don't want to help the Lakers.

Patterns wrote:Kings don't want to help the Lakers.

My premise is that the Kings have given up the ghost and want to rebuild. So I think they would, especially in a trade that they come out really well in.

BrooklynBulls wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



My premise is that the Kings have given up the ghost and want to rebuild. So I think they would, especially in a trade that they come out really well in.

No we wouldn't. With the way the Lakers are playing right now, Ron could very well make them legitimate contenders, and that would really piss off the Kings fan base, especially the package we get back is kinda "meh".

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No we wouldn't. With the way the Lakers are playing right now, Ron could very well make them legitimate contenders, and that would really piss off the Kings fan base, especially the package we get back is kinda "meh".

I had no idea that the rivalry was great enough to preclude you guys making a trade that genuinely improves the future outlook of the team. I figured that if you guys went for this trade, and moved Bibby for expirings/picks (or maybe Mller), you could become big free agent players, and possibly land a J. Smith or an Okafor.

Change Rahim with K9 and you got yourself a deal.

BrooklynBulls wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



I had no idea that the rivalry was great enough to preclude you guys making a trade that genuinely improves the future outlook of the team. I figured that if you guys went for this trade, and moved Bibby for expirings/picks (or maybe Mller), you could become big free agent players, and possibly land a J. Smith or an Okafor.

It's pretty much a one sided rivalry. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite the face...

BrooklynBulls wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



I had no idea that the rivalry was great enough to preclude you guys making a trade that genuinely improves the future outlook of the team. I figured that if you guys went for this trade, and moved Bibby for expirings/picks (or maybe Mller), you could become big free agent players, and possibly land a J. Smith or an Okafor.

If the trade benefits us, the rivalry would not get in the way. But giving up Artest and getting that package in return isn't that great of a trade and not to mention we are in the same division and a Kobe/Artest/Bynum/Odom led team would make them the favorites imo.

Artest93 wrote:Change Rahim with K9 and you got yourself a deal.

This change would make the deal closer.

BrooklynBulls wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



I had no idea that the rivalry was great enough to preclude you guys making a trade that genuinely improves the future outlook of the team. I figured that if you guys went for this trade, and moved Bibby for expirings/picks (or maybe Mller), you could become big free agent players, and possibly land a J. Smith or an Okafor.

any team that takes on kwame is taking a step back not improving their team

Kings dont do this even if you switched out SAR with K9. Kings fans are undervaluing Artest because of how Salmons has been playing.

Switching Rahim out for K9 is an option, but I don't think the Lakers will take him on because of how much more expensive than Rahim he is. However, its a consideration.

My entire proposal rests on the idea that Sacramento should scrap their team, and rebuild around Martin, Garcia, Udrih, Hawes, etc. That means getting rid of ALL their long-term contracts in order to save money and splurge on a bigname FA. I think this LA trade, with Kwame and Vujacic expiring, and young prospects included, does that pretty well. I don't see demand for Artest anywhere else, with Miami and NY out of the playoff hunt.

Kings fans, how would you feel if I included Kenny Thomas instead of Rahim, and Farmar instead of that 08 1st?

U-Borat wrote:^^No.
That would leave us with Fisher/Vujacic at PG.
No thanks.

Yeah, I figured out that problem while working on the trade, thats why he wasn't included in the deal. However, Quincy Douby could possibly be included in the deal to back up the PG, and if not, perhaps Boykins or even Payton would be interested.

Lakers will take Kenny instead of Rahim, who is out for the season

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No we wouldn't. With the way the Lakers are playing right now, Ron could very well make them legitimate contenders, and that would really piss off the Kings fan base, especially the package we get back is kinda "meh".

this package is as much "meh" as all of those deals smills offerred last year with bynum as a filler...

the lakers are actually as high on critt as a guard - as they were on bynum as a center.

so much so in fact that they would never do this deal - although i personlay would cause i'm a huge artest fan.

and still, i'm not completely pissed the lakers would pass this up, because if the lakers have earned anything - it's for their evaluation of raw young talent to be taken VERY seriously.

bottom line - i'm betting that if this was to happen (and it's not - much to my disappointment), what the kings would be getting is a FAR more than a "meh"...
more like a player you'll be absolutly extatic about in a year or two, and will come back to haunt the lakers for years.

I'd do Artest/KT for Kwame/Farmar/1st, yeah. With the other modifications, I'd have to think, but I'm certainly not too adverse because of the rivalry---although I wouldn't be surprised if the Maloofs are.

I agree that it's time for the Kings to rebuild. This talk of a late playoff run, while what you expect from the team, is really just spin. I realize that Bibby, Martin, and Artest come back and replace players who have been doing a good job already in Udrih, Salmons, Martin.

The time has come to blow things up, but you still have to get good value for your veterans. I'm all for dealing with the Lakers, even if they get better this year, if it means we're better for the next 10 years or so overall. But they do have Bynum, so we'll have to see how Hawes turns out

I'm going complete homer here (general Kings fan attitude). If we're trading Ron to the Lakers with the idea that they become a contender then they take on BOTH K9 AND SAR or forget it. Anything less and they can sit and rot as an also-ran from now until Kobe retires as far as I'm concerned.

And honestly, I feel that the average Sac fan probably feels the same way about dealing with the Lakers. You want to contend, you take on the crap and free us up completely to move Bibby on his own (a doable deal without K9 hanging on him) and then build with the young guys, picks and $$$.

For Artest...hell NO. For Bibby okay. I don't think Petrie nor the Maloofs are as actively looking to deal Ron-Ron as the media might hype it up as. Bibby, I really do think they're looking to move, ESPECIALLY after having picked up Beno.

A bibby/thomas for Kwame/Crittenton/Mihm/Ariza/Vujajcic works
I'll even let you keep your pick(sense it'll be in the 20's after you get Bibby)

Kings would waive Vujajcic and Kwame(since a) he sucks, b) he's expiring, c) it's so close to the trade deadline that he's useless for future trade filler). Kwame and Sasha can go re-sign with the Lakers by March 1st to meet the playoff deadline, since it takes 30 days to re-sign someone after having been dealt).

Kings roster:

C: Brad Miller, Spencer Hawes, Chris Mihm
PF: Mikki Moore, Justin Williams, SAR
SF: Ron Artest, Francisco Garcia, Trevor Ariza
SG: Kevin Martin, John Salmons, Dahntay Jones
PG: Beno Udrih, Quincy Douby, Javaris Crittenton

This trade basically amounts to: Bibby for Crittenton and a Thomas dump.

Lakers roster:
C: Andrew Bynum, Kwame Brown, Ronny Turiaf
PF: Lamar Odom, Kenny Thomas
SF: Luke Walton, Vladmir Radmanovic
SG: Kobe Bryant, Derek Fisher, Coby Karl
PG: Mike Bibby, Jordan Farmar, Sasha Vujacic

Why do I even read Lakers/Kings threads?

They can start with a reasonable proposal, but fans of both teams will spin them wildly out of balance.

The Lakers are high on Crit? For their third PG? Because we have often been told they are high on Farmar too. And Bynum of course, has papal infallability.

And taking both KT and SAR? At least OG has the good humor to point out the homerishness of it -- and the typical SAc fans.

shrink wrote:Why do I even read Lakers/Kings threads?

They can start with a reasonable proposal, but fans of both teams will spin them wildly out of balance.

Dealing with the Lakers is like dealing with the devil...you think you got a good deal going, then you realize you're playing roulette with your soul. It's best just to avoid them altogether.