Sacramento - Indiana - NY Knicks

[Smills91]

Kings deal:
Mike Bibby

Kings receive:
Jeff Foster
Mardy Collins
Fred Jones(waived)
top 10 protected 1st rounder from Indiana

Pacers deal:
Jeff Foster
Jamaal Tinsley
Top 10 protected 1st rounder 2008

Pacers receive:
Mike Bibby
Randolph Morris

Knicks deal:
Fred Jones
Mardy Collins
Randolph Morris

Knicks receive:
Jamaal Tinsley

Kings start the first move towards a rebuild

Pacers upgrade PG position and unload Tinsley

Knicks get insurance for an unstable Marbury while acquiring Tinsley 'on the cheap'.

Kings:
C: Brad Miller, Jeff Foster, Spencer Hawes
PF: Mikki Moore, Justin Williams, Kenny Thomas, SAR
SF: Ron Artest, Francisco Garcia
SG: Kevin Martin, John Salmons, Dahntay Jones
PF: Beno Udrih, Quincy Douby, Mardy Collins

Pacers:
C: Jermaine O'Neal, David Harrison, Randolph Morris
PF: Danny Granger, Troy Murphy, Ike Diogu
SF: Mike Dunleavy, Shawne Williams
SG: Marquis Daniels, Kareem Rush, Stephen Graham
PG: Mike Bibby, Travis Diener, Andre Owens

Knicks:
C: Eddy Curry, Jerome James
PF: Zach Randolph, David Lee, Malik Rose
SF: Quentin Richardson, Renaldo Balkman, Wilson Chandler
SG: Jamal Crawford, Jared Jeffries
PG: Jamaal Tinsley, Nate Robinson, Stephon Marbury

[ecuhus1981]

If I were NYK, I wouldn't trade away youth and an expiring for ANOTHER injury-prone contract ending in 2011, favorite son or not.

I could see SAC getting Harrison for that deal, but not Foster. Also, Jamaal's distributing very well this year for their offense, something Bibby has proven unwilling to do.

Not bad, Smills, but somehow you always seem to oversweeten it for the Kings. It's a gift, really.

[Pacersike]

It is a gift.
Foster, Jamaal and a first for Bibby would be a first too much
(can we even deal the pick?) and on top of that you involve NY and make it even sweeter for Sacramento by ditching Tinsley's contract on them and getting Collins out of it.

[spree8]

Make it stop

[Scoot McGroot]

It's not awful for Indy, but I do think it's paying a premium for Bibby, almost as if he were healthy and playing well already this year.


If the 1st rounder were much more heavily protected, I could get behind this deal. Maybe top 18 protected this year, lotto protected next year, top 10 protected 2010, top 6 protected 2011, top 3 protected 2012, and then completely unprotected in 2013. That takes away a lot of value for Sacramento and means they might have to wait 2 or 3 years for the pick, but it also means that Indy isn't paying a top 4 pick next year, Jeff Foster, and Tinsley for Bibby.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

I pass.

[#1knickfan]

I wouldn't make this deal. I don't think Tinsley is worth all that much considering how little he'd help us turn things around and how long his deal is.

[Oomph]

I know my offer of Tinsley/Foster for Bibby a few moths ago was being laughed at by Kings fans, so I'm surprised that package is good enough to land Bibby at this point.

As a Pacers fan I think I have to do it, pair Bibby woth JO and hope Mike will get back to his old playing days. Pacers desperately need a guy who can take (and make!) the crunch time shots and Bibby has proven to be that guy.

[CableKC]

If I were NYK, I wouldn't trade away youth and an expiring for ANOTHER injury-prone contract ending in 2011, favorite son or not.

I could see SAC getting Harrison for that deal, but not Foster. Also, Jamaal's distributing very well this year for their offense, something Bibby has proven unwilling to do.

Not bad, Smills, but somehow you always seem to oversweeten it for the Kings. It's a gift, really.

The only player for the Knicks that they care about would possibly be Mardy Collins and he's playing behind Nate Robinson in the PG rotation as a 3rd string PG.

In terms of value......the Knicks trade away ( what I would consider ) little to get alot. But in terms of $$$...you are right.....Tinsley's contract is bad.

[CableKC]

Kings deal:
Mike Bibby

Kings receive:
Jeff Foster
Mardy Collins
Fred Jones(waived)
top 10 protected 1st rounder from Indiana

Pacers deal:
Jeff Foster
Jamaal Tinsley
Top 10 protected 1st rounder 2008

Pacers receive:
Mike Bibby
Randolph Morris

Knicks deal:
Fred Jones
Mardy Collins
Randolph Morris

Knicks receive:
Jamaal Tinsley

Kings start the first move towards a rebuild

Pacers upgrade PG position and unload Tinsley

Knicks get insurance for an unstable Marbury while acquiring Tinsley 'on the cheap'.

Kings:
C: Brad Miller, Jeff Foster, Spencer Hawes
PF: Mikki Moore, Justin Williams, Kenny Thomas, SAR
SF: Ron Artest, Francisco Garcia
SG: Kevin Martin, John Salmons, Dahntay Jones
PF: Beno Udrih, Quincy Douby, Mardy Collins

Pacers:
C: Jermaine O'Neal, David Harrison, Randolph Morris
PF: Danny Granger, Troy Murphy, Ike Diogu
SF: Mike Dunleavy, Shawne Williams
SG: Marquis Daniels, Kareem Rush, Stephen Graham
PG: Mike Bibby, Travis Diener, Andre Owens

Knicks:
C: Eddy Curry, Jerome James
PF: Zach Randolph, David Lee, Malik Rose
SF: Quentin Richardson, Renaldo Balkman, Wilson Chandler
SG: Jamal Crawford, Jared Jeffries
PG: Jamaal Tinsley, Nate Robinson, Stephon Marbury

I'm in agreement with Scoot......I don't think the 2008/2009 1st round pick can be traded....and since I am of the belief that we will be rebuilding ( cuz we have no choice ) within before the start of the 2009/2010 season....I don't want to trade away any draft picks anymore.

But my question is whether you are interested in the Pacers 1st round pick....rather then Foster. I am guessing that the Knigs are intersted in the 1st round pick...which could very well be a lottery pick in the coming years.

Ignoring that I do not think that the Knicks would trade for Tinsley and that Bird has said that he isn't going to trade 1st round picks anymore.....I would reluctantly consider trading Tinsley and Foster for Bibby IF it did not cost us the 1st round pick.

[Smills91]

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I'm in agreement with Scoot......I don't think the 2008/2009 1st round pick can be traded....and since I am of the belief that we will be rebuilding ( cuz we have no choice ) within before the start of the 2009/2010 season....I don't want to trade away any draft picks anymore.

But my question is whether you are interested in the Pacers 1st round pick....rather then Foster. I am guessing that the Knigs are intersted in the 1st round pick...which could very well be a lottery pick in the coming years.

Ignoring that I do not think that the Knicks would trade for Tinsley and that Bird has said that he isn't going to trade 1st round picks anymore.....I would reluctantly consider trading Tinsley and Foster for Bibby IF it did not cost us the 1st round pick.

Would you do it if it included Ike instead of the pick?

[CableKC]

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Would you do it if it included Ike instead of the pick?

Maybe. Some Pacer fans don't think that Ike would fit on the offense that JO'B is running....so they may consider it.

I still want to give Ike a chance to see if he pans out in the offense that we are trying to run. This doesn't mean that Ike isn't good or anything....I'm just not sure if he fits on the Pacers offense or not.

Also....it's unclear to me whether Foster ( who I think fits what the Pacers are trying to do with Jim O'Brien ) will opt out or not. I have a feeling that he will.

Assuming that Bibby is still a King in the offseason....ask me whether I would do this trade again.

[moocow007]

Oh good lord what on earth does NY want Jamaal Tinsley for? The true Tinsley is rearing his ugly head. That's why the rumors about Indy looking to dump him is coming from isn't it? And if Tinsley's not going to work for Indy, why would he work for NY.

A 1st round pick to Sacramento? That 1st rounder should be going to NY for taking Tinsley's salary off of the Pacers hands. Come to think of it, both Indy and Sacramento can send their 1st rounders to NY (top 10 protected this year, unprotected next year) for taking Tinsley and facilitating this trade.

If Isiah Thomas is looking to bring one of his "boys" into the fold, he can just wait until Damon Stoudamire (his own "draft baby") is bought out and sign him to a vet minimum without having to take on Tinsley's awful contract.

[gswhoops]

^ Agree with moo, this trade in its current state is unbelievably awful for NY.

Sacto is getting a good role playing C, a prospect and a nice pick for the injured (and frankly, declining before that) Bibby? That's when you know something's whack.

[Smills91]

1 year doth not make a decline...especially during an injury riddled year.

Bibby's had 8 other seasons of INCLINE previously.

[KF10]

1 year doth not make a decline...especially during an injury riddled year.

Bibby's had 8 other seasons of INCLINE previously.

Yeah, I just dont get that....Last year he played through the injury thus low %s and etc...This year he is taking the safe side to recover of ALL of his injuries...

[Scoot McGroot]

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Yeah, I just dont get that....Last year he played through the injury thus low %s and etc...This year he is taking the safe side to recover of ALL of his injuries...

Well, now you know how Indy fans feel when people just announce all "whilly-nilly" that JO is completely declined.

[KF10]

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Well, now you know how Indy fans feel when people just announce all "whilly-nilly" that JO is completely declined.

Umm, you just cant compare JO to Bibby's situation... There is variables that completely change the situation...

[Scoot McGroot]

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Umm, you just cant compare JO to Bibby's situation... There is variables that completely change the situation...

Really? I mean, JO was a dominant big, and still has had about the same level of production most every year of his career. The 2nd half of last year, he came down injured, and played through. He missed games at the beginning of the year, and everyone claimed he was now a bad contract and not even worth Kwame Brown (hehe).



Bibby was a bottom end of the top 10 type PG who was pretty consistent and then dropped off the face of the earth due to injury. Now, he's having to take a lot of time to rehab. Other than the fact that JO was a dominant type player that originally held more value and Bibby has a friendlier contract, what's the difference?

[KF10]

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Really? I mean, JO was a dominant big, and still has had about the same level of production most every year of his career. The 2nd half of last year, he came down injured, and played through. He missed games at the beginning of the year, and everyone claimed he was now a bad contract and not even worth Kwame Brown (hehe).



Bibby was a bottom end of the top 10 type PG who was pretty consistent and then dropped off the face of the earth due to injury. Now, he's having to take a lot of time to rehab. Other than the fact that JO was a dominant type player that originally held more value and Bibby has a friendlier contract, what's the difference?

JO is CHRONICALLY injured contrast to Bibby's nearly iron man status.... Bibby has a chance to regain and progress into his prime unlike JO...(Maybe JO could be hellva better if he stop shooting Js) I like JO but he needs to prove himself that he was the dominant player he was...