CLE/SAC - Sounds like the Kings like the Cavs' package

[LeQuitterNotMVP]

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/50293/20080114/kings_want_haslem_for_bibby/

One NBA official in contact with the Kings said they have indicated privately they would like to move Mike Bibby, and that Miami and Cleveland have shown an interest.

But another executive believes Cleveland could offer a better package, especially with the Heat reluctant to include Udonis Haslem.

My guess:

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Sacramento Kings

Incoming Players
Ira Newble
Salary: $3,441,900 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 3.9 REB: 2.4 AST: 0.2 PER: 11.29

Eric Snow
Salary: $6,703,125 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 0.9 REB: 0.9 AST: 1.8 PER: 4.05

Cedric Simmons
Salary: $1,629,120 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 0.5 REB: 2.8 AST: 0.0 PER: 1.48

Donyell Marshall
Salary: $5,566,965 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 2.5 REB: 1.0 AST: 1.0 PER: 7.16

Damon Jones
Salary: $4,172,432 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 5.6 REB: 1.0 AST: 1.6 PER: 9.26

2008 #1 (lotto protected)

Outgoing Players: Mikki Moore, Kenny Thomas, Mike BibbyCleveland Cavaliers

Incoming Players
Mikki Moore
Salary: $5,356,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 8.1 REB: 6.1 AST: 0.8 PER: 10.43

Kenny Thomas
Salary: $7,875,000 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 1.4 REB: 2.7 AST: 0.6 PER: 2.73

Mike Bibby
Salary: $13,500,000 Years Remaining: 2


Outgoing Players: Ira Newble, Eric Snow, Cedric Simmons, Donyell Marshall, Damon Jones, 2008 #1 (lotto protected)

Kings could cut Dahntay Jones before the deal, who would sign with the Cavs

Cavs:

Bibby/Gibson
Hughes/Brown/Brown
James/Pavlovic/Jones
Gooden/Varejao/Thomas
Ilgauskas/Moore/Jones

Kings:

Udrih/Douby/Snow
Martin/Salmons/Jones
Artest/Garcia/Newble
Hawes/Simmons/Marshall
Miller/Williams/Abdur-Rahim

Any other guesses?

[Bac2Basics]

[LeQuitterNotMVP]

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You shave a lot of salary, and Moore is more useful on a contending team like the Cavs than a rebuilding team like the Kings.

[Smills91]

If the Cavs package is better than the Heat's package because of Udonis Haslem not being included, that leads me to believe that Drew Gooden and/or Anderson Varejao is somehow involved in the deal from Cleveland's vantage point.

[loserX]

If the Cavs package is better than the Heat's package because of Udonis Haslem not being included, that leads me to believe that Drew Gooden and/or Anderson Varejao is somehow involved in the deal from Cleveland's vantage point.

Agreed. Remember though that Varejao cannot be traded until the off-season because he signed so late, so if it's one of those two, it's going to be Gooden.

I don't know that it'll be Gooden AND a 1st AND taking KT, though...seems like a lot. My guess is one of the latter elements comes out, but I might very well be wrong.

[Smills91]

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Agreed. Remember though that Varejao cannot be traded until the off-season because he signed so late, so if it's one of those two, it's going to be Gooden.

I don't know that it'll be Gooden AND a 1st AND taking KT, though...seems like a lot. My guess is one of the latter elements comes out, but I might very well be wrong.

If a trade occurs, I'll guarantee those three parts will be involved.

[Smooth32]

The only trade straight up I could see is:

Eric Snow
Ira Newble
Shannon Brown
Drew Gooden
Future 2nd

for

Kenny Thomas
Mike Bibby

[pillwenney]

I missed the part where it said that the Kings like the Cavs' package. It said the Kings were interested in trading Mike (nothing new really) and that some other executive opined that Cleveland had the better offer. That really doesn't indicate at all that the Kings liked it.

[LeQuitterNotMVP]

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If a trade occurs, I'll guarantee those three parts will be involved.

OK...

[Smooth32]

I missed the part where it said that the Kings like the Cavs' package. It said the Kings were interested in trading Mike (nothing new really) and that some other executive opined that Cleveland had the better offer. That really doesn't indicate at all that the Kings liked it.

Well a package of Drew Gooden, Ira Newble and Damon Jones almost got it done over the summer, so...

[Smills91]

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Well a package of Drew Gooden, Ira Newble and Damon Jones almost got it done over the summer, so...

The addition of a 1st round pick very well might get it done now then.

[sackings916]

The Kings want to move Bibby to save money, not because they like what the Cavs have to offer. If no other team can put together a better package I can see Bibby and KT for a 1st,Gooden,Newble(expiring) with Snow and Marshall as fillers who expire next year.

[LeQuitterNotMVP]

The Kings want to move Bibby to save money, not because they like what the Cavs have to offer. If no other team can put together a better package I can see Bibby and KT for a 1st,Gooden,Newble(expiring) with Snow and Marshall as fillers who expire next year.

We're not going to trade our starting PF, take on a bad contract, and give away a 1st for Bibby.

[hermes]

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You shave a lot of salary, and Moore is more useful on a contending team like the Cavs than a rebuilding team like the Kings.

not a bad trade from that standpoint

[pillwenney]

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Well a package of Drew Gooden, Ira Newble and Damon Jones almost got it done over the summer, so...

How does a trade "almost" happen? Isn't the end result still that the Kings wouldn't accept that package?

Regardless, that wasn't my point. My point was the article indicates nothing in the way of the Kings being interested in the Cavs' package.

[Smooth32]

How does a trade "almost" happen? Isn't the end result still that the Kings wouldn't accept that package?

Regardless, that wasn't my point. My point was the article indicates nothing in the way of the Kings being interested in the Cavs' package.

No it was Ferry's unwillingness to take on Jackie Butler's contract:

He might have erred last summer when they could have gotten Bibby for Drew Gooden and Damon Jones. Sources say he balked when he had to take center Jackie Butler's contract ($2.4 million this year, $2.6 million next year). Talented power forward Luis Scola would have also come from the Spurs. Heck, he could have been the Cavs' starting power forward.

The Rockets took both players and then waived Butler, who is now a free agent.

It would have meant the Cavs had to pay more luxury tax this year, but they would have landed a talented 6-9 forward with a great scoring touch.

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?n...id=46370&rfi=6

It's been reported by numerous media outlets, so don't think it's the only one...

My point is that I don't see how the Kings aren't considering what "almost" went down...

[sackings916]

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We're not going to trade our starting PF, take on a bad contract, and give away a 1st for Bibby.

Your starting PF is really not that good and that 1st is most likely a mid to late pick.

Kings are better off letting Bibby expire than take that package.

[loserX]

Your starting PF is really not that good and that 1st is most likely a mid to late pick.

Kings are better off letting Bibby expire than take that package.

No, they aren't. "Just letting him expire"? Gooden expires the same year, so the finances are the same, and this way you get a pick too. If you think you're better off trying to get more value, that's fine...but just "letting him expire" is not better.

[Smooth32]

Your starting PF is really not that good and that 1st is most likely a mid to late pick.

Doesn't matter, we need some draft picks badly as we've had two in the last 3 years, I believe...

Kings are better off letting Bibby expire than take that package.

Well I really doubt that Bibby takes the Kings to a championship in that team... No offense, but, why not get some different guys in there and see what they could do? Granted Gooden could turn into a pretty solid player, it's not like your forced to take on longer contracts since Gooden and Jones expire the same year as Bibby, so it's not like you'll lose that...

[Smills91]

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Well I really doubt that Bibby takes the Kings to a championship in that team... No offense, but, why not get some different guys in there and see what they could do? Granted Gooden could turn into a pretty solid player, it's not like your forced to take on longer contracts since Gooden and Jones expire the same year as Bibby, so it's not like you'll lose that...

And I really doubt Gooden helps the Cavs or any other team 'rebuild'. What's your point here? The fact is trading talents stars for aggregate talents and filler contracts is just dumb...history shows that and you're arguing against it for the sake of the betterment of your team.