Por/NYK

[The Fish]

Portland Trades: Raef Lafrentz, Darius Miles, Taurean Green, Right to Joel Freeland, Rights to Pietri Kopponen. 09 1st lottery protected, 08 2nd round pick

Portland receives: Stephon Marbury, Malik Rose

Knicks Trade: Stephon Marbury, Malik Rose

Knicks receive: Raef Lafrentz, Darius Miles, Taurean Green, Right to Joel Freeland, Rights to Pietri Kopponen. 09 1st lottery protected, 08 2nd round pick


Why For Portland: They shed The contract of miles which open up huge amounts of cap space in thier targer year of 09 and they clear up roster space.

Why for Knicks: They gain quite a bit of young talent and a draft pick to help them rebuild. Taking on miles is a risk but one that is worth all the young talent. Raef Lafrentz adds a tough defensive presence and can knock down the outside shot to help spread the floor on offense. Taurean Green plays good defence and is a very good 3 point shooter in practice ( though his numbers dont show anything as he gets no burn)

[DeezXXnutZ]

I swear I just repled to another post with Marburys worthless *** being traded to the Blazers earlier today...Why are you Knick fans not understanding that we don't want Marbury and his 20 Million plus contract...We can't trade him as an expiring and we definetly won't play him so this leaves us only to buy him out..It makes no sense from are end plus you want all sorts of prospects and 1st rounders...

How about you buy him out and we'll make a Miles for Rose trade.....

[bringinhinkie]

I swear I just repled to another post with Marburys worthless *** being traded to the Blazers earlier today...Why are you Knick fans not understanding that we don't want Marbury and his 20 Million plus contract...We can't trade him as an expiring and we definetly won't play him so this leaves us only to buy him out..It makes no sense from are end plus you want all sorts of prospects and 1st rounders...

How about you buy him out and we'll make a Miles for Rose trade.....

hes not a knick fan, quit generalizing you ass

[DeezXXnutZ]

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hes not a knick fan, quit generalizing you ass

Don't get butt hurt buddy...I'm just getting annoyed that I see the same crappy trades involving all our young talent getting traded to get rid of Miles...Oh well its not the end of the world and I probably am being rude and I'm not meaning to be....

The funniest part of it is that Miles would probably start on the Knicks....

[chek12]

Blazer fans are getting pretty conceded right before our eyes. Why in the world would a paycheck stealing, 2 yr injured bum start on the Knicks? Quit it with that BS nonsense.

The only reason Marbury would be involved in a trade is effectively as an expiring contract. A $20 million expiring chip has great value in the NBA. What you Blazer fans have offered multiple times now is not even close to reaching that. The Knicks aren't there to help rebuild your team. They took on a huge mistake in Randolph - don't get used to it - not gonna happen again.

Furthermore, if the Knicks trade the expiring chip, it will most likely be used to acquire a washed up all star - thats Isiah's way of thinking which unfortunately matters most.

[Billy]

Take it down a notch please DeezXXnutZ.

To me, I just don't see why Portland has to dump Miles right now and such a high cost.

Right now there is debate of whether he'll ever come back and play. That's a big ding there, as no one wants to pay 30 million to a guy who will never suit up.

Secondly there is debate about his locker room attitude. No one wants to bring in a guy who will just pout, so Portland would have to pay extra for that.

Lastly, having 3 years left on his deal is another dinger Portland would have to pay for right now.

But the thing is, Portland doesn't need their cap space NEXT off season, but rather the one after that. Miles' value really can't get any lower. If he comes back and is able to play--that will bump up his value somewhat. If he shows he's a good teammate, that will help some too.

On the flip side, if he can't make it back, he can retire and that helps Portland.

Right now I see no point for Portland to give up a bunch of youth or picks just to be rid of him. His value should be at least slightly better in a year when if nothing else he has one less year on his deal.

[deadfeather]

Take it down a notch please DeezXXnutZ.

To me, I just don't see why Portland has to dump Miles right now and such a high cost.

Right now there is debate of whether he'll ever come back and play. That's a big ding there, as no one wants to pay 30 million to a guy who will never suit up.

Secondly there is debate about his locker room attitude. No one wants to bring in a guy who will just pout, so Portland would have to pay extra for that.

Lastly, having 3 years left on his deal is another dinger Portland would have to pay for right now.

But the thing is, Portland doesn't need their cap space NEXT off season, but rather the one after that. Miles' value really can't get any lower. If he comes back and is able to play--that will bump up his value somewhat. If he shows he's a good teammate, that will help some too.

On the flip side, if he can't make it back, he can retire and that helps Portland.

Right now I see no point for Portland to give up a bunch of youth or picks just to be rid of him. His value should be at least slightly better in a year when if nothing else he has one less year on his deal.

Yeah, they can definatly get a McGrady type player for Marbury...

[DeezXXnutZ]

Take it down a notch please DeezXXnutZ.

I tried to apologise if I came off too harsh towards Knick fans on here ..But at the same time I'm not going to let up on the subject of taking on Marburys worthless contract...

You guys can keep him and we'll keep our worthless Miles for the next year or so..Next year Miles we'll be a near expiring contract and his contract alone will make his value go up...

[DeezXXnutZ]

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Yeah, they can definatly get a McGrady type player for Marbury...

Or maybe even Kobe if they play their cards right...

[#1knickfan]

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I tried to apologise if I came off too harsh towards Knicks fans on here ..But at the same time I'm not going to let up on the subject of taking on Marburys worthless contract...

You guys can keep him and we'll keep our worthless Miles for the next year or so..Next year Miles we'll be a near expiring contract and his contract alone will make his value go up...

I know people complain about how harsh I get sometimes so I apologize if I do. ..But at the same time I'm not going to let up on the subject of taking on Miles worthless contract...

You guys can keep him and we'll keep our worthless Marbury for the next year or so..Next year Marbury will be an expiring contract and his contract alone will make his value go up

[DeezXXnutZ]

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I know people complain about how harsh I get sometimes so I apologize if I do. ..But at the same time I'm not going to let up on the subject of taking on Miles worthless contract...

You guys can keep him and we'll keep our worthless Marbury for the next year or so..Next year Marbury will be an expiring contract and his contract alone will make his value go up

I couldn't have said it any better myself....

[#1knickfan]

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I couldn't have said it any better myself....

[hermes]

portland isn't in that big of a rush to get rid of miles

[Wizenheimer]

I replied to the other thread before I saw this one, and thought I'd add my 2 cents here as well.

First of all, about the value of expiring contracts: it's overstated a bit I think. As a blazer fan I'd hope that portland might get something for lafrentz when his is an expiring contract. However, at 12.8 million it is almost certainly too big a contract to move unless it was part of a 'blockbuster' trade and I doubt the blazers will be doing that kind of trade for a number of years. Marbury's 20 million + contract will be next to impossible to move, without it being accompanied by 2 or 3 very desirable players, and frankly, NY doesn't have them.

What might make Portland and NY work out a trade here, is that both teams have real smelly contracts on players they don't want. For different reasons, they might be willing to clean each other's gutters (sorry raef, darius, and steph).

The first 2 years of the lafrentz and miles contracts are about the same as Marbury's so no advantage for either team there. Portland has no use for Marbury and almost certainly wouldn't bring him to the team. On the other hand, Miles is practicing full court now, and it's quite possible that he can be contributing to a team in a few weeks, and may actually contribute in NY. So there may be an advantage for NY a bit in 'talent'.

If the concern is the 9 million dollars owed to Miles in his 3rd season, then portland may be able to address that by modifying the original trade and adding another secondary one:

trade 1: lafrentz, miles, and 3 million cash for marbury

trade 2: 1 of portland's 2008 2nd round picks and 3 million cash for NY's 2010 2nd round pick.

is that any better?

[moocow007]

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I tried to apologise if I came off too harsh towards Knick fans on here ..But at the same time I'm not going to let up on the subject of taking on Marburys worthless contract...

You guys can keep him and we'll keep our worthless Miles for the next year or so..Next year Miles we'll be a near expiring contract and his contract alone will make his value go up...

When did you try to apologize? You've made the same insulting generalization twice already in two threads and I don't see one "I apologize".

Both trade proposals were made by Blazers fans.

And the reason is to free up Miles $9 million off the cap for the 2009 free agent class where, theoretically, the goal would be to go after one of the big time players to go with what they already have and really thrust them into elite status.

And as far as keeping the useless peices...go preach that on the Portland board cause Knick fans aren't proposing these deals.

[moocow007]

I replied to the other thread before I saw this one, and thought I'd add my 2 cents here as well.

First of all, about the value of expiring contracts: it's overstated a bit I think. As a blazer fan I'd hope that portland might get something for lafrentz when his is an expiring contract. However, at 12.8 million it is almost certainly too big a contract to move unless it was part of a 'blockbuster' trade and I doubt the blazers will be doing that kind of trade for a number of years. Marbury's 20 million + contract will be next to impossible to move, without it being accompanied by 2 or 3 very desirable players, and frankly, NY doesn't have them.

What might make Portland and NY work out a trade here, is that both teams have real smelly contracts on players they don't want. For different reasons, they might be willing to clean each other's gutters (sorry raef, darius, and steph).

The first 2 years of the lafrentz and miles contracts are about the same as Marbury's so no advantage for either team there. Portland has no use for Marbury and almost certainly wouldn't bring him to the team. On the other hand, Miles is practicing full court now, and it's quite possible that he can be contributing to a team in a few weeks, and may actually contribute in NY. So there may be an advantage for NY a bit in 'talent'.

If the concern is the 9 million dollars owed to Miles in his 3rd season, then portland may be able to address that by modifying the original trade and adding another secondary one:

trade 1: lafrentz, miles, and 3 million cash for marbury

trade 2: 1 of portland's 2008 2nd round picks and 3 million cash for NY's 2010 2nd round pick.

is that any better?

NY does NOT need another guy that will chuck up shots, play selfish, not play in team environment and can't defend. I mean honestly, Curry, Randolph and Miles in the front court is just ridiculous.

[DeezXXnutZ]

Oh well its not the end of the world and I probably am being rude and I'm not meaning to be....

I guess it wasn't an all out apology..It was more like a didn't mean to be rude if I was...I wasn't just talking about Knick fans..I've seen these horrible trades involving Orlando and Miami also trying to get Jack and Frye or Outlaw just to take on big bad Miles..

We have twp years too dump him, its not that important to do it when it costs us an arm and a leg to do, that was my point...

[Wizenheimer]

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NY does NOT need another guy that will chuck up shots, play selfish, not play in team environment and can't defend. I mean honestly, Curry, Randolph and Miles in the front court is just ridiculous.

Not if you're a fan of comedy

[lowermerionfilms]

It's Darius Miles who is untradable, not Marbury.

[DeezXXnutZ]

It's Darius Miles who is untradable, not Marbury.

Really, Who is banging down your door to get Marbury...Or who is even going to take Isiahs phone call when they know its a deal involving Marbury....