Redd Trades; a Baseline of Assumptions

[ecuhus1981]

OK, I have to admit, I have been one of the biggest (worst?) in plunging into the "trade Redd" activity of the day. I would like to cull ideas and opinions from everyone about what exactly Redd could fetch on the open market at this time, and what Milwaukee would hope to achieve out of such a trade.

So, Bucks fans: I need to know your priorities list, as far as how you grade a Redd trade.

For everyone else, tell us what type of players/prospects/picks you would give for Redd. It is also valid (and valuable) to express no interest.

[LeQuitterNotMVP]

Anyone but Lebron.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

I doubt this will work. Pacers have a lot of young, good players. If the Bucks would be interested in a Dunleavy/Williams based package?

I know its unlikely, but I'd like to see if there was a way to get Redd without sending Granger or O'Neal.

[Scoot McGroot]

From Indy, I'd be willing to include Granger with some long-term dollars and poorer contracts like a Troy Murphy, or a trio of useful players with easier contracts to deal with like a trio of Foster, Daniels, and Tinsley.


A deal that was floated by a Bucks fan on the Pacers forum was Redd and Villanueva for Granger, Quis, and Murphy. I'd HAVE to do that deal.

Tinsley/Diener
Redd/Rush
Dunleavy/Williams
Villanueva/Diogu
JO/Foster

That's a pretty nice offensive lineup. Pretty horrible defensively, but you get my drift.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

From Indy, I'd be willing to include Granger with some long-term dollars and poorer contracts like a Troy Murphy, or a trio of useful players with easier contracts to deal with like a trio of Foster, Daniels, and Tinsley.


A deal that was floated by a Bucks fan on the Pacers forum was Redd and Villanueva for Granger, Quis, and Murphy. I'd HAVE to do that deal.

Tinsley/Diener
Redd/Rush
Dunleavy/Williams
Villanueva/Diogu
JO/Foster

That's a pretty nice offensive lineup. Pretty horrible defensively, but you get my drift.

Then offer Tinsley, Williams, Dunleavy, and unprotected 1st for McGrady/James.

James
Redd
McGrady
Diogu
JO

Well, I can dream anyway.

[ecuhus1981]

From Indy, I'd be willing to include Granger with some long-term dollars and poorer contracts like a Troy Murphy, or a trio of useful players with easier contracts to deal with like a trio of Foster, Daniels, and Tinsley.


A deal that was floated by a Bucks fan on the Pacers forum was Redd and Villanueva for Granger, Quis, and Murphy. I'd HAVE to do that deal.

Tinsley/Diener
Redd/Rush
Dunleavy/Williams
Villanueva/Diogu
JO/Foster

That's a pretty nice offensive lineup. Pretty horrible defensively, but you get my drift.

I'm a bit surprised at how agreeable Pacers fans are to moving Granger for Redd, although Michael would fit in well. But MIL doesn't get to dump any bad contracts and actually takes 1 or 2 that won't earn their keep; is that cool with Milwaukee?

[Baddy Chuck]

If we got Granger Id be fine keeping our bad contracts.

[RoxFan08]

-= original quote snipped =-



Then offer Tinsley, Williams, Dunleavy, and unprotected 1st for McGrady/James.

James
Redd
McGrady
Diogu
JO

Well, I can dream anyway.

You can offer. You can dream. But don't bet on it.

[Scoot McGroot]

-= original quote snipped =-



I'm a bit surprised at how agreeable Pacers fans are to moving Granger for Redd, although Michael would fit in well. But MIL doesn't get to dump any bad contracts and actually takes 1 or 2 that won't earn their keep; is that cool with Milwaukee?

Well, we do have Shawne Williams that we feel pretty comfortable about for the future. Granger is a very good player, but he's more in the Shane Battier mold. Williams is a bit more in the Rashard Lewis mold, but somewhat more able to play PF. Redd is a classic SG, something that Indy fans have fallen in love with (with guys like Reggie, how couldn't we?).


However, I'd only be willing to move Granger if we were able to move some 4 year deals with him as Redd is going to be hard to afford on the books with JO still here. If we're not moving 4 year deals and taking on additional salary for the future, Granger's not available.

[shrink]

MIN has no use for Redd, but might be useful in a three team deal.

MIL posters often say they want to move Gadzuric, but he's kind of a deal-killer for some teams. MIN might expand the size of the deal's 125% cba matching by doing a Gadzuric-for-Jaric swap, but they'd want some incentive. The salaries are similar, but Jaric is a heck of a lot more useful.

A place to start might be a deal that was acceptable to many in both the MIL and MIN camps:

Gadzuric + lotto-protected pick for Jaric + Gomes

+16.4 PPG, +5.1 RPG, +5.4 APG

... include Redd into MIL's outgoing players in a three-way, and while MIL loses the protected pick, they get a lot more productive and simultaneously help some salary problems.

[WizardsWorld]

From Indy, I'd be willing to include Granger with some long-term dollars and poorer contracts like a Troy Murphy, or a trio of useful players with easier contracts to deal with like a trio of Foster, Daniels, and Tinsley.


A deal that was floated by a Bucks fan on the Pacers forum was Redd and Villanueva for Granger, Quis, and Murphy. I'd HAVE to do that deal.

Tinsley/Diener
Redd/Rush
Dunleavy/Williams
Villanueva/Diogu
JO/Foster

That's a pretty nice offensive lineup. Pretty horrible defensively, but you get my drift.

Replace Villanueva with Simmons and I think that would be the deal

[Scoot McGroot]

-= original quote snipped =-




Replace Villanueva with Simmons and I think that would be the deal

It wouldn't work financially, and his contract would probably turn me off to including Granger in that deal. Redd and Simmons combine to make about $23 million this year. Granger, Daniels, and Murphy combine to make about $17. That would put Indy into serious luxury tax zone this year, and moreso next year.


I'd possibly do other deals without Granger for Simmons and Redd, but if you want Granger, you have to take some long-term salary from Indy as filler.

[fdefore]

if you wanted simmons gone, you'd probably have to take dunleavy for it to make any sense.

redd, simmons, villenueva
murphy, dunleavy, daniels

tinsley / diener
redd / rush
granger / simmons
villenueva / williams
o'neal / foster

great for the pacers (except at point), not so great for the bucks.

oh and apparently jim o'brien wouldn't trade mike dunleavy for anybody -- so that could prove a bit of a snag

i think the redd/cv for granger/quis/murphy makes the most sense for both teams (as it doesn't sound like buck fans would mind taking a longer contract). can someone please send larry the link to this thread?

[skones]

if you wanted simmons gone, you'd probably have to take dunleavy for it to make any sense.

redd, simmons, villenueva
murphy, dunleavy, daniels

tinsley / diener
redd / rush
granger / simmons
villenueva / williams
o'neal / foster

great for the pacers (except at point), not so great for the bucks.

oh and apparently jim o'brien wouldn't trade mike dunleavy for anybody -- so that could prove a bit of a snag

i think the redd/cv for granger/quis/murphy makes the most sense for both teams (as it doesn't sound like buck fans would mind taking a longer contract). can someone please send larry the link to this thread?

That deal is absolutely horrid for Milwaukee. We get rid of Simmons but take on a worse deal in Murphy? Right that makes sense.

[trwi7]

-= original quote snipped =-



That deal is absolutely horrid for Milwaukee. We get rid of Simmons but take on a worse deal in Murphy? Right that makes sense.

Umm Dunleavy is averaging 17/6/3 this year. He may have an extra year on his deal but he's actually producing, unlike Simmons.

[fdefore]

-= original quote snipped =-



That deal is absolutely horrid for Milwaukee. We get rid of Simmons but take on a worse deal in Murphy? Right that makes sense.

you should try actually reading my post. it would help everyone.

i said that the deal with dunleavy wouldn't make any sense for the bucks so (as someone had requested on the previous page) adding simmons to the mix wouldn't make sense.

i said the deal i think made the most sense for both teams was:

redd, villenueva
daniels, murphy, granger

[TheRevTy]

Redd, Charlie

for

Hedo
Keyon Dooling, Pat Garrity, Keith Bogans (Expirings)
1st rounder

Yes, no?

[trwi7]

Redd, Charlie

for

Hedo
Keyon Dooling, Pat Garrity, Keith Bogans (Expirings)
1st rounder

Yes, no?

No. We give up the best player and a young guy and all we get back are expirings, a late 1st and Hedo?

[TheRevTy]

Hedo would fit well with Bogut and Yi, methinks. However, if you deem the deal to be unsuitable, than so be it. Anything you would rather have from Orlando not named Dwight or Rashard?

[trwi7]

Hedo would fit well with Bogut and Yi, methinks. However, if you deem the deal to be unsuitable, than so be it. Anything you would rather have from Orlando not named Dwight or Rashard?

For Redd no.