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NYK needs to clear long-term cap space and open up playing time for younger players.

SACTO needs to unload two unhappy stars (Bibby and Artest)

ORL needs offense and veteran leadership in the backcourt

SA needs low post offense. Also, because they are alrady cap strapped for the next few seasons, they want to keep contracts from expiring so they'll have new expiring contracts to use as trade bait in the next few seasons.

LA LAKERS are already set at SG and C, now look to improve at PF, SF, and PG. Hopefully acquire some talented players closer in age to Kobe.



Okay, here's the trade:

NEW YORK trades
Jamal Crawford
Eddy Curry
Stephon Marbury
Zach Randolph
Renaldo Balkman
$3 million cash
FOR
Lamar Odom
Kwame Brown
Francisco Elson
Robert Horry
Tony Battie
Keyon Dooling (released)
Pat Garrity (released)

Salaries Out: $49.2 million
Salaries In: $44 million

WHY FOR THE KNICKS: A move long overdue. For the cost of Balkman, they set themselves up for long-term recovery. With Randolph, Curry and Crawford off the books, they only need to be patient until they have the chance to land an all-NBA quality player (Lebron, Wade) in the near future.


ORLANDO trades
Keith Bogans
Pat Garrity
Tony Battie
Keyon Dooling
JJ Reddick
FOR
Jamal Crawford
Brent Barry
Chris Mihm
$3 million cash

Salaries Out: $17.0 million
Salaries In: $15.9million

WHY FOR ORLANDO: Without giving up any starters, the Magic get a slashing scorer in Crawford and a veteran shooter with playoff experience in Barry (who is also an expiring contract). Mihm replaces the injured Battie as a backup center. The $3 million is for Mihm so he agrees to the trade.


LAKERS trade
Lamar Odom
Kwame Brown
Vlad Radmonivic
Chris Mihm
2008 #1 pick
FOR
Ron Artest
Mike Bibby
Zach Randolph

Salaries Out: $30.5 million
Salaries In: $34.6 million

WHY FOR LAKERS: Three solid new starters at the positions they most need help. All have personal relatonships with Kobe. Odom has never been a good fit in LA, so losing him is no big deal. Say what you want about Randolph, he's played better than Odom these last couple seasons and been on the court healthy far more often. Bibby and Artest have had their problems, but both would make nice for a trip out of Cowtown. The #1 pick will be late twenties so it's not worth that much.


SAN ANTONIO trades
Brent Barry
Robert Horry
Francisco Elson
2008 #1 pick
FOR
Eddy Curry
Vlad Radmonovic

Salaries Out: $12.1 million
Salaries In: $14.6 million

WHY FOR SA: They get two proven talents for next to nothing. Sure Curry has problems as the Knicks go to guy in the post, but watch what he does as a backup or 2nd post option. He'll be very much like James Edwards for the Bad Boy Pistons. Vlad gives them a PF with outside range to draw defenders away from Duncan or knock down the open 3. Like the Lakers #1, this is a late round pick and of little use to the Spurs.


SACRAMENTO trades
Mike Bibby
Ron Artest
FOR
Stephon Marbury
Renaldo Balkman
JJ Reddick
SA & Lakers 2008 #1 picks

Salaries Out: $21.3 million
Salaries In: $22.3 million

WHY FOR SACTO: The whole league wants Bibby and Artest, but I can't see them getting more than this in a trade. Artest is going to walk after the season. Bibby does nothing but sulk. Marbury is a trainwreck, but becomes a great trading chip as early as the 2008 draft. Reddick and Balkman are recent #1 picks. Essentially, their trading two big headaches for a soon-to-be expiring contract and 4 #1 picks. Not a bad haul.



Comments? Criticisms? Be gentle.

The minute you said "two unhappy stars" when referring to Bibby and Artest I immediately knew the rest of your post would be mindless garbage. Of course it's punctuated by the Kings taking back trash for Artest & Bibby and the Spurs suddenly giving up on EVERY notion they've ever had to take 2 no defense players with crap, longterm contracts.

Oh, and I love how the Knicks give up a bunch of bad contracts/cancers and get back a decent player with 1 more year on his deal and expiring contracts all while the only things of value they give up are $3mil in cash and a C-level prospect.

This trade is just a complete and utter joke.

the most glaring problem i see is the spurs acquiring eddy curry and radman. i can't ever see that happening.

rpa wrote:The minute you said "two unhappy stars" when referring to Bibby and Artest I immediately knew the rest of your post would be mindless garbage. Of course it's punctuated by the Kings taking back trash for Artest & Bibby and the Spurs suddenly giving up on EVERY notion they've ever had to take 2 no defense players with crap, longterm contracts.

Oh, and I love how the Knicks give up a bunch of bad contracts/cancers and get back a decent player with 1 more year on his deal and expiring contracts all while the only things of value they give up are $3mil in cash and a C-level prospect.

This trade is just a complete and utter joke.

+1

wow, call me crazy but i would love this for the magic

rpa wrote:The minute you said "two unhappy stars" when referring to Bibby and Artest I immediately knew the rest of your post would be mindless garbage. Of course it's punctuated by the Kings taking back trash for Artest & Bibby and the Spurs suddenly giving up on EVERY notion they've ever had to take 2 no defense players with crap, longterm contracts.

Oh, and I love how the Knicks give up a bunch of bad contracts/cancers and get back a decent player with 1 more year on his deal and expiring contracts all while the only things of value they give up are $3mil in cash and a C-level prospect.

This trade is just a complete and utter joke.

Another example of the unncecesary venom that flows on this board.

1. Explain how two decent, cheap young players and two #1 draft picks is "garbage" for two players who clearly hate playing in Sacramento.

2. How are any of Randolph, Curry and Crawford "C" level prospects? All are ranked in the top half of the league at their position statistically. Each goes to a situation where he will be counted on for less than is currently expected of him in New York.

3. The Knicks give up 5 of their best 7 players and get back Lamar Odom and a bunch of scrubs. It's hardly a bargain for them. It's a sacrifice in the name of long-term health.

4. Your decision to focus on a personal attack, rather than a detailed critique of my idea shows you do be a person not worth taking seriously.

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+1

You are a mindless follower and will never be a success in this world.

Just say no to Stephon "Cancer" Marbury in a Sacramento uniform.

Bac2Basics wrote:Just say no to Stephon "Cancer" Marbury in a Sacramento uniform.

How exactly is Marbury going to be a "cancer" in Sacramento? It's already a terrible team. Next year, his expiring contract can be moved of allowed to expire. It's not like Bibby is Mr. Sacramento, and his deal is longer than Steph's.

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Another example of the unncecesary venom that flows on this board.

1. Explain how two decent, cheap young players and two #1 draft picks is "garbage" for two players who clearly hate playing in Sacramento.

2. How are any of Randolph, Curry and Crawford "C" level prospects? All are ranked in the top half of the league at their position statistically. Each goes to a situation where he will be counted on for less than is currently expected of him in New York.

3. The Knicks give up 5 of their best 7 players and get back Lamar Odom and a bunch of scrubs. It's hardly a bargain for them. It's a sacrifice in the name of long-term health.

4. Your decision to focus on a personal attack, rather than a detailed critique of my idea shows you do be a person not worth taking seriously.

Where do you get this from? This is purely made up by you.

Spurs will never trade for Curry

and Curry will never see any minutes off the bench in San Antonio

lowermerionfilms wrote:1. Explain how two decent, cheap young players and two #1 draft picks is "garbage" for two players who clearly hate playing in Sacramento.

And you know this how? Every indication by Bibby/Artest has been they love sacramento. Bibby has said he wants to retire a King. Artest is perfectly happy.

King's "terrible team" is still better than the NYK even without 4 starters.

lowermerionfilms wrote:2. How are any of Randolph, Curry and Crawford "C" level prospects? All are ranked in the top half of the league at their position statistically. Each goes to a situation where he will be counted on for less than is currently expected of him in New York.

Ever hear of the Eddie Curry Line? And by top half, are you talking about every player in the league, or just starters...because in no order

Center
Camby, Amare, Duncan, Yao, Dwight, Kaman, Bynum, Miller, Okur, Dally, Al Jefferson, Biedrins, Chandler, Okafor, Big Z - 15 better than Curry
PF
Marion, KG, Dirk, Boozer, Josh Smith, Bosh, Lewis, Rasheed, Antwan, Brand, Aldridge, Gasol, Granger - 13 all better than Randolph
SG
Kobe, Kevin Martin, Ray Allen, Manu, Redd, Rip, Joe Johnson, Bell, Deng, Gordon, Carter, J. Rich, Iggy, Wade, Roy, AI, Terry, Mike Miller = 18 Better
If we talk Statistically, then wouuldn't that just mean fantasy wise?
Curry - 278
Randolph - 160
Crawford - 75
So yes, the are just C level prospects

lowermerionfilms wrote:
3. The Knicks give up 5 of their best 7 players and get back Lamar Odom and a bunch of scrubs. It's hardly a bargain for them. It's a sacrifice in the name of long-term health.quote]
And they also give up 5 of the worst contracts in the league. Shaq may be the 2nd best player on the Heat, but if they can get expirings for him, it doesnt mean its a bad deal. Especially when you are talking about 4 players that no one wants int he league

lowermerionfilms wrote:
4. Your decision to focus on a personal attack, rather than a detailed critique of my idea shows you do be a person not worth taking seriously.

There, that wasn't a personal attack, i detailed all the errors in your logic

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You are a mindless follower and will never be a success in this world.

Woooow take a chill pill man

Artest isn't unhappy in Sac. In fact he likes Sac. He just talks about playing in New York because its his home town. Brad Miller said the same thing about the Pacers, doesn't mean he's going any where

Bibby is unhappy because they are talking about trading him. He likes Sacramento and wants to stay.

So get your facts straight.

Balkman and JJ aren't worth Bibby and Artest. Marbury is worthless. Enough said. A first is nice, but not the difference between those four playes.

Bibby and Marbury's contracts are the same length. It doesn't save the Kings any money. No Longs term contracts leave and we take lesser player.

So get out of here with your non sense

lowermerionfilms wrote:1. Explain how two decent, cheap young players and two #1 draft picks is "garbage" for two players who clearly hate playing in Sacramento.

Well, let's see, first off should I quote exactly what you said about the Laker's first rounder? Oh let's see, here it is:

"The #1 pick will be late twenties so it's not worth that much"

But the Kings should be treating these as HIGH value, huh?

Second, Balkman will get next to zero minutes at his natural position (SF) behind Garcia & Salmons--both MUCH better players.

Third, Reddick plays SG, he doesn't have the skills to play PG and he's way too small to play SF. The Kings have that guy named Kevin Martin playing 40 minutes at SG already. If you haven't heard of him he's pretty good.

Fourth, the fact that you keep spewing your mindless drivel about how Artest & Bibby hate Sacramento just proves my point for me (that you don't have a clue what you're talking about)

lowermerionfilms wrote:2. How are any of Randolph, Curry and Crawford "C" level prospects? All are ranked in the top half of the league at their position statistically. Each goes to a situation where he will be counted on for less than is currently expected of him in New York.

I won't list ALL the players better than those guys because someone else already did it. But let me say this:

1) The Blazers PAID $30mil just to get rid of Zack Randolph. That tells you how much value he has.
2) Eddy Curry can do exactly 1 thing well and that's score in the post. Unfortunately because he turns the ball over so much, can't pass, & is a horrid FT shooter he's actually a BELOW AVERAGE offensively. And offense is supposed to be his bread and butter--it sure as hell isn't defense, rebounding, <insert any other basketball related skill here>
3) Crawford is being paid nearly $10mil a year over the next 3 years. He's an incredibly inefficient combo guard that takes more bad shots than almost anyone in the league.

But yes, of course these are "good" players. Let's just ignore the fact that (to my knowledge) every team that let them go immediately got significantly better and they've never been on anything more than an average (at best) team.

lowermerionfilms wrote:3. The Knicks give up 5 of their best 7 players and get back Lamar Odom and a bunch of scrubs. It's hardly a bargain for them. It's a sacrifice in the name of long-term health.

A High School girls team could give up 5 of their best 7 players too. Too bad all those players would be horrible.

The Knicks are a GOD AWFUL team and there's a damn good reason for this. Those 5 players are the main reason.

Second, try taking contracts into the fold here. Theo Ratliff may be a total scrub but Danny Ferry would give half his liver (that's for you Heat fans) to swap him for Larry Hughes.

lowermerionfilms wrote:4. Your decision to focus on a personal attack, rather than a detailed critique of my idea shows you do be a person not worth taking seriously.

How is it a personal attack to bring up the fact that you don't know what the hell you're talking about?

Artest & Bibby hate Sacramento? Since when?

Since we're just assuming bull information with no credible source is true I'll try my hand:
1) Kobe HATES the Lakers and would love to play in the CBA (the Chinese one)
2) George Bush is actually an alien from the planet Blumpanoo
3) Yao Ming was the gunman on the grassy knoll

Should I go on?