ORL / LAL / CLE / SAC

BFish · Post #1 » by **BFish** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:12 am

Trade ID #4414339

Orlando Trade Breakdown

Incoming Players

Francisco Garcia
6-7 SG / SF from Louisville
14.0 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 1.6 apg in 29.3 minutes

Quincy Douby
6-3 SG from Rutgers
4.7 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 0.7 apg in 13.4 minutes

Shareef Abdur-Rahim
6-9 PF from California
1.7 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 0.7 apg in 8.4 minutes

Brad Miller
7-0 C from Purdue
14.0 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 3.5 apg in 36.0 minutes

Damon Jones
6-3 PG / SG from Houston
5.4 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 1.4 apg in 18.5 minutes

Outgoing Players

Adonal Foyle
6-10 C from Colgate
2.0 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.2 apg in 9.5 minutes

Keyon Dooling
6-3 PG from Missouri
8.2 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 1.7 apg in 18.6 minutes

Pat Garrity
6-9 PF from Notre Dame
2.3 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.6 apg in 12.5 minutes

Carlos Arroyo
6-2 PG from Florida International
6.2 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 3.6 apg in 18.8 minutes

Hedo Turkoglu
6-8 SF / SG from Turkey (Foreign)
18.7 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 4.2 apg in 37.8 minutes

2008 1st Round Pick

They get something that they really need in Garcia. The inside outside of Miller and Howard could be impossible to stop.

Jameer Nelson/Quincy Douby
Francisco Garcia/Damon Jones/J.J. Redick
Rashard Lewis/Keith Bogans
Dwight Howard/Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Brad Miller/Tony Battie

L.A. Lakers Trade Breakdown

Incoming Players

Hedo Turkoglu
6-8 SF / SG from Turkey (Foreign)
18.7 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 4.2 apg in 37.8 minutes

Drew Gooden
6-9 PF from Kansas
12.1 ppg, 9.0 rpg, 1.0 apg in 32.1 minutes

Zydrunas Ilgauskas
7-3 C from Lithuania (Foreign)
13.2 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 1.2 apg in 30.3 minutes

Outgoing Players

Ronny Turiaf
6-9 PF from Gonzaga
6.2 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 1.2 apg in 16.2 minutes

Javaris Crittenton
6-5 PG from Georgia Tech
3.5 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.9 apg in 8.2 minutes

Kwame Brown
6-11 PF / C from Glynn Academy (HS)
5.1 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 1.2 apg in 20.4 minutes

Lamar Odom
6-10 SF from Rhode Island
13.3 ppg, 9.3 rpg, 2.7 apg in 36.5 minutes

2008 1st Round Pick

They trade one starter for three. There starting 5 is now very good and when Bynum returns for the playoffs they can have a all-star caliber center on the floor at all times.

Derek Fisher/Jordan Farmar
Kobe Bryant/Luke Walton
Hedo Turkoglu/Vladimir Radmanovic/Trevor Ariza
Drew Gooden/Chris Mihm
Zydrunas Ilgauskas/Andrew Bynum

Cleveland Trade Breakdown

Incoming Players

Mikki Moore
7-0 C from Nebraska
8.0 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 29.2 minutes

Mike Bibby
6-2 PG from Arizona
No games yet played in 2007/08

Lamar Odom
6-10 SF from Rhode Island
13.3 ppg, 9.3 rpg, 2.7 apg in 36.5 minutes

Outgoing Players

Shannon Brown
6-3 SG from Michigan State
7.9 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 1.4 apg in 16.4 minutes

Devin Brown
6-5 SG from Texas-San Antonio
6.5 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 1.7 apg in 21.2 minutes

Ira Newble
6-7 SF from Miami-OH
3.9 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 0.2 apg in 13.2 minutes

Damon Jones
6-3 PG / SG from Houston
5.4 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 1.4 apg in 18.5 minutes

Drew Gooden
6-9 PF from Kansas
12.1 ppg, 9.0 rpg, 1.0 apg in 32.1 minutes

Zydrunas Ilgauskas
7-3 C from Lithuania (Foreign)
13.2 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 1.2 apg in 30.3 minutes

They loose Gooden and Ilgauskas but get good replacements at those spots and add Bibby. This adds better shooters around LJ.

Mike Bibby/Daniel Gibson/Eric Snow
Larry Hughes/Sasha Pavlovic
LeBron James/Cedric Simmons
Lamar Odom/Donyell Marshall
Mikki Moore/Anderson Varejao

Sacramento Trade Breakdown

Incoming Players

Adonal Foyle
6-10 C from Colgate
2.0 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.2 apg in 9.5 minutes

Keyon Dooling
6-3 PG from Missouri
8.2 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 1.7 apg in 18.6 minutes

Pat Garrity
6-9 PF from Notre Dame
2.3 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.6 apg in 12.5 minutes

Carlos Arroyo
6-2 PG from Florida International
6.2 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 3.6 apg in 18.8 minutes

Ronny Turiaf
6-9 PF from Gonzaga
6.2 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 1.2 apg in 16.2 minutes

Javaris Crittenton
6-5 PG from Georgia Tech
3.5 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.9 apg in 8.2 minutes

Kwame Brown
6-11 PF / C from Glynn Academy (HS)
5.1 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 1.2 apg in 20.4 minutes

Shannon Brown
6-3 SG from Michigan State
7.9 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 1.4 apg in 16.4 minutes

Devin Brown
6-5 SG from Texas-San Antonio
6.5 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 1.7 apg in 21.2 minutes

Ira Newble
6-7 SF from Miami-OH
3.9 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 0.2 apg in 13.2 minutes

LAL 2008 1st Round Pick
ORL 2008 1st Round Pick

Outgoing Players

Francisco Garcia
6-7 SG / SF from Louisville
14.0 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 1.6 apg in 29.3 minutes

Quincy Douby
6-3 SG from Rutgers
4.7 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 0.7 apg in 13.4 minutes

Mikki Moore
7-0 C from Nebraska
8.0 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 29.2 minutes

Shareef Abdur-Rahim
6-9 PF from California
1.7 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 0.7 apg in 8.4 minutes

Brad Miller
7-0 C from Purdue
14.0 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 3.5 apg in 36.0 minutes

Mike Bibby
6-2 PG from Arizona
No games yet played in 2007/08

Sacramento gets lots of expiring contracts and a young point guard that might pan out. This would make them about 18mil under the cap this summer if they let them all expire. If Ron Artest ops out or is traded Sacramento could be HUGH free agent players.

Beno Udrih/Javaris Crittenton/Carlos Arroyo
Kevin Martin/Shannon Brown
John Salmons/Ira Newble
Ron Artest/Ronny Turiaf
Spencer Hawes/Kwame Brown/Justin Williams
Three 1st round picks(Sacramento's should get higher after this trade)

Thoughts

vincanity1 · Post #2 » by **vincanity1** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:13 am

In case you didn't know, we have starting center already and Javaris is not worth trading for those guys.

LeQuitterNotMVP · Post #3 » by **LeQuitterNotMVP** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:20 am

Wow, I'm not sure here. This isn't realistic because Z is worth way more to us than to any other team, but we do get good value. As a side note, Devin Brown is playing well for us and Simmons is not a SF.

DiplomaticMagic · Post #4 » by **DiplomaticMagic** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:36 am

Magic heart this trade!

rpa · Post #5 » by **rpa** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:41 am

The Kings get raped.

Garcia is a better young player than any player they get back and they also give up Bibby, Miller, AND Douby? You gotta be kidding me.

People overrate cap space SO much. Having talent is #1. This reams the Kings have current talent AND future talent.

It's just so laughable I'll stop now before I move onto personal insults (yes, this trade is THAT bad).

SacTown Kings · Post #6 » by **SacTown Kings** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:49 am

Bad for the Kings.

We lose two young players with a lot of potential and get back one player with a lot of potential. I would also rather have Douby and Garcia over two late first round picks. Kings are not going to give up Douby and Garcia just to get rid of Miller and Bibby. If the Kings are giving up one of our young guys it would be to bait someone into taking Kenny Thomas. Kings don't need to rebuild to this exent. All we need is a legit power forward. No reason to throw away all your trading chips for a couple late 1st's and Crittenton, especially without getting rid of the one player they really want to get rid of.

BFish · Post #7 » by **BFish** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:56 am

You're right that this is to big to be realistic but I wanted to rebuild the kings in one trade and shed money. I know the kings loose LOTS of talent but they could have enough money to go after Emeka Okafor AND Luol Deng. Not to mention the picks.

rpa · Post #8 » by **rpa** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:02 am

BFish wrote:You're right that this is to big to be realistic but I wanted to rebuild the kings in one trade and shed money. I know the kings loose LOTS of talent but they could have enough money to go after Emeka Okafor AND Luol Deng. Not to mention the picks.

Garcia & Douby both hold 1st round pick value to the Kings based on their play so far and potential. So there goes the 2 picks the Kings get back.

Bibby is worth expiring contracts and a 1st and I'd argue Miller (with his play this season) is also worth around that as well (maybe a late 1st). After you take out the young players for picks swap it's basically the Kings giving up 2 players with good trade value, an OK role player, and a 3-year deal in SAR for expirings, a crappy youngster (Shannon Brown), and a complete unknown in Crittenton who hasn't shown anything significant this year to warrant anything more than where he was picked in last years draft (mid 1st round)

What's worse is that the Kings don't even dump their worst contract out of this despite giving up BY FAR the most talent in this deal.

Rasheed36 · Post #9 » by **Rasheed36** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:12 am

This is so bad for Kings I don't even feel like talking about it.

BFish · Post #10 » by **BFish** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:14 am

yeah.... I wanted to dump Kenny but I couldn't work it in this deal. I was hoping that Ron Artest would be able to dump him. I know that the value isn't good but there aren't that many expirings out there and I doen't think many team really want to be exchanging expirings or 3 year 30mil+. If you'd rather target the 09 free agents you could get better young players for sure... It's just a different approach to the rebuild.

SacKingZZZ · Post #11 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:25 am

BFish wrote:You're right that this is to big to be realistic but I wanted to rebuild the kings in one trade and shed money. I know the kings loose LOTS of talent but they could have enough money to go after Emeka Okafor AND Luol Deng. Not to mention the picks.

But you've torn down an entire wall to put a window in the kitchen.

BFish · Post #12 » by **BFish** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:34 am

okay. I better raise white flag before Smills shows up :oops:

OGSactownballer · Post #13 » by **OGSactownballer** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:11 am

Good choice - this is not even worth commenting on.

bibby1023 · Post #14 » by **bibby1023** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:32 am

kings get owned....that is all