Kings/Suns

[sackings916]

edit-tweaked original deal

Kings deal:
Ron Artest
Francisco Garcia
Mikke Moore

Suns deal:
Shawn Marion
2008 1st round pick


Kings new lineup
Bibby/Udrih
Kmart/Douby
Salmons/Jones
Marion/Thomas
Miller/Hawes/Williams


Suns new lineup
Nash/Banks
Garcia/Barbosa
Artest/Hill
Moore
Stoudemire/Skinner

Suns probably go small ball with Artest and Hill playing a lot of PF.

[jlove_26]

Wow, that one actually might be worth looking into. I hate the prospect of losing Marion because he is a jack of all trades and he helps make the Suns system work. However, You can throw Moore into the starting line-up (as the center) with Amare (at PF) and push Hill to the bench (only to conserve minutes for him for the long haul) and have Artest as the starting 3.

Starters:
Nash
Bell
Artest
Amare
Moore

Bench:
Barbosa, Hill, Garcia, Diaw, Skinner, Banks, Tucker, Strawberry, Marks, Pike

This trade deepens the bench and helps defensively. I think Moore would be a great addition to this team. Look what he did (especially in the playoffs) for NJ with a great PG in Kidd. Just think of what he could do with Nash. Makes our second unit a matchup problem as well.

Barbosa, Hill, Garcia, Diaw, Skinner

[deNIEd]

pick being atlanta's pick?

I dunno, Marion does little for the Kings, i say swing Marion to GSW.

Would it be possible somehow for

Pho give - Marion, Banks, Atl 08 1st
Pho gets - Artest, Moore, Pietrus, Harrington

GSW give - Harrington, Pietrus, TPE, 08 1st
GSW gets - Marion, Banks

Sac give - Artest, Moore
Sac gets - TPE, Atl 1st, GSW 1st

I know TPE can't be traded with other players and whatnot, but can anybody make a trade like that work and make sures salary matches up?

GSW
PG B. Davis, M. Banks
SG M. Ellis, K. Azubuike
SF S. Jackson, M. Barnes
PF S. Marion, B. Wright
C A. Biedrins, A. Croshere

GSW gets the PF they need in Marion and a backup guard that they need. For the price of Al, Pietrus, and late 1st, its a great deal

Phoenix
PG S. Nash, L. Barbosa
SG R. Bell, G. Hill
SF R. Artest, M. Pietrus
PF A. Stoudemire, A. Harrington
C M. Moore, B. Diaw
Phoenix, adds 3 potential starters and a great backup SF. Overall, they can't do any better than this.

Sac
PG M. Bibby, B. Udrih
SG K. Martin, Q. Douby
SF J. Salmons, F. Garcia
PF K. Thomas, J. Williams
C B. Miller, S. Hawes
Kings do this to clear salary, and commit to rebuilding. Also adding 2 first round picks, around the range of 15 and 22.

[gswhoops]

FWIW Warriors say HELL YES to deNIEd's deal.

[rpa]

Just add 1 of the Warriors smaller expiring contracts and it would work. Someone like Crosshere, Hudson, or O'Bryant and the deal would work out financially.

Two issues with the trade though (both from the Suns' POV):
1) Haven't they been against taking on "troubled" players in the past? I mean, they dumped Jason Kidd for Stephon Marbury (1 of the worst player for player swaps in history) because Kidd had a domestic issue with his wife. Would they really consider taking on Artest?
2) They're adding roughly $5mil in salary here which means they're paying $10mil more (the extra $5mil in luxury tax payments). Harrington still has 3 years left on his deal at big money (roughly 3x what Banks was making) and Moore has 1 more year after this and then a non-guaranteed year after that. And all this BEFORE you even talk about whether or not they'd want to bring back Artest (which would cost them, most likely, in the neighborhood of $8-10mil per year plus luxury tax).

I think for the Suns to do this trade you'd need to find a 4th team to take Harrington and either return an expiring or a trade exception. IMO he's redundant to Diaw and he makes the same money. Do that and the Suns would be much more likely to do the deal.

[DanTown8587]

Suns have vowed to stay under the tax line no matter what, so this deal needs to be re-evaluated for salary purposes.

[dozencousins]

i have seen many trade proposals here but i like denied's proposal of a deal in this thread by far the best !

[RoyalCourtJestr]

Other then the Suns' salary problems (which could be fixed cause Ron could technically EXPIRE this summer) this is a perfect rtade for all.

[Bac2Basics]

Depending on which direction Petrie's got in mind, I could see him considering one of these deal.

[YeahYeahYeah]

pick being atlanta's pick?

I dunno, Marion does little for the Kings, i say swing Marion to GSW.

Would it be possible somehow for

Pho give - Marion, Banks, Atl 08 1st
Pho gets - Artest, Moore, Pietrus, Harrington

GSW give - Harrington, Pietrus, TPE, 08 1st
GSW gets - Marion, Banks

Sac give - Artest, Moore
Sac gets - TPE, Atl 1st, GSW 1st

I know TPE can't be traded with other players and whatnot, but can anybody make a trade like that work and make sures salary matches up?

GSW
PG B. Davis, M. Banks
SG M. Ellis, K. Azubuike
SF S. Jackson, M. Barnes
PF S. Marion, B. Wright
C A. Biedrins, A. Croshere

GSW gets the PF they need in Marion and a backup guard that they need. For the price of Al, Pietrus, and late 1st, its a great deal

Phoenix
PG S. Nash, L. Barbosa
SG R. Bell, G. Hill
SF R. Artest, M. Pietrus
PF A. Stoudemire, A. Harrington
C M. Moore, B. Diaw
Phoenix, adds 3 potential starters and a great backup SF. Overall, they can't do any better than this.

Sac
PG M. Bibby, B. Udrih
SG K. Martin, Q. Douby
SF J. Salmons, F. Garcia
PF K. Thomas, J. Williams
C B. Miller, S. Hawes
Kings do this to clear salary, and commit to rebuilding. Also adding 2 first round picks, around the range of 15 and 22.

No way to make this work. Marion makes more than GS's exception so they can't send that back in a trade.

[rpa]

No way to make this work. Marion makes more than GS's exception so they can't send that back in a trade.

They use it on Banks (they nearly send out salary to equal Marion between Pietrus & Harrington) and add 1 more cheap player (say O'Bryant) that they'd send to the Kings to make the salaries all work out.

[Smills91]

FWIW Warriors say HELL YES to deNIEd's deal.

Which is exactly why the Kings don't oblige.

[YeahYeahYeah]

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They use it on Banks (they nearly send out salary to equal Marion between Pietrus & Harrington) and add 1 more cheap player (say O'Bryant) that they'd send to the Kings to make the salaries all work out.

That's not how it works. You can't just toss in a trade exception in a trade, it has to be used on a specific player, and even then it's only worth that player's salary (i.e. if used on Banks Banks it would be worth $3 million, not the full $10 million)

[rpa]

That's not how it works. You can't just toss in a trade exception in a trade, it has to be used on a specific player, and even then it's only worth that player's salary (i.e. if used on Banks Banks it would be worth $3 million, not the full $10 million)

And? Between the combination of the trade exception (i.e. the Warriors taking banks while giving up $0) and the 125% rule the Kings still take back next to no salary (they'd need to take back 1 small salary guy from the Warriors as previously mentioned).

BTW the trade exception doesn't need to be used on a "specific" player. It simply means that the Warriors can take back a SINGLE player with a salary up to somewhere in the $11mil range (whatever JRich's salary was) while giving back no salary in return. They do that here by taking on Banks' $3.Xmil deal.

Further, the Warriors still have a good chunk of that trade exception to use (in the $7-8mil range) since Trade Exceptions can be "split".

[WarFan]

It checks out on the Trade Checker.

http://www.realgm.com/src_tradechecker/4/

GS sends Harrington, Pietrus, Hudson, POB for Marion
Sac sends Artest for POB
Pho sends Marion for Harrington, Pietrus, Artest, Hudson

Both GS and Pho have large trade exceptions, so GS takes Banks for theirs, and Pho takes Moore for theirs.

Edit- Works on ESPN too, with the TE's:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... -846&cash=

I think that Phoenix still needs to dump a contract somewhere.

[YeahYeahYeah]

It checks out on the Trade Checker.

http://www.realgm.com/src_tradechecker/4/

GS sends Harrington, Pietrus, Hudson, POB for Marion
Sac sends Artest for POB
Pho sends Marion for Harrington, Pietrus, Artest, Hudson

Both GS and Pho have large trade exceptions, so GS takes Banks for theirs, and Pho takes Moore for theirs.

rpa I see what you're saying now, and yeah, this works. Throw in the picks for Sac and I think everyone has a pretty good deal.

[WarFan]

Ok, this was a pain to put together and it's hard to know exactly where each team stands with the luxury tax, but I think this solves a lot.

GS sends: Harrington, Pietrus, POB, Hudson, 1st, cash
GS gets: Marion, Williams

Sac sends: Artest, Moore
Sac gets: Wright, Davis, POB, Piatkowski, Hudson, cash, GS 1st, Atl 1st

Mia sends: Wright, Davis, Williams, Parker, cash
Mia gets: Banks, Harrington

Pho sends: Marion, Banks, Piatkowski, Atl 1st, cash
Pho gets: Moore, Artest, Pietrus, Parker

The only TE used is GS takes Williams from Miami.

Here's the link that shows it all:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... 1018&cash=

Explanations:
Mia: This should put them under the lux tax, as they save 7.6 million this year. Harrington would actually be a good fit for them at the 3 and backup 4 and his contract expires with Shaq. The only real downside of this is that they have to take on Banks' deal, but they do get to ship Smush

Pho: With Artest, Moore and Pietrus, they get three players to add to their thin rotation. Parker is no worse than Banks, on a much better contract. They also save about 3 million which should put them just under the tax.

Sac: They get a decent prospect in Wright along with 2 firsts and a bunch of expiring contracts with as much cash as they can pry out of the other teams to pay them. Also, POB should be exactly what they're looking for next to Hawes, so they get a first hand look at him and if it doesn't work out their's no commitment.

GS: They get the best player in the deal, but also are taking a big risk that he'll stay. This might put them just over the tax, but not by much and they could probably wiggle out of it somehow, either way I think it is worth the risk.

EDIT- It just occured to me that Ricky Davis might be a better fit on GS than Williams, I don't think that Sac would care and them switching places makes no difference to the trade, although it does insure that GS stays under the tax.

[hermes]

i have seen many trade proposals here but i like denied's proposal of a deal in this thread by far the best !

that is a good trade
nice job denied

[rpa]

I don't think Miami does the above. They just traded a 1st and took on Blount to get Davis. Dumping him now (as solely an expiring contract) doesn't seem to make much sense. They're pretty much taking on longterm salary (Harrington) for no reason. Having Davis AND Harrington may make a difference this year but if they only have 1 of the 2 they're likely going to continue to suck. So if that's the case why take Harrington? They also wouldn't give up Wright in that package (and as a Kings fan I can tell you that I couldn't care less if the Kings got him or not)


In my opinion the trade to do is deNIEd's trade but with 2 additions:
1) Send POB to the Kings as a salary filler
2) Find a 3rd team willing to give up an expiring for Harrington (and the expiring probably should be a crappy player--like Jason Williams for example).

[deNIEd]

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Which is exactly why the Kings don't oblige.

If Petrie/Maloofs do decide to rebuild, meaning this would not be the only move, then this is a good trade for the Kings.

Whichever trade i've seen you propose, has all had the Kings getting back expirings and picks. A TPE is better than an expiring, because well, you don't even have to pay the remaining of the year's salary. No team, trading for Artest will have a better pick than Atlanta's.

Moore, isn't really a bad contract, but he does little for the Kings in the overall picture. He won't be around when we make a championship push, and teams won't be giving up a whole to trade for him.

Smills, you have as much faith as I do, with Petrie's drafting ability. Personally, I don't see Lee as something ALL that great, and I have enough faith in Petrie to find a better player than Lee given a late lottery pick and a early 20 pick.