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Orlando Trade Breakdown

Change in Team Outlook: -18.6 ppg, +5.8 rpg, and -3.0 apg.

Incoming Players

Julian Wright
6-8 SF from Kansas
2.0 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.5 apg in 9.5 minutes

Hilton Armstrong
6-10 C from Connecticut
2.9 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.4 apg in 11.4 minutes

Rasual Butler
6-7 SF from La Salle
5.8 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.8 apg in 19.8 minutes

Chris Duhon
6-1 PG from Duke
5.4 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 3.8 apg in 23.0 minutes

Ben Wallace
6-9 C from Virginia Union
4.5 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 2.0 apg in 32.8 minutes

2008 1st round pick (New Orleans)

Outgoing Players

J.J. Redick
6-5 SG from Duke
3.5 ppg, 0.4 rpg, 0.4 apg in 8.6 minutes

Keyon Dooling
6-3 PG from Missouri
8.1 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 1.7 apg in 18.4 minutes

Pat Garrity
6-9 PF from Notre Dame
2.3 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.6 apg in 12.5 minutes

Carlos Arroyo
6-2 PG from Florida International
6.6 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 3.6 apg in 19.2 minutes

Tony Battie
6-11 PF / C from Texas Tech
No games yet played in 2007/08

Hedo Turkoglu
6-8 SF / SG from Turkey (Foreign)
18.7 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 4.2 apg in 37.7 minutes

2008 2nd round pick

New Orleans Trade Breakdown

Change in Team Outlook: +9.7 ppg, -0.5 rpg, and +2.9 apg.

Incoming Players

J.J. Redick
6-5 SG from Duke
3.5 ppg, 0.4 rpg, 0.4 apg in 8.6 minutes

Hedo Turkoglu
6-8 SF / SG from Turkey (Foreign)
18.7 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 4.2 apg in 37.7 minutes

2008 2nd round pick (Orlando)

Outgoing Players

Marcus Vinicius
6-9 SF from Brazil (Foreign)
1.8 ppg, 0.4 rpg, 0.0 apg in 6.1 minutes

Julian Wright
6-8 SF from Kansas
2.0 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.5 apg in 9.5 minutes

Hilton Armstrong
6-10 C from Connecticut
2.9 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.4 apg in 11.4 minutes

Rasual Butler
6-7 SF from La Salle
5.8 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.8 apg in 19.8 minutes

2008 1st round pick

Chicago Trade Breakdown

Change in Team Outlook: +8.9 ppg, -5.3 rpg, and +0.1 apg.

Incoming Players

Keyon Dooling
6-3 PG from Missouri
8.1 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 1.7 apg in 18.4 minutes

Pat Garrity
6-9 PF from Notre Dame
2.3 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.6 apg in 12.5 minutes

Carlos Arroyo
6-2 PG from Florida International
6.6 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 3.6 apg in 19.2 minutes

Tony Battie
6-11 PF / C from Texas Tech
No games yet played in 2007/08

Marcus Vinicius
6-9 SF from Brazil (Foreign)
1.8 ppg, 0.4 rpg, 0.0 apg in 6.1 minutes

Outgoing Players

Chris Duhon
6-1 PG from Duke
5.4 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 3.8 apg in 23.0 minutes

Ben Wallace
6-9 C from Virginia Union
4.5 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 2.0 apg in 32.8 minutes


Why for Orlando: Orlando fills some needs at the expense of Hedo and it's expirings. Wallace steps in at the PF spot, Duhon is the perfect PG compliment to Jameer, Armstrong and Wright are good young prospects, and Butler would step in and fill the loss of 3 guards.

Why for New Orleans: New Orleans gets 2 guys that can fill their SG role, the last piece they need.

Why for Chicago: Easy. Chicago moves Wallace's contract and gets mainly expirings in return.

No one has an opinion? I realize there are like 5 Hornet fans on these boards, but I figured a deal that had the Bulls losing Wallace's contract would get some attention.

Bulls say yes.

i'll have to sit on it for a little bit...just because of how large it is...i would hate to take away so many players and then inject so many new ones into a scheme...i'd probably ultimately say yes...

Hornets easily pass I'd say. They trade away their young talent for two Peja clones? No thanks.

2poor wrote:Hornets easily pass I'd say. They trade away their young talent for two Peja clones? No thanks.

I wouldn't call Hedo a Peja clone. They both can shoot, but Hedo can play the 2, 3, or 4 and does a lot more than just score. Hedo is pretty much across the board better than Peja at this point, and he would be a clear upgrade over anyone the Hornets start at SG. Redick would be another shooter off the bench to surround Paul with. IMO this trade makes the Hornets a serious contender out west.

I don't think I would want to take on Wallace. We already have Dwight to rebound, and Wallace is useless on offense.

I'd do this as Bulls fan- not bad, can't expect too much for Wallace and I'd be happy to get rid of him.

Of course the Bulls say yes. I suspect the team would even go a little further to get rid of Wallace. I suspect that there is no way that the team receiving Wallace would agree to it though.

Wallace would probably look a lot better next to dwight since one of the things he excels at for a center is passing. He can get dwight a few more easy dunks. I would be willing to throw more orlandos way.

Cammo101 wrote:I wouldn't call Hedo a Peja clone. They both can shoot, but Hedo can play the 2, 3, or 4 and does a lot more than just score. Hedo is pretty much across the board better than Peja at this point, and he would be a clear upgrade over anyone the Hornets start at SG. Redick would be another shooter off the bench to surround Paul with. IMO this trade makes the Hornets a serious contender out west.

Please. He's having the season of his life but he still has trouble creating for himself, isn't a very good defender, and is at his best when he's spotting up and shooting...kinda like Redick...and Peja.

So no, it would be just plain dumb for the Hornets to unload three young assets for two guys who do essentially the same thing that they're already paying Peja $10M+ to do.

Pass.

edit: I'd be curious how exactly the Hornets would fill out the active roster after this trade (which only adds to the crap nature of the trade):

depth chart:

Paul/Pargo/Jackson
Peterson/Redick/Haluska (IR)
Peja/Hedo (LOL)
West/Bowen
Chandler/Ely

garbage. and this makes them a contender? no. it makes them no better BUT takes away pretty much all of their young talent (CP3 the obvious exception).

bulls do it
they get wallace out of town

2poor wrote:

Cammo101 wrote:I wouldn't call Hedo a Peja clone. They both can shoot, but Hedo can play the 2, 3, or 4 and does a lot more than just score. Hedo is pretty much across the board better than Peja at this point, and he would be a clear upgrade over anyone the Hornets start at SG. Redick would be another shooter off the bench to surround Paul with. IMO this trade makes the Hornets a serious contender out west.

Please. He's having the season of his life but he still has trouble creating for himself, isn't a very good defender, and is at his best when he's spotting up and shooting...kinda like Redick...and Peja.

So no, it would be just plain dumb for the Hornets to unload three young assets for two guys who do essentially the same thing that they're already paying Peja $10M+ to do.

Pass.

edit: I'd be curious how exactly the Hornets would fill out the active roster after this trade (which only adds to the crap nature of the trade):

depth chart:

Paul/Pargo/Jackson
Peterson/Redick/Haluska (IR)
Peja/Hedo (LOL)
West/Bowen
Chandler/Ely

garbage. and this makes them a contender? no. it makes them no better BUT takes away pretty much all of their young talent (CP3 the obvious exception).

You're being a little arrogant here. Yes you lose depth, but how can you possibly argue that adding an 18 point score woud "make them no better" if they're giving up three guys that contribute very little currently to the roster. I can understand not wanting to give up youth if you don't think you are close enough to compete for a ring, but your other reasoning seems silly.

Also, Hedo could get PT at backup PF too, provided that Chandler is there to defend the paint.

No from the Magic side...we give away wayyyy too many players that actually play and only get 2 back. Our rotation is small right now, it would be a 6 man rotation with a scrub every now and then.

Arrogant, please. I gave my POV as a fan of this team. NO has no business being in this trade in the first place, Chicago can find some other poor sap to dump Wallace on, and they don't need to ravage another team's young talent in so doing.

The Hornets are a good defensive team. Adding an 18 point scorer who shoots a low FG% and even worse 3p% does little for them, we already have enough streaky shooters...but at least our streaky shooters can actually defend. Believe it or not, Peja's defense continues to improve, and at the very least, his 3p% is considerably better than Hedo's; hell, his 3p% is better than Hedo's FG% alone.

Hilton and Julian's strong points are their defense. Hedo and Redick's weak points are always their defense.

Hedo backing up PF, LOL. What a mighty frontcourt that'd be.

The Hornets are interested in moving Butler and future picks, Bobby Jackson is also up for grabs. Taking every single young player and giving back an undeserving lottery pick and Peja's understudy from Sacramento isn't a worthwhile deal, at all.

Go watch some games and then tell me how well he'd fit in NO. I can say confidently that Redick wouldn't even get off the bench. Scott would have no choice but to play Hedo because this stupid trade ravaged all their depth.

edit: who really thinks Hedo would be averaging 18ppg if defenses weren't so concerned about collapsing on D12 and/or covering 'Shard? I could probably average 4apg in that system...its an easy one. Lob the ball into Dwight and watch him dunk.

2poor wrote:Arrogant, please. I gave my POV as a fan of this team. NO has no business being in this trade in the first place, Chicago can find some other poor sap to dump Wallace on, and they don't need to ravage another team's young talent in so doing.

The Hornets are a good defensive team. Adding an 18 point scorer who shoots a low FG% and even worse 3p% does little for them, we already have enough streaky shooters...but at least our streaky shooters can actually defend. Believe it or not, Peja's defense continues to improve, and at the very least, his 3p% is considerably better than Hedo's; hell, his 3p% is better than Hedo's FG% alone.

Hilton and Julian's strong points are their defense. Hedo and Redick's weak points are always their defense.

Hedo backing up PF, LOL. What a mighty frontcourt that'd be.

The Hornets are interested in moving Butler and future picks, Bobby Jackson is also up for grabs. Taking every single young player and giving back an undeserving lottery pick and Peja's understudy from Sacramento isn't a worthwhile deal, at all.

Go watch some games and then tell me how well he'd fit in NO. I can say confidently that Redick wouldn't even get off the bench. Scott would have no choice but to play Hedo because this stupid trade ravaged all their depth.

edit: who really thinks Hedo would be averaging 18ppg if defenses weren't so concerned about collapsing on D12 and/or covering 'Shard? I could probably average 4apg in that system...its an easy one. Lob the ball into Dwight and watch him dunk.

I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying, but Wright and Hilton play 10 and 11 minutes respectively. They're barely a part of this team. Butler is solid but is having a terrible year. That's why I think you're 100% wrong in suggesting that this trade wouldn't make you better. You're essentially trading three non-impact player for one good player. It may not be the perfect fit, but he's right that in the present it'd be a talent upgrade for NO.

Just to clarify the OP is a Magic fan, not a Bulls fan.

I'm disagreeing with him. Anyone who thinks Hedo is a bad defender and doesn't get in the lane and to the basket has never even seen him play. Hedo would be a lightyears better starter at SG than MoPete, Hedo is a good, but not great defender and his ability to take people off the dribble is maybe his greatest strength.

bullzman23 wrote:I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying, but Wright and Hilton play 10 and 11 minutes respectively. They're barely apart of this team. Butler is solid but is having a terrible year. That's why I think you're 100% in suggesting that this trade wouldn't make you better. You're essentially trading three non-impact player for one good player. It may not be the perfect fit, but he's right that in the present it'd be a talent upgrade for NO.

Just to clarify the OP is a Magic fan, not a Bulls fan.

They'd be mortgaging all their young talent for a guy (Hedo), that doesn't have the kind of impact on a game that calls for such a move. Not to mention, he wouldn't really fit.

Hornets are primarily interested in a slashing 2/3 who can play solid D, and not at the expense of every one of their tradeable assets. Generally, Butler fills this role but he has been awful this year. Which is why the primary interest is moving Butler and/or Jackson + picks. They've displayed zero interest in moving their young guys.

Orlando says Heck no!!!!!

Have you seen Julian Wright shoot the ball???? Ugh!!!

If Orlando trades Turk to NO it would be something like

Turk/Battie/ Lotto Protected 08 pick

for

David West/Melvin Ely/Rasual


Nothing more..nothing less

LOL.

this thread just gets better.