MIN-MIL-PHO-CHI

enzino · Post #1 » by **enzino** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:03 pm

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TRADE IDEA 1

Milwaukee Bucks Outgoing Players
Dan Gadzuric
Charlie Villanueva
Charlie Bell
Milwaukee Bucks Incoming Players
Sebastian Telfair
Antoine Walker

Chicago Bulls Outgoing Players
Tyrus Thomas
Joe Smith
Ben Gordon
Joakim Noah
Chicago Bulls Incoming Players
Amare Stoudemire
Charlie Bell

Phoenix Suns Outgoing Players
Amare Stoudemire
Phoenix Suns Incoming Players
Tyrus Thomas
Theo Ratliff (expiring contract)
Corey Brewer (Obtained with a trade exception)
Joakim Noah (Obtained with a trade exception)

Minnesota Timberwolves Outgoing Players
Sebastian Telfair
Theo Ratliff
Antoine Walker
Corey Brewer
Minnesota Timberwolves Incoming Players
Dan Gadzuric
Joe Smith
Charlie Villanueva
Ben Gordon

shrink · Post #2 » by **shrink** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:14 pm

MIN says an easy no.

Ratliff can't be dealt without some expirings coming back. This deal not only doesn't have expirings, but Gadzuric's deal ends in 2011. Ben Gordon wouldn't stick around, and MIN is heavily invested in the swingmen they have. The Wolves have plenty of time to bring lottery pick Corey Brewer along slowly.

I looked at the MIL/MIN deal, and that's closer for MIN, even though Walker expires in 16 months. I just don't think they take Gadzuric without Jaric, exchanging deals of the same length.

If MIN was a part of the deal, they'd be looking for more rebuilding pieces. Perhaps Ben Gordon goes to win-now PHO, and one of those rookies comes back? I don't know .. I don't think MIN can swing this financially without a few expirings.

enzino · Post #3 » by **enzino** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:18 pm

shrink wrote:MIN says an easy no.

Ratliff can't be dealt without some expirings coming back. This deal not only doesn't have expirings, but Gadzuric's deal ends in 2011. Ben Gordon wouldn't stick around, and MIN is heavily invested in the swingmen they have. The Wolves have plenty of time to bring lottery pick Corey Brewer along slowly.

I looked at the MIL/MIN deal, and that's closer for MIN, even though Walker expires in 16 months. I just don't think they take Gadzuric without Jaric, exchanging deals of the same length.

If MIN was a part of the deal, they'd be looking for more rebuilding pieces. Perhaps Ben Gordon goes to win-now PHO, and one of those rookies comes back? I don't know .. I don't think MIN can swing this financially without a few expirings.

I did this trade idea from a Minny point of view; I'm not saing that the trade is in favour of wolves, but think about the potential starting five:

Gordon (Foye)
McCants (Foye)
Green (2009 pick, Gomes)
Villanueva (2009 pick, Gomes)
BigAl

Baddy Chuck · Post #4 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:23 pm

Bucks pass.

enzino · Post #5 » by **enzino** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:29 pm

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TRADE IDEA 2

Milwaukee Bucks Outgoing Players
Dan Gadzuric
Andrew Bogut
Charlie Bell
Milwaukee Bucks Incoming Players
Sebastian Telfair
Antoine Walker
switch with 2009 Min/Mil pick or Bos pick

Chicago Bulls Outgoing Players
Tyrus Thomas
Joe Smith
Ben Gordon
Joakim Noah
Chicago Bulls Incoming Players
Amare Stoudemire
Charlie Bell

Phoenix Suns Outgoing Players
Amare Stoudemire
Phoenix Suns Incoming Players
Tyrus Thomas
Theo Ratliff (expiring contract)
Corey Brewer (Obtained with a trade exception)
Joakim Noah (Obtained with a trade exception)

Minnesota Timberwolves Outgoing Players
Sebastian Telfair
Theo Ratliff
Antoine Walker
Corey Brewer
switch with 2009 Min/Mil pick or Bos pick
Minnesota Timberwolves Incoming Players
Dan Gadzuric
Joe Smith
Andrew Bogut
Ben Gordon

Stix · Post #6 » by **Stix** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:37 pm

Big N-O from the valley of the sun

enzino · Post #7 » by **enzino** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:45 pm

phungk wrote:Big N-O from the valley of the sun

sorry man.
PHO receives 3 top draft pick and the best actual expiring contract. Did Minny/Lakers get much once they traded Shaq or KG? I don't think so.
BTW, you could not agree on this trade, you could not agree on trading Amar

Whiteman · Post #8 » by **Whiteman** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:58 pm

Bogut has been playing good defense all season, and his low-post game is coming along as well now. I'm not sure if you included Charlie Bell as a player or as a bad contract, but he's been playing well lately and has positive trade value.

So the Bucks won't do this.

bucksbrewerspackersfan · Post #9 » by **bucksbrewerspackersfan** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:59 pm

Both deals that involve Milwaukee just remove us. Those are such horriable deals you have no idea how bad Herb Kohl would even laugh if you tried to swing those deals with him just really bad for Milwaukee I am trying to figure out the logic why would even consider this deal and I am still coming up blank... We don't need salary cap relief. On the basis who will sign with Milwaukee without having to overpay them? Also we are not getting rid of Bogut without at least getting a top draft pick in return. That does not mean swapping picks.

deeney0 · Post #10 » by **deeney0** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:13 pm

Wolves can't trade Theo in either and stay under the lux next season, so it's an obvious no. And I don't like the fit or value much either.

Post #11 » by **rsavaj** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:16 pm

A top 3 draft pick helps the Suns how, exactly, if they want to win while Nash still has some years left?

This is laughable for PHX.

Again: they didn't move Amare to obtain KEVIN GARNETT, so why would they move him for the package you offered?

They wouldn't, simple as that.

hermes · Post #12 » by **hermes** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:25 pm

no go for the bucks

BR0D1E86 · Post #13 » by **BR0D1E86** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:31 pm

I like it for the Bulls, I'd probably be persnickety and try to pull back Noah and offer a first or two but my guess is that if this was a deal in the first place that would be a dealbreaker.

EDIT: Meh, I don't know... I might demand it. Joe Smith is playing exceptional basketball for a flat 5 mil a year, Gordon is a very good scorer and I think Thomas' and Noah's value has been depressed around the league because they're buried behind old man Wallace's entitlement minutes despite the fact that they badly outplay him.

As constructed I think it would thin out the frontcourt too much...

PG:Bell/Duhon/Hinrich
SG:Hinrich/Sefalosha
SF:Deng/Nocioni
PF:Stoudemire/Nocioni
C:Wallace/Gray

Post #14 » by **revprodeji** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:32 pm

Minnesota turns down both without thinking twice.

Brewer is a rookie and his trade value is low, but his long range potential is more important to us

Theo angle has been talked about, but he cannot go for fiscal reasons

Gerald Green will never be a starter for the wolves

We will not trade our 1st this year

Friend_Of_Haley · Post #15 » by **Friend_Of_Haley** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:34 pm

As I read the Bulls side of it, I got through the outgoing players and was sure I was going to hate it. Then I saw who we got. I love it!

Seems like the other teams say a hell no though. meh.

Hinrich-Thabo-John Paxson-Scott Skiles-Chris Duhon
Bell-Thabo
Deng-Nocioni
Amare-Nocioni
Wallace-Gray

Actually if I could trade a pick instead of either Noah or Tyrus that would be great, but either way, Chicago loves this, obviously.

4ho5ive · Post #16 » by **4ho5ive** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:52 pm

Bulls are the only winners of this trade. This is ridiculous from MIN standpoint. Ben Gordon is a very streaky shooter and he is the only piece out of this deal that is young and enticing. N-O