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Nothing more than just playing around with a trade. I think it makes sense for all teams, but who knows.

NJ Trades:
Jason Collins
Nenad Krstic
Richard Jefferson
Sean Williams
Marcus Williams
Jamaal Magloire

NJ Recieves:
Jermaine O'Neal
Ron Artest
Jeff Foster

NJ Lineup:
Foster
JO
Artest
VC
Kidd

Why for NJ:
Gives them the best starting 5 in the NBA. Not only would they be a great offensive team, but have an incredible defensive team as well. This would make them contenders hands down, they would have the skill and maturity to win a Championship. It takes away some of their depth and youth, but they keep their first round pick to get a player, and it would be worth it if they won a Championship.

Sac Trades:
Ron Artest
Brad Miller

Sac Recieves:
Richard Jefferson
Nenad Kristic
Jamaal Magloire
1st Round Pick(Ind)

Sac Lineup:
Bibby
Martin
Salmons
Jefferson
Moore

Why for Sac:
Sacramento is in rebuild mode as it is, so they go small ball for this year. They get 2 shorter contracts and Richard Jefferson with a 1st round pick from a team likely to tank. They lose height, but with 2 high first round picks they can regain that. They build around Jefferson and Martin with their 2 first round picks. Kristic could also prove to be a good player when he gets healthy. They could also trade Salmons and get something nice that would better fit their future.

Ind Trades:
Jermaine O'Neal
Jeff Foster
1st Round Pick

Ind Receives:
Sean Williams
Brad Miller
Marcus Williams
Jason Collins

Ind Lineup:
Miller
Williams
Granger
Dunleavy
Tinsley

Why for Ind:
We probably get the worst deal in this trade considering we trade our first with it. But we do get 2 nice young players in the Williams', we also get Brad Miller back to finish his career in Indiana. As a team we have played better without JO this year, Williams could better play in the up-tempo offense, Miller is a combo of Murphy and Foster so thats an immediate upgrade. We also get a solid backup at every position in Williams, Rush, Williams, Diogu, and Murphy.

What do ya'll think? I just kinda threw this together for fun, but it seemed like it would work for every team. If it does not work for every team, is their changes that could make it work?

Jefferson cant play PF can he? Anyway, if I were to trade Ron to NJ, I'd be looking at SeanWilliam/fillers. Would NJ fans be opposed to that?

Rugged Ron Ron wrote:Jefferson cant play PF can he? Anyway, if I were to trade Ron to NJ, I'd be looking at SeanWilliam/fillers. Would NJ fans be opposed to that?

Pacers are getting Williams in this deal already.

Granger is playing PF for the Pacers, so maybe Jefferson could, if not you could just as easily bring Salmons off the bench. I figured the Kings would be the hardest to sell this deal to which is why I have them getting the Pacers first. I also added that the Kings could trade Salmons for a little height or a player that would better fit their future.

DGrangeRx33 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Pacers are getting Williams in this deal already.

Granger is playing PF for the Pacers, so maybe Jefferson could, if not you could just as easily bring Salmons off the bench. I figured the Kings would be the hardest to sell this deal to which is why I have them getting the Pacers first. I also added that the Kings could trade Salmons for a little height or a player that would better fit their future.

Im talking about just a trade between NJ/Sac involving S.Williams/Artest.

Rugged Ron Ron wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Im talking about just a trade between NJ/Sac involving S.Williams/Artest.

I'm not sure why they would do that since they need a post presence. But even so, could you post that trade in another thread please? Don't want to get off topic for this trade thread.

DGrangeRx33 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Pacers are getting Williams in this deal already.

Granger is playing PF for the Pacers, so maybe Jefferson could, if not you could just as easily bring Salmons off the bench. I figured the Kings would be the hardest to sell this deal to which is why I have them getting the Pacers first. I also added that the Kings could trade Salmons for a little height or a player that would better fit their future.

What's the point of making this trade though if they need to either:
a) Bench 1 of their more productive players
or
b) Make another trade

Trading Artest for another SF when the Kings already have Salmons AND Garcia makes absolutely no sense.

rpa wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



What's the point of making this trade though if they need to either:
a) Bench 1 of their more productive players
or
b) Make another trade

Trading Artest for another SF when the Kings already have Salmons AND Garcia makes absolutely no sense.

They also get a high first round pick to rebuild and Kristic when he comes back. Maybe the Pacers could throw in Diogu to the Kings instead of the 1st. Then they'd have:
Moore
Diogu
Jefferson
Martin
Bibby

With Salmons and Garcia playng SF/SG off the bench.

DGrangeRx33 wrote:They also get a high first round pick to rebuild and Kristic when he comes back.

Krstic is a complete unknown at this point AND he's a restricted free agent this summer. So that means the Kings are only going to have a couple months to evaluate a player before they'd have to decided whether or not to give him a longterm deal. Recipe for disaster right there.

As for the pick: given how dreadful the East is this year (well, every year for nearly the last decade) the Pacers could very well make it into the playoffs which makes the pick in the 15-19 range.

Still, the base why I don't think it's a good trade is if/when the Kings trade Artest 1 of the prime reasons they'd do so would be to open up time for Salmons & Garcia. Again, it makes no sense to trade Artest for a package CENTERED around a player who would take significant minutes away from Salmons & Garcia.

It's definitely not a bad deal for Sac. But if Sac were to trade both Miller/Artest now, I'd be looking at rebuilding pieces for the future. That's why I want S.Williams. Maybe Indy take Jefferson and give us S.Williams plus something good(not Murphy please.)

Also, the 1st pick would not still be that high with that new team. Kidd/VC/Ron/JO/Foster

Rugged Ron Ron wrote:It's definitely not a bad deal for Sac. But if Sac were to trade both Miller/Artest now, I'd be looking at rebuilding pieces for the future. That's why I want S.Williams. Maybe Indy take Jefferson and give us S.Williams plus something good(not Murphy please.)

Also, the 1st pick would not still be that high with that new team. Kidd/VC/Ron/JO/Foster

The pick would come from the Pacers. Also, if this trade did happen, we would lose JO and Foster for Miller and players who aren't ready to contribute. No matter how bad the East is, we wouldn't make the playoffs with that unless Granger became a 25 ppg scorer.

Also, the Pacers have even less need for Jefferson than the Kings do. But I do understand where ya'll are coming from. Maybe involve a 4th team, to send Jefferson to and height to the Kings? I don't know. Its starting to get to complicated.

DGrangeRx33 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



The pick would come from the Pacers. Also, if this trade did happen, we would lose JO and Foster for Miller and players who aren't ready to contribute. No matter how bad the East is, we wouldn't make the playoffs with that unless Granger became a 25 ppg scorer.

Also, the Pacers have even less need for Jefferson than the Kings do. But I do understand where ya'll are coming from. Maybe involve a 4th team, to send Jefferson to and height to the Kings? I don't know. Its starting to get to complicated.

Oops! I didnt noticed the pick was from Indy. But yea, Kings would want a big men back for Artest, not another SF to take Salmons minutes.

No, thats ridiculous. The Nets currently have 13 players, 1 being Krstic who has been out forever. So we give up like our whole team, to have a good starting lineup but no bench whatsoever. I'll pass. Plus Jermaine is hurt. Pretty ridiculous of a trade.

The value isn't terrible, but it's just really, really not what the Kings need. Not only is Krstic a big question mark right now, but he's really similar to Hawes.

And like others have said, we have no need at all for Jefferson.

NEVER.. The Pacers couldn't get a worse deal if they tried.

kidd0701 wrote:No, thats ridiculous. The Nets currently have 13 players, 1 being Krstic who has been out forever. So we give up like our whole team, to have a good starting lineup but no bench whatsoever. I'll pass. Plus Jermaine is hurt. Pretty ridiculous of a trade.

Boston seems to be doing well without one.

Rugged Ron Ron wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Im talking about just a trade between NJ/Sac involving S.Williams/Artest.

Good luck with that...

I revised it a little, lets see what everyone thinks about this.

NJ Trades:
Richard Jefferson
Josh Boone
Marcus Williams
Jamaal Magloire
Jason Collins
Nenad Kristic

NJ Recieves:
Jermaine O'Neal
Ron Artest
Jeff Foster

Tor Trades:
Andrea Bargnani
Juan Dixon
Maceo Baston
Jason Kapono
Rasho Nesterovic
1st Round Pick

Tor Recieves:
Richard Jefferson
Marquis Daniels
Josh Boone

Sac Trades:
Brad Miller
Ron Artest

Sac Recieves:
Andrea Bargnani
Jason Collins
Nenad Kristic
Rasho Nesterovic

Ind Trades:
Jermaine O'Neal
Jeff Foster
Marquis Daniels

Ind Recieves:
1st Round Pick(Tor)
Marcus Williams
Juan Dixon
Brad Miller
Jason Kapono
Jamaal Magloire
Maceo Baston

Why for NJ: They get the best starting 5 in the NBA. They keep Sean Williams for their future, have a few bench players left who can produce. As someone else said Boston doesn't have much of a bench and they are fine. This starting lineup would clearly be better than Bostons.

Why for Tor: They get Jefferson to go with their young PG's and Bosh. He would be a perfect complimentary wing player to Bosh. They also get Josh Boone to take the place of Bargnani, and Daniels who is one of the best bench players in the NBA. They lose a 1st, but it would be a very late pick.

Why for Sac: They get a young big guy(Bargnani) and provide the playing time for Salmons that they want. They get an expiring in Rasho. They also get Kristic when he comes back, expiring if they don't want him. Jason Collins is another big man for them.

Why for Ind: We get Brad Miller back to finish his career. We get Kapono who would fit in well with our 3 point offense. We also get a 1st round pick(even though it will be late) and a nice backup PG to Tinsley.

What do ya'll think?

Still no for the Pacers. We take on too many players and if we are going to get beat in a trade we need to dump Tinsley in the process.

bballpacen wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Good luck with that...

Actually, that was possible but IIRC it was a 3 way deal...Which everyone BENEFITED....

jeremy1215 wrote:Still no for the Pacers. We take on too many players and if we are going to get beat in a trade we need to dump Tinsley in the process.

Dixon and Magloire expire after this season. Miller, Kapono, and Williams would all play in our offense. Baston did nice for us in his limited minutes last year, we tried to resign him, and he plays well in up-tempo offense so he wouldn't be a problem for 2 years. Plus we get another first to help rebuild around.

Not to mention we save about 6 million next year.